They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

[Jdurg]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

This is one of the unwritten rules that is just dumb. Bunting is part of the game, so why can't someone try to bunt for a hit. Thats like saying if you have a perfect game going then the other team just shouldn't hit anymore because they might break it up. If you are going to cry about a guy trying to bunt for a hit on a losing team, maybe you should stop crying and work on your bunt defense.

What makes a no hitter or perfect game so special is that a guy has to earn it.

So if a guy who never bunts, ever, decides to to up and bunt for the sole purpose or wrecking a no-hitter/perfect game and no other reason, you have no issue with it?

If it's a guy who regularly bunts and does so as part of his game, then I see nothing wrong with it. It's when players go out of what they normally do just to break up the no-no that I think it's cheap and unsportsmanlike. If you are okay with someone breaking up a no-no with a bunt, then you should also have no problem with a base-runner yelling "I GOT IT!" as he runs by a fielder going after a pop-up?

[countryboy]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

So if a guy who never bunts, ever, decides to to up and bunt for the sole purpose or wrecking a no-hitter/perfect game and no other reason, you have no issue with it?

What if this guy bunts in the 7th and breaks up the no-no or perfecto...is it still cheap and unsportsmanlike? At what inning do we deem an act as unsportsmanlike?

Baseball is a game where you run out of opportunities. Its the offense's job to make the most of their opportunities, and its the defense's job to eliminate those possibilities. This shouldn't change in a particular inning just to preserve a feat that should be earned.

[major major]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

I'm sure this has been brought up, but if ur in the 7th innings or later and your within 1 or 2 runs. Then by all means bunt, but if your down by 4 or more runs it becomes questionable and or gray.

We actually had this happen two years ago. It was the 8th inning and one of our guys bunted (on his own) and we were down by 6 or 7 runs. Needles to say most of us on the team were not happy about his rogue decision to break up this guys NO NO. He actually brought up "I play old school" and he's a pitcher himself. I know if he were that pitcher, he would have been crying and bitching!

[countryboy]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

I'm sure this has been brought up, but if ur in the 7th innings or later and your within 1 or 2 runs. Then by all means bunt, but if your down by 4 or more runs it becomes questionable and or gray.

I don't understand why it suddenly becomes questionable with a 4 runs or more deficit in the 7th or past. Why stop playing the game? You are given 27 outs, you should make the most of them. Its not uncommon to put crooked numbers up on the scoreboard for any given inning.

Say you're down by 5 in the 7th. 2 runs in the 7th, 8th, and 9th, and you win.

I certainly appreciate the other side of this argument, but for me, its falls into the category of conceding a loss or a no-no or perfecto. You never run out of time in baseball, but rather opportunities.

[major major]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

I don't understand why it suddenly becomes questionable with a 4 runs or more deficit in the 7th or past. Why stop playing the game? You are given 27 outs, you should make the most of them. Its not uncommon to put crooked numbers up on the scoreboard for any given inning.

Say you're down by 5 in the 7th. 2 runs in the 7th, 8th, and 9th, and you win.

I certainly appreciate the other side of this argument, but for me, its falls into the category of conceding a loss or a no-no or perfecto. You never run out of time in baseball, but rather opportunities.

True and I also appreciate and respect those who are in your camp. For me it really comes to how the game is playing out.

I guess I look at like this. If we have had 18 outs and we cant touch this guy and were down by 6 runs going into the 7th. One man bunting and starting some sort of rally seems a bit of a stretch. But as i said, I do see in some situations where I would be in your mind set.

[Jdurg]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

I don't understand why it suddenly becomes questionable with a 4 runs or more deficit in the 7th or past. Why stop playing the game? You are given 27 outs, you should make the most of them. Its not uncommon to put crooked numbers up on the scoreboard for any given inning.

Say you're down by 5 in the 7th. 2 runs in the 7th, 8th, and 9th, and you win.

I certainly appreciate the other side of this argument, but for me, its falls into the category of conceding a loss or a no-no or perfecto. You never run out of time in baseball, but rather opportunities.

But would you do that if there wasn't a no-hitter going on? If the opposing pitcher was pitching a normal game, would you have your team start laying down bunts in the 7th or 8th inning? THAT is what I have issues with. When teams/players do things that are not normal and not typical for them JUST to break up the no-hitter. Not to win the game, but to prevent the other guy from accomplishing something. THAT is cheap and dirty, and if I were the pitcher who lost a no-no or perfecto because some guy who never bunts in his life decided to try and bunt, I'd drill him in the head each and every time he comes to bat. I could care less about fines/suspensions.

[major major]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

But would you do that if there wasn't a no-hitter going on? If the opposing pitcher was pitching a normal game, would you have your team start laying down bunts in the 7th or 8th inning? THAT is what I have issues with. When teams/players do things that are not normal and not typical for them JUST to break up the no-hitter. Not to win the game, but to prevent the other guy from accomplishing something. THAT is cheap and dirty, and if I were the pitcher who lost a no-no or perfecto because some guy who never bunts in his life decided to try and bunt, I'd drill him in the head each and every time he comes to bat. I could care less about fines/suspensions.

Head hunting is cheap and dirty as well. Go for a knee, painfull and sends a message u still have full control of ur self and the game.

[countryboy]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

But would you do that if there wasn't a no-hitter going on? If the opposing pitcher was pitching a normal game, would you have your team start laying down bunts in the 7th or 8th inning? THAT is what I have issues with. When teams/players do things that are not normal and not typical for them JUST to break up the no-hitter. Not to win the game, but to prevent the other guy from accomplishing something. THAT is cheap and dirty, and if I were the pitcher who lost a no-no or perfecto because some guy who never bunts in his life decided to try and bunt, I'd drill him in the head each and every time he comes to bat. I could care less about fines/suspensions.

to try and win the game....yes. Lets say its a 3-0 lead in the 8th, nothing on the line other than a win/loss, and a guy that doesn't normally lay down bunts, does so in order to try and start a rally. Is that a cheap and dirty tactic?

Drawing lines and stating that aspects of the game are unavailable simply because a pitcher is attempting to record a no-hitter or perfect game is something that I think is ridiculous. I don't like the idea of taking an aspect of the game away from the offense simply because the pitcher is working on a no-no/perfecto. You play the game. You make the most of your opportunities.

[wyrm187]

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Country I think that you should play to win in every game, the unwritten rules of the game are more about showing respect to the other team and winning with class.

When were talking about running up the score - what I'm referring to is hit and running, bunting and stealing when your're up 10 runs on a club (btw every club has their own magic # that they feel disrepected at). I'm not talking about letting up . . ..if you are continuing to pound the team straight up then you are just simply beating them.

Disprect can come in many forms - the long pause and stare at a bomb you just hit is one of them, that would've gotten you drilled back in the day no questions asked, the pitcher has a job to do and if you beat him - act like you've done it 1000 times before and get on your horse.

Bunting to break up the no-no in a tight game I think is fine. I think when the game is out of reach bunting to break it up for the sake of breaking it up is just cheap and should be punished.

BTW guys in the book I referred to one of the most disrespectful things you can do in baseball is juice .. . kinda shows you where the game has gone

[countryboy]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

Bunting to break up the no-no in a tight game I think is fine. I think when the game is out of reach bunting to break it up for the sake of breaking it up is just cheap and should be punished.

when is a game determined to be "out of reach"?

[wyrm187]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

Head hunting is cheap and dirty as well. Go for a knee, painfull and sends a message u still have full control of ur self and the game.

yeah headhunting is straight up dirty - sad thing is most guys these days are not taught how to go inside and establish the inside part of the plate as theirs - I think that's why you some bean balls, they just arent comfortable doing it

[wyrm187]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

when is a game determined to be "out of reach"?

that is up to each club to decide - for most clubs it used to be around 6 runs .And from what the book says - since offenses are so explosive now a days it can be a double digit lead

I'm not trying to argue with you cause I understand you don't care for these unwritten rules - but they are in the game whether we like them or not - that's why I posted on the thread , the show is so realistic I'd like to see it addressed these more , that's all

[Reaman]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

to try and win the game....yes. Lets say its a 3-0 lead in the 8th, nothing on the line other than a win/loss, and a guy that doesn't normally lay down bunts, does so in order to try and start a rally. Is that a cheap and dirty tactic?

Drawing lines and stating that aspects of the game are unavailable simply because a pitcher is attempting to record a no-hitter or perfect game is something that I think is ridiculous. I don't like the idea of taking an aspect of the game away from the offense simply because the pitcher is working on a no-no/perfecto. You play the game. You make the most of your opportunities.

Exactly! You can't just take away a certain aspect of the offense just because you're throwing a perfect game or a no-no. It is the hitters job to get on base anyway he can.

[countryboy]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

that is up to each club to decide - for most clubs it used to be around 6 runs .And from what the book says - since offenses are so explosive now a days it can be a double digit lead

So something that is up for each club to decide, then how does one determine the intent of a batter, should he choose to bunt in the latter innings when trailing and a no-no being tossed against him?

And I don't view this as arguing, but rather discussing various points of view. I'm only asking these questions to help understand the idea of bunting being a "cheap and dirty" tactic.

[wyrm187]

Re: They obviously didn't include the unwritten rules in this game...

So something that is up for each club to decide, then how does one determine the intent of a batter, should he choose to bunt in the latter innings when trailing and a no-no being tossed against him?

And I don't view this as arguing, but rather discussing various points of view. I'm only asking these questions to help understand the idea of bunting being a "cheap and dirty" tactic.

fair enough, the intent would be interpreted by the opposing manager- if he decides that he is being shown up then he retaliates and not necessarily the same game. It is obviosuly not wise to start drilling guys in a tight ball game.

Again I understand where you are coming from and by your second quote I'm guessing you are a pretty honorable and proud guy. And that's really all were talking about here is respect

So let me ask you something - if you were up 25-0 in the ninth inning and had a no hitter going - would you be ok that a guy tries to get a cheap hit off you with a bunt? Because really what other intention can he have at that point?