Fielding Rating Question

[TribeFan80]

I had a question on how the game tells the difference between a good SS and good CF. There is only one “Fielding” Rating and one “Range” rating. Just because a player is a great outfielder obviously does not mean he is a great SS. How does the game differentiate a good infielder from outfielder when the player is played out of position?

For example Grady Sizemore has a good fielding and range rating. What if I put him at SS. Would he be a good SS? I know the player has a primary and secondary position, but do these influence his “Fielding” and “Range” ratings when he plays out of position?
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I feel the fielding ratings should be more specific to the primary position the player plays.

[x1Blumpkin1x]

Re: Fielding Rating Question

I would imagine the fielding ratings take a hit when you are not in the primary position. Secondary positions take less of a hit than a position not listed at all for the player.

[TribeFan80]

Re: Fielding Rating Question

I would imagine the fielding ratings take a hit when you are not in the primary position. Secondary positions take less of a hit than a position not listed at all for the player.

Yeah your probably correct. I wonder if the ratings hit is the same for all players. Manny Ramirez playing SS would be much worse than Jeter playing CF.

I think they should have an IF Field rating and an OF Field rating.

[theotherguy619]

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I was just thinking about this last night. It would be nice if ratings took a hit if they are playing out of position. I'll check it out.

[theotherguy619]

Re: Fielding Rating Question

ok, I started a game with the Braves and this was my lineup:

3B Nate McClouth
2B Kelly Johnson
CF Chipper Jones
RF Brian McCann
SS Garret Anderson
LF Yunel Escobar
1B Adam LaRoche
C Ryan Church


The first thing I did was go into the Defensive Substitution menu, and it does not look like anything changed (fielding, throwing accuracy).

Second, I played for a few outs to see if there was a difference. McClouth got a ground ball at third, fielded and threw no problem. McCann tracked a ball down in RF over his shoulder and rifled it in with ease. LaRoche got a grounder at first, but he plays first so no suprise there.

Third and final, I switched teams over to the Rockies and let the CPU play as the Braves. When the Braves took the field after the first inning was over, here are the changes the Braves made:

Omar Infante for Nate McClouth at 3B
Jordan Schaefer for Chipper Jones in CF
David Ross for Ryan Church at C

They left McCann in RF, Anderson at SS, and Escobar in LF. I guess the CPU felt those position were less liable, and/or they needed subs for the later innings.

I'm assuming the CPU switched those players for players who actually play the position because they were a defensive liability. It would be nice if there was a way no know that, for example, Chipper Jones in a liability in CF.

[TribeFan80]

Re: Fielding Rating Question

otherguy - Thanks for the effort. I think the cpu just changes the players because the built in logic tells the cpu to put players at their primary positions.
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I bet you could play a whole game with guys way out of position and not really be penalized a whole lot.<O</O

[theotherguy619]

Re: Fielding Rating Question

Yeah, it sucks in a way. It makes us use self-discipline to not put people like Grady Sizemore at SS. But at the same time, the CPU would never put Grady Sizemore at SS so it's not a big deal to me.

[Chai2112]

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Yah, I really wish they did something about this as well. The only one that it works with is if you put a non-catcher at the catcher position, because of the blocking attribute. In other words, if you play Manny as catcher, there will be a lot more balls getting by him, but only because his blocking attribute is at zero.

[jim416]

Re: Fielding Rating Question

If you put a catcher who has great catcher fielding attributes into CF he will have those same attributes to and it will appear that he's a really good CF. Take the names out of the game. Same as lineup logic, if you didn't know it was Matt Holiday (this is a separate issue/lineups sticking) you wouldn't, for example, have a problem with the lineup logic putting him in the number 2 slot. This is programmed this way for guys who go deep into franchises and have fake players who come along.

There would be no way they could program attributes base on name recognition, and it really is unnecessary to spend dev time coming up with some coding that would recognize when you put a catcher, or other fielder in a position he doesn't play. I realize that might happen rarely in real baseball, but they're not going to focus on something like this with other issues to be addressed.

It's complicated and probably not something they would think people do.

[TribeFan80]

Re: Fielding Rating Question

Jim - I think all they would need to do would be to expand the "Fielding" rating to give players IF ratings and OF ratings (also with the range ratings)

[bhurst99]

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Players should take a substantial hit to their fielding rating when they are not playing their primary or secondary position. I don't know if that's the case or not with The Show as that's not something I've ever looked at. I always thought that was likely the case but that it just didn't show up as a change to the players ratings. For example if a player who is a first basemen who is 80 fielding at first is put by the user at shortstop. I would assume that the game would penalize his rating like -50 to 30 for playing out of the position when resolving fielding chances but that it wouldn't necessarily show up in his ratings in the menu. It would be something that would be done under the hood so to speak.

Again I have no idea if this is the case. I just assumed there was a penalty for players playing out of position.

[tessl]

Re: Fielding Rating Question

If you put a catcher who has great catcher fielding attributes into CF he will have those same attributes to and it will appear that he's a really good CF. Take the names out of the game. Same as lineup logic, if you didn't know it was Matt Holiday (this is a separate issue/lineups sticking) you wouldn't, for example, have a problem with the lineup logic putting him in the number 2 slot. This is programmed this way for guys who go deep into franchises and have fake players who come along.

There would be no way they could program attributes base on name recognition, and it really is unnecessary to spend dev time coming up with some coding that would recognize when you put a catcher, or other fielder in a position he doesn't play. I realize that might happen rarely in real baseball, but they're not going to focus on something like this with other issues to be addressed.

It's complicated and probably not something they would think people do.

It doesn't seem that complicated to me to write some code where the computer checks to see if a player is at a primary or secondary position and the penalize him with a reduction in attributes if he is out of position.

A decent programmer should be able to do that without much trouble.

[jim416]

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Well, I think they prioritize and I remember someone posting, awhile back, how they we upset because they put Jason Varitek in CF and he was as good as the regular CFer. Answer.....don't put Varitek in CF.

I don't think the devs, with all they are trying to accomplish, look at a game decision like this move and put it on their priority list.

We seem to want everything imaginable in the game and that just can't happen.

[cardsfan2222]

Re: Fielding Rating Question

I think I remember reading somewhere that putting players in the secondary position gave like a 10% hit to their fielding ratings, and 50% if they were out of position. I'll see if I can find where I read that.

Edit: Found it. Russell's response is about halfway down the page in this thread:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...positions.html

[TribeFan80]

Re: Fielding Rating Question

Well, I think they prioritize and I remember someone posting, awhile back, how they we upset because they put Jason Varitek in CF and he was as good as the regular CFer. Answer.....don't put Varitek in CF.

I don't think the devs, with all they are trying to accomplish, look at a game decision like this move and put it on their priority list.

We seem to want everything imaginable in the game and that just can't happen.

Relax man, it’s just constructive criticism. It seems like everyone of your posts is related to defending the developers. I think they would welcome people pointing out items they like and dislike about their product.