Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

[Lisa_Bonami]

The reason I ask is because I was wondering how the engine determined HRs...Do actual ballpark dimmensions play a role in determining the outcome of a hit fly ball? For example, A 420 blast to dead center in the Polo Grounds will be just a deep out but if the engine uses real physics to determine contact or does the game determine this ball is going to leave the ball park regardless of the parks dimensions like I've noticed in some other baseball games.


Im hoping it takes into account real contact physics so ball park dimensions can actually play a role

[Russell_SCEA]

Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

The reason I ask is because I was wondering how the engine determined HRs...Do actual ballpark dimmensions play a role in determining the outcome of a hit fly ball? For example, A 420 blast to dead center in the Polo Grounds will be just a deep out but if the engine uses real physics to determine contact or does the game determine this ball is going to leave the ball park regardless of the parks dimensions like I've noticed in some other baseball games.


Im hoping it takes into account real contact physics so ball park dimensions can actually play a role

Our physics engine doesn't determine home run distances it determines how far a ball is hit and where.

[Lisa_Bonami]

Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

fantastic...thanks for the quick response!


However, one quick question......how does this tie in with the game engine's cinematic HR cut scenes on deep blasts that automatically trigger right on contact?

Is it calculating distance, location versus ball park dimensions

And if so, what about wind and how that would affect potential would be HRs that actually might now stay in the park?

[furius]

Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

However, one quick question......how does this tie in with the game engine's cinematic HR cut scenes on deep blasts that automatically trigger right on contact?

Is it calculating distance, location versus ball park dimensions

And if so, what about wind and how that would affect potential would be HRs that actually might now stay in the park?

Since the game calculates distance and location (with the wind variable) it would follow that all this is done the moment the ball is hit (if you can hit ) so the game would know when to play a cutscene or follow the ball as I'm assuming it would in Real-time Play mode.
The stadium dimensions probably are part of the calculations otherwise our community day buddies would have seen something wrong when Pared was cranking out the homers.

[Brian SCEA]

Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

fantastic...thanks for the quick response!

However, one quick question......how does this tie in with the game engine's cinematic HR cut scenes on deep blasts that automatically trigger right on contact?

Is it calculating distance, location versus ball park dimensions

And if so, what about wind and how that would affect potential would be HRs that actually might now stay in the park?

Contact determines the direction and velocity of the ball, as well as ball spin. Wind is also known on any given hit. Given this info, it's possible to predict where the ball will land before it lands. You could even predict the entire ball path ahead of time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajectory_of_a_projectile

Once the landing point or ball path is known, you can simply compare that against the stadium.

The ballpark dimension definitely affects home run chances, as the hitting system has no concept of home runs. When we tested various teams and stadiums, Yankee stadium produced way more home runs than other stadiums. We don't take for granted that things will work out the same as real life, but it's a good sign when it does.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

Contact determines the direction and velocity of the ball, as well as ball spin. Wind is also known on any given hit. Given this info, it's possible to predict where the ball will land before it lands. You could even predict the entire ball path ahead of time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajectory_of_a_projectile

Once the landing point or ball path is known, you can simply compare that against the stadium.

The ballpark dimension definitely affects home run chances, as the hitting system has no concept of home runs. When we tested various teams and stadiums, Yankee stadium produced way more home runs than other stadiums. We don't take for granted that things will work out the same as real life, but it's a good sign when it does.

Awesome bit of information. I would love for a behind the scenes dev doc. on the disc for The Show. Hehe.

[TribeFan80]

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Thanks Brian.

Does the ball travel farther in Coors Field due to the thinner air? I know my geek meter is pegging, but I was wondering if you guys put in air resistance in your equations.

[Lisa_Bonami]

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Russel and Brian...thanks for the in depth explanation. I am very happy about this and excited!


I'm hoping in addition to this, the defensive attributes and distinctions of each of the players plays more of a dynamic role in the fielding moreso than it did last year.

[cardsleadtheway]

Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

Thanks Brian.

Does the ball travel farther in Coors Field due to the thinner air? I know my geek meter is pegging, but I was wondering if you guys put in air resistance in your equations.

As well as the opposite happening in Oakland.

[Brian SCEA]

Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

Thanks Brian.

Does the ball travel farther in Coors Field due to the thinner air? I know my geek meter is pegging, but I was wondering if you guys put in air resistance in your equations.

This does happen in high altitude stadiums like Coors, and the open desert stadiums in the minors (Turbine, Flagstone, etc..). The opposite effect isn't as big as this in sea level / cold stadiums.

[jetercanoturn2]

Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

This does happen in high altitude stadiums like Coors, and the open desert stadiums in the minors (Turbine, Flagstone, etc..). The opposite effect isn't as big as this in sea level / cold stadiums.

That's awesome you guys take this into account.

[green94]

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Thanks Brian.
I know my geek meter is pegging

LMAO... awesome!

[Brian SCEA]

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One other thing you can see when in these stadiums is your pitch breaks are slightly lower. Your pitch speeds are slightly higher. This is visible in the pitch break indicator in 1P games.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Does The Show PREDETERMINE HRs or DISTANCE on ball contact?

One other thing you can see when in these stadiums is your pitch breaks are slightly lower. Your pitch speeds are slightly higher. This is visible in the pitch break indicator in 1P games.

That is really awesome. Some sick detail. If it's in the game, it's in this game.

[cardsleadtheway]

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Unbelievable!