MLB 10: The Speculation

[kehlis]

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I disagree. This is the type of stuff a marketing consultant would consider. I should know, one of my friends is one and he discusses these issues all the time.

Which is why I conceded it is well thought out and makes sense. I never said his thought process didn't make sense


My opinion though is that in this case, he is reading too much into it.

[VitaminKG21]

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Who said Dodger fans and Giants fans couldn't get along

We still hate you.

Seriously though, I have to second that, it was a great post.

[dgrfan]

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I'm just curious to see how the game will be reviewed considering there's not a number of BIG improvements. But of course what counts as such an improvement is subjective and what's considered to be substantial improvements to long-time fans and casual fans differ. Either way I suppose only time will tell.

While I agree on the nature of subjectivity, improvements can be measured, they are not subjective. For example, graphics get better, gameplay gets better, it is easy to tell.

I appreciate you trying to be indifferent in this post, but it sounds like you have a preconceived notion of the final product.

How do you know the actual number of improvements and whether or not they are "big". I guess for arguments sake, the subjectivity comes into play with the term "big", and your definition of it. I think this statement is presumptuous without at least having played the game.

As I stated before, when members of this site and forum, with the highest pedigree no less, have actually played the game and have said they will never play MLB 09 again, that is significant.

Please, I am not trying to single you out, its just that this is exactly what I was describing in my earlier post. I think it is absurd to make assumptions like this when we haven't played a single inning.

[badmrfrosty7]

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While I agree on the nature of subjectivity, improvements can be measured, they are not subjective. For example, graphics get better, gameplay gets better, it is easy to tell.

I appreciate you trying to be indifferent in this post, but it sounds like you have a preconceived notion of the final product.

How do you know the actual number of improvements and whether or not they are "big". I guess for arguments sake, the subjectivity comes into play with the term "big", and your definition of it. I think this statement is presumptuous without at least having played the game.

As I stated before, when members of this site and forum, with the highest pedigree no less, have actually played the game and have said they will never play MLB 09 again, that is significant.

Please, I am not trying to single you out, its just that this is exactly what I was describing in my earlier post. I think it is absurd to make assumptions like this when we haven't played a single inning.

I'm stating the opinion of those that don't believe it's so easy to tell that the gameplay does get better, as explained in the quote I used from a GI preview that Russell made his case on. Subjectivity plays a large part of that as well so I don't believe it's fair to say that it's an easy thing to notice. Maybe to fans of the series.

Honestly though I'm just theorizing (overtheorizing to some), most everyone's made their decision on whether they're getting this game on this site, and most will defend it to the death which is fine. I just have a feeling that OS's expectations and general videogame reviewer expectations are vastly different. Least that's been my impression which like I said, I'm interested to see how the next few weeks go concerning the reviews and how SCEA chooses to market the game. I'm not saying I don't believe the additions made aren't big enough, I'm begging the question as to how it may be perceived by casual gamers or reviewers.

My preconceived notion was made apparent in my first post, the game will be solid, people will enjoy it. However I still enjoy speculating on how it may be received and possible marketing methods being used by SCEA. I believe people should feel safe to do the same rather then feel as though by doing so they are being disloyal to the product or producer in any way. Creating these types of questions doesn't necessarily mean you are against the final product.

[ps2baseball]

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OS mods - whenever somebody creates a demo thread, you lock it up and link them to "MLB '10: The Show Demo, When? What? Where?"

But that thread is locked, so people can't talk about it in there. Why not create/sticky a spot where people can just discuss the demo? It would seem to me this would help eliminate the 5 threads a day that seem to pop up regarding the demo release.

I personally would like to see it be called "Demo Fever". I have a full blown case of it right now. And I don't see it going away anytime soon.

[econoodle]

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I'm just curious to see how the game will be reviewed considering there's not a number of BIG improvements. But of course what counts as such an improvement is subjective and what's considered to be substantial improvements to long-time fans and casual fans differ. Either way I suppose only time will tell.

same here.
but even if it matches last years metacritic, it'll be considered a success by Sony SCEA standards [i think].
taking into account that most reviewers that end up reviewing sports games dont seem to be avid fans of the sport they r reviewing, so they end up missing the little things and changes under the hood from the previous year because they gloss over the game.

in any event, i'd like to see more straight gameplay vids as well. no highlight vids, no new feature vids, just two teams unedited, like the lone tiger/twin 1up one.


same here

[gostate]

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Thank you for making my point for me. I absolutely cannot stand the rationale that "the answers are in the sliders." Pardon me, but am I not going to pay $60 for a game that should be playable from the time I open the box? I'm just not going to spend hours, like some monkey, trying to figure out what combination of crappy sliders gives me a proper game. I'd rather trade it in and play something that works. I'm not saying 09 didn't work, just that it wasn't a seriously fun game that had a lot of re-playability. While 2k's controls errored on the side of ridiculous, it was nice to know that if you wanted to hit a ball to the right side, to move a runner over, it was possible. Fact of the matter is when you get guys on 2nd & 3rd, with nobody out, it's almost an automatic run in any version of baseball. Too many times, in MLB, I'd strike out twice and then ground out, pop up to the infield, or some other crap where I'd walk away with no runs. While 2k had too many homeruns, there were still plenty of times where you felt like HR's were the only way to score in MLB. In fact, I went back to play the demo of 09 yesterday, and my first game was 1-0 in six innings (walk off HR to end it), and 2-1 in 4 innings (2 HR's and a run scoring double). And don't even get me started on the CPU's super human ability to score runs late in the game. Sometimes I didn't even know why I had a bullpen. All that said, I understand some of these are things that happen in the game. Just not to the level of frequency that they happened in MLB. I look forward to some of the new ball physics, fielding controls, etc., and hope that the added element of fun is more pronounced in 2010.

[kehlis]

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So you don't like real baseball then? You want automatics?

This might not be the game for you...

[countryboy]

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OS mods - whenever somebody creates a demo thread, you lock it up and link them to "MLB '10: The Show Demo, When? What? Where?"

But that thread is locked, so people can't talk about it in there. Why not create/sticky a spot where people can just discuss the demo? It would seem to me this would help eliminate the 5 threads a day that seem to pop up regarding the demo release.

I personally would like to see it be called "Demo Fever". I have a full blown case of it right now. And I don't see it going away anytime soon.

because there is nothing to discuss right now. The demo isn't out and the only thing people would be doing is speculating and spreading rumors. When there is a confirmation of date, I'm sure the mods will unlock the thread. Right now, they are updating the locked demo thread with factual evidence as to when the demo will release.

[kolasi]

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im sure the show will be great this year regardless if the demo is late and not out yet.

[capa]

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One thing I've noticed in video gaming...especially for sports games...user satisfaction is often equal to how often and easily they can "win" or beat the game. How easy it is to build a dynasty and/or capture the WS crown. Some guys think if they don't have success or wind up never reaching the playoffs that the game is at fault for one reason or another. They will rationalize why they think the game stinks or is unfair. Late inning comebacks...pitchers tire at drop of hat in 6th or 7th, can't get a basehit with pressure on in late innings, etc. All the things that happen every day in real baseball.

The truth is, real gamers and baseball fans don't mind having to work at winning...drawing walks...hit and running...keeping runners close...all the little things that make baseball great. We finally have a game that rewards you for things like that...it's about time. I say bravo.

I'd much rather lose in the late innings due to a lack of focus/concentration, bad pitch selection, or improper matchups, than to base my opinion on a game on when I think a homerun should or should not have been hit.

Just my $.02 of course...your opinion may vary...

C

[kehlis]

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your opinion may vary...

Mine doesn't, well said...

[DaImmaculateONe]

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Will this years game be playable online against random people without laggin every other pitch?

[SoxFan01605]

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because there is nothing to discuss right now. The demo isn't out and the only thing people would be doing is speculating and spreading rumors. When there is a confirmation of date, I'm sure the mods will unlock the thread. Right now, they are updating the locked demo thread with factual evidence as to when the demo will release.

Exactly! In the mean time, it seems we have this thread to do all our speculating in...lol

[NAFBUC]

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One thing I've noticed in video gaming...especially for sports games...user satisfaction is often equal to how often and easily they can "win" or beat the game. How easy it is to build a dynasty and/or capture the WS crown. Some guys think if they don't have success or wind up never reaching the playoffs that the game is at fault for one reason or another. They will rationalize why they think the game stinks or is unfair. Late inning comebacks...pitchers tire at drop of hat in 6th or 7th, can't get a basehit with pressure on in late innings, etc. All the things that happen every day in real baseball.

The truth is, real gamers and baseball fans don't mind having to work at winning...drawing walks...hit and running...keeping runners close...all the little things that make baseball great. We finally have a game that rewards you for things like that...it's about time. I say bravo.

I'd much rather lose in the late innings due to a lack of focus/concentration, bad pitch selection, or improper matchups, than to base my opinion on a game on when I think a homerun should or should not have been hit.

Just my $.02 of course...your opinion may vary...

C

good post.......