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  • BKBond007
    Banned
    • Feb 2010
    • 118

    #46
    Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

    Originally posted by jcabler24
    Michael Young anyone? Dont know how high you want to put him, but def higher than Rolen.

    heres some stats between Young and Rolen

    Rolen
    URZ/150 = +15.5 career
    .967 career fielding PCT
    last 3 yrs HR and RBI
    30 HR 175 RBI
    OPS .868 career
    OBP .370 career or .331 07, .349 08, .368 09

    Young
    URZ/150 = -13.5 career or -10.2 at 3B
    .969 career fielding PCT
    last 3 yrs HR and RBI
    43 HR 244 RBI
    OPS .798 career
    OBP .366 career or .339 07, .349 08, .374 09

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    • metsman8669
      Banned
      • Jan 2010
      • 423

      #47
      Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

      Originally posted by ricowiz
      David Wright ahead of Ryan Zimmerman???
      It takes the last three years into account.

      And Wright is still probably a better overall hitter (last year's anomaly, notwithstanding). But Zimmerman is a stud with the glove.

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      • metsman8669
        Banned
        • Jan 2010
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        #48
        Re: MLB '10 The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

        The rankings look pretty damn good to me, especially when you compare them to the others that have been released.

        One thing of note...is the 3B position becoming that weak that Scott Rolen is ranked no. 10? The guy was a very, very good and hard-nosed player back in the day...but he's really a shell of his former self thanks to injuries.

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        • EnigmaNemesis
          Animal Liberation
          • Apr 2006
          • 12216

          #49
          Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

          I usually stay out of these, but all I have to say is that if Alex Rodriguez is 83 for fielding and 80 for reaction and David Wright is 89 fielding, 74 reaction ...

          Then Adrian Beltre better be 100 reaction and 120 fielding. Comparatively speaking since they are both well in the negative with UZR, and Adrian is well, well above the positive. Ranked #1/150

          Considering Alex and Wright are the worst at their position by the rating.

          http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...n=2009&month=0
          Last edited by EnigmaNemesis; 02-23-2010, 11:33 AM.
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          • ricowiz
            Rookie
            • Mar 2004
            • 179

            #50
            Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

            Originally posted by metsman8669
            It takes the last three years into account.

            And Wright is still probably a better overall hitter (last year's anomaly, notwithstanding). But Zimmerman is a stud with the glove.
            Yeah, forgot about the whole 3 year thing. I mean, they are really close so I have no beefs with it....you think Wright will bounce back this season? I mean he had a steep dropoff on HR's...

            And yeah, I have been pleased with Zimmy's glove! As for his offense, it definitely helps to have Dunn batting behind him...
            When life hands you a lemon, just look up and say, "Oh yeah, is that all you got? Because I love lemons!".

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            • metsman8669
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              • Jan 2010
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              #51
              Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

              Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
              I usually stay out of these, but all I have to say is that if Alex Rodriguez is 83 for fielding and 80 for reaction and David Wright is 89 fielding, 74 reaction ...

              Then Adrian Beltre better be 100 reaction and 120 fielding. Comparatively speaking since they are both well in the negative with UZR, and Adrian is well, well above the positive. Ranked #1/150

              Considering Alex and Wright are the worst at their position by the rating.
              Wright was horrific last year on defense. He certainly isn't a Gold Glover in my opinion, but a majority of his errors have come on throws. His range isn't the greatest but he does pick up just about everything hit to him so his actual fielding is more than solid.

              His throws are all over the place though...it got better, but last year he regressed in what was just an obviously overall horrific season.

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              • nemesis04
                RIP Ty My Buddy
                • Feb 2004
                • 13530

                #52
                Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

                Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                I usually stay out of these, but all I have to say is that if Alex Rodriguez is 83 for fielding and 80 for reaction and David Wright is 89 fielding, 74 reaction ...

                Then Adrian Beltre better be 100 reaction and 120 fielding. Comparatively speaking since they are both well in the negative with UZR, and Adrian is well, well above the positive. Ranked #1/150

                Considering Alex and Wright are the worst at their position by the rating.

                http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...n=2009&month=0
                You get bonus points for playing in New York!
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                • metsman8669
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2010
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                  #53
                  Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

                  Originally posted by ricowiz
                  Yeah, forgot about the whole 3 year thing. I mean, they are really close so I have no beefs with it....you think Wright will bounce back this season? I mean he had a steep dropoff on HR's...

                  And yeah, I have been pleased with Zimmy's glove! As for his offense, it definitely helps to have Dunn batting behind him...
                  Absolutely...it's not even a concern of mine.

                  He may not be launching 30+ homers anymore, but I would be shocked...SHOCKED...if he doesn't go somewhere around. 310 25 110 this year.

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                  • metsman8669
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 423

                    #54
                    Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

                    Originally posted by metsman8669
                    Wright was horrific last year on defense. He certainly isn't a Gold Glover in my opinion, but a majority of his errors have come on throws. His range isn't the greatest but he does pick up just about everything hit to him so his actual fielding is more than solid.

                    His throws are all over the place though...it got better, but last year he regressed in what was just an obviously overall horrific season.
                    Responding to my own quote...I just looked up Wright's UZR/150 rating. No that it's the be-all, end-all, but he was -13.2 last year...last among the 18 3B who played everyday.

                    However, he was 4.8 and 3.6 in '07 and '08, respectively, so his range is actually better than I thought.

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                    • EnigmaNemesis
                      Animal Liberation
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 12216

                      #55
                      Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

                      Originally posted by nemesis04
                      You get bonus points for playing in New York!


                      Oh wait...

                      I think you are right.
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                      • sportyguyfl31
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 4745

                        #56
                        And Mr. Wright cracks the Top 5...

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                        • tyler289
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 2933

                          #57
                          Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

                          Ryan Zimmerman #6? He's better than Wright.

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                          • metsman8669
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2010
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                            #58
                            Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

                            Originally posted by tyler289
                            Ryan Zimmerman #6? He's better than Wright.
                            Based on what?

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                            • EnigmaNemesis
                              Animal Liberation
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 12216

                              #59
                              Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

                              Originally posted by metsman8669
                              Based on what?
                              Defensively by far. It isn't even a competition. Only guy who has a better UZR/150 and not by much is Adrian Beltre who is regarded as the best defensive 3rd baseman in the game.

                              And offensively he can be compared with arguably more power production.
                              Last edited by EnigmaNemesis; 02-24-2010, 01:50 PM.
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                              • metsman8669
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                                • Jan 2010
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                                #60
                                Re: MLB '10: The Show Top 5 Third Baseman

                                Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                                Defensively by far. It isn't even a competition. Only guy who has a better UZR/150 and not by much is Adrian Beltre who is regarded as the best defensive 3rd baseman in the game.

                                And offensively he can be compared with arguably more power production.
                                I said in a previous post that Zimmerman is a stud defensively. I'm not disparaging him as a player at all...but he's not in the same class as Wright offensively unless he consistently does what he did last year. Wright had nos. (better actually) like Zimmeran's '09 from '05-'08.

                                I'm assuming (as are virtually 100% of baseball fans) that Wright's 2009 season was an aberration. If that's the case...his offensive numbers from their side-by-side years blow Zimmerman's out of the water.

                                http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...immery01.shtml

                                http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...righda03.shtml

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