MLB '10: The Show Official Team Ratings and Explanation

[mellamoaaron]

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I'm a Mets fan, and even I think the Marlins got royally screwed. Not that our division is that great, but that's a damn joke. I even have the Marlins finishing above us, due to how horrid our starting pitching is, sans Johan.

[huggerorange73]

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Thornton's better.

This is a fact

[douggoud]

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Shields is not the best set up man.. typical Angels fan btw.. Dodgers have the one of the top 2 bullpens, and the Angels lost their best starter.. Rotations are close but LA's bullpen is above and beyond the Helos.. Ratings are perfect..

really? seeing as other than 09, he's led the majors in holds the last 3 or 4 years, doesnt make him one of the best? yeah, i totally see that, even if the angels lost their best starter, they picked up pinero, who had 14 wins last year i believe, and playing for a team that is good with its defence, being a ground ball pitcher, can improve that total (not so sure about wood, but eybar is a future gold glover IMO, andizturis isnt bad either, and howie is above average to average, and kendry is a great first baseman, made losing tex sting alot less) rotations are not close, the angels exceed the dodgers by far, as well does their bullpen, hell, the dodgers dont even know who the hell their 5th starter is for 2010, other than sherrell and broxten, who do you guys have? gillermo mota is gone, all you guys have is kuo, sherill (a good pitcher that should be a closer on another team, not a setup man for the dodgers), and broxton, the angels have shields, rodney (a proven closer) fuentes (given the amount of blown saves, he's just like franky, but he gets the job done), and jepsen, shields IMO is better than kuo or sherrill, maybe even broxton, the only reason broxton is good is because of his fastball (same for jepsen) shields has his 2-seamer, 93 4-seamer, and a nasty change-up, and so does rodney, shure i'm more on one side, but you know what, any way you look at it, were have the dodgers setup men been in terms of holds the last few years? besides, ratings are overrated

also, broxten blew 6 saves last year, and fuentes blew 7, fuentes got 48, broxten got 36, so if you wanna compare them, go ahead,

lastly, i'm not trying to turn this into some sort of fight or flame war, i'm mad at the ratings (and the fact that you insult my opinion)

[skynyrdchief]

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Omfg cards rating are a joke, they have 2 cy youngesqe pitchers and a lineup with The Machine, Holliday, Luddy and are 16th! Ridiculous , Doesnt really matter I will play with them exclusively and beat the crap out of the cubs everyday because it brings me joy lol.

[ParisB]

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Shields is not the best set up man.. typical Angels fan btw.. Dodgers have the one of the top 2 bullpens, and the Angels lost their best starter.. Rotations are close but LA's bullpen is above and beyond the Helos.. Ratings are perfect..

lol

is this a serious post?

[Jdurg]

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Don't forget that in Russel's posts, he mentioned that the ratings they used for ranking are not only based on the previous three years, but that last year's stats play a larger part in those ratings. As a result, if players had an unusually great year last year it will result in a higher ranking for the team they are now on. Some things that just can't be mathematically calculated are team chemistry, injury recovery, etc. Plus, I don't believe they used team-vs-team ratings or player versus pitchers they are likely to see ratings. These are all based upon the players' overall stats from the past years (with last year being weighted more) in a "bubble" of sort. So if a certain team tends to play VERY well against another team historically, it doesn't mean that they would be ranked higher because those team-vs-team stats don't really count.

So for those who are wondering why x-team is ranked above y-team, take a look at all of the players on the team and what their actual stats were last year. Don't go into it using a "well so-and-so was injured so his stats will be better this year" mentality since that really means nothing. If the Yankees still had Chien Ming-Wang on their roster, their pitching stats would be far worse because he got lit up while pitching hurt in the begginning of last year. Same thing with Dice-K. His performance while injured hurt his statistics last year which play a big role in the Sox' ranking this year. I think if we were to go to BaseballReference.com and get the stats from the past few years for all players on the rosters, then perform similar calculations to what I'm guessing SCEA used, we'd see the same rankings.

An example is the Indians roster. They are ranked last because last year, the players who are on the SCEA roster didn't have any really good seasons. Yes you have Hafner back, but what stats did he put up last year? Those are the ones that count the most, hence why they are ranked low. Why are the Yankees' pitching ranked 1st? Well, Sabbathia, Burnett, Pettite and Vazquez had great years last year. Also, Rivera, Hughes, Chamberlin, Aceves, Robertson, etc. had good/great years as well. So those good numbers combine to give the Yankees a high pitching rating. With the Mets, I believe that the fielders they did add, and those who are not injured this year, have better defensive numbers than we first think, so they are ranked up there defensively.

I like these rankings and especially the way they are figured out. Of course, the things that really play into how good a team is just can't be figured out on paper, hence why they play the game. Pitchers and catchers reported today, so spring training has begun.

[douggoud]

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lol

is this a serious post?

i know, right?

[douggoud]

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I like these rankings and especially the way they are figured out. Of course, the things that really play into how good a team is just can't be figured out on paper, hence why they play the game. Pitchers and catchers reported today, so spring training has begun.

of course you do, your team is ranked #1 (like it is every year....)

[SwinginAs12]

23rd woooooooot

[BatsareBugs]

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I think these ratings are fair, of course they're a comparison of one team to the rest of the league.

The Padres defense at 30, a little lower than I expected, but understandable when you have Matt Stairs on the bench and players who are definitely question marks at certain positions (Headley going back to third, Blanks in LF, Gwynn, Eckstein, E-Cab).

It's funny, goes to show that even having a gold glove first basemen, you can still find yourself in the bottom of league in terms of ratings if the other guys are chopped liver.

[ATLNYankee]

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I have no idea how the White Sox pitching is not in the top 3. I'll take Peavy, Buehrle, Floyd, and Danks over any rotation in baseball except for Boston/Yankees.

EFA. CC, AJ, Andy Pettitte, Javier Vazquez, Joba, Hughes, Rivera, Marte and Aceves say hello.

For those crying about the Marlins. Marlins had 4 starters last year with an era close to 5 or higher. The closer had an era of 4. That isn't very good pitching in the NL East. That is the only explanation I can think of.

Too many cry babies and bias in this thread. Cardinals are ranked low because even though the top is great they have zero depth. They also play in the worst division in baseball.

[BatsareBugs]

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EFA. CC, AJ, Andy Pettitte, Javier Vazquez, Joba, Hughes, Rivera, Marte and Aceves say hello.

Too many cry babies and bias in this thread. Cardinals are ranked low because even though the top is great they have zero depth. They also play in the worst division in baseball.

His post included that he'd take the White Sox rotation over any team except the Red Sox and Yankees, so there is no need for the Yankees rotation to say hello to him when he's already acknowledged that fact.

Edit: Here is an example of jumping the gun and not reading all the posts!

[Sting]

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Atlanta got LOVE

[ATLNYankee]

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His post included that he'd take the White Sox rotation over any team except the Red Sox and Yankees, so there is no need for the Yankees rotation to say hello to him when he's already acknowledged that fact.

No, I put the Yankees into his original thread when I quoted it. That is why I put EFA edited for accuracy.

[B_rad13]

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Seriously the Blow Jays are ranked 15? And the of course the marlins should be higher.