Is Player Potential dynamic?

[sportfanatic]

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If what Knight is saying is true then wow! This makes me excited for the minors rosters, more so than before. This makes player development much more realistic. Last year I would've given up on a C potential player because he wasn't gaining but rather losing his attributes. This year, it sounds like you actually have to wait it out on your prospects in the minors.

[mcgee055]

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I'm not disputing the player potential changing from B to C or A to B or D to C.

All I'm saying is that if a player bats .330 50 150, many times he goes down overall and gets worse.

I just find that baffling.

[jeremym480]

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I'm not disputing the player potential changing from B to C or A to B or D to C.

All I'm saying is that if a player bats .330 50 150, many times he goes down overall and gets worse.

I just find that baffling.

I'm not saying that isn't a small concern. However, I look at it like this: IRL, when a player has a monster year, there's no guarantee that he will continue playing that well or even fall off one year after having a career year. See Brady Anderson, Bret Boone and many many other examples.

[Mekias]

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I'm not disputing the player potential changing from B to C or A to B or D to C.

All I'm saying is that if a player bats .330 50 150, many times he goes down overall and gets worse.

I just find that baffling.

This is probably because of the potential bugs in the current rosters. Jose Lopez is not a D potential player. Once that's fixed, he won't be constantly losing points on his attributes.

Right now, Lopez will keep losing points no matter what because his potential is so much lower than his current skills. That potential rating might move up (like a D+ or a C-) if he's trained well and has good years but it won't go up fast enough to offset the large discrepancy that currently exists.

Things are going to be screwed up until the rosters get fixed. Hopefully everything will work fine after that.

[mcgee055]

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I'm not saying that isn't a small concern. However, I look at it like this: IRL, when a player has a monster year, there's no guarantee that he will continue playing that well or even fall off one year after having a career year. See Brady Anderson, Bret Boone and many many other examples.

Well I guess there's where you and me differ on opinions. I find that more than a "small concern"

I'm glad you bring up Brady Anderson, and Bret Boone. Throw in Adrian Beltre's monster year like 5 yrs ago or whatever.

While those were "weird/out of the norm" years, those players are/were decent/above average ball players. It's not like they went from 2 homers to 39 homers in a one year span.

99.9 % chance this wouldnt happen in a simmed season...

But, say, Yunel Escobar bats .320 with 47 homers and 122 rbis in 2010.

While Escobar is a good "SS", this would be one of those weird years.

I would just think if he had that kind of year in 2010,

While I don't think he should shoot up 10+ points in all hitting categories, (I'm not saying to make him a hitting god), however,

I would think he would improve somewhat as an overall hitter, but maybe that's just me.

[BatsareBugs]

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This is probably because of the potential bugs in the current rosters. Jose Lopez is not a D potential player. Once that's fixed, he won't be constantly losing points on his attributes.

Right now, Lopez will keep losing points no matter what because his potential is so much lower than his current skills. That potential rating might move up (like a D+ or a C-) if he's trained well and has good years but it won't go up fast enough to offset the large discrepancy that currently exists.

Things are going to be screwed up until the rosters get fixed. Hopefully everything will work fine after that.

A good chunk of the roster was fixed with the last update, but I believe almost all players who had potential ratings that made no sense will be fixed tomorrow (i.e. some of the Pittsburgh Pirates players, some overlooked veterans, etc.)

[findinghomer]

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I'm not disputing the player potential changing from B to C or A to B or D to C.

All I'm saying is that if a player bats .330 50 150, many times he goes down overall and gets worse.

I just find that baffling.

i have seen guys with "D" potential have good years and actually progress. however since minor league stats are erased after the year my only indication is based on the allstar Icon. and alot of times "d" pot guys with allstar icons actually did progress after a good year (usually only under 25 guys). obv it doesn always hold true but i have seen a good amount progress after a good year when most D's regress. pretty much all F's regress though.

[AInquisition]

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Say a rookie pitcher has a potential of a D, but he absolutely dominates. Will his potential ever change to match his performances? Can he get that upgraded to a C at any point?

Also, say a top prospect has an A potential, but he breaks his leg and misses the whole season. Will his potential then drop because he has been injured, or will he come back the next season with a huge boost to his overall simply because he has an "A" potential?

Worried about Jared Mitchell, eh?

[JoeCoolMan24]

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Worried about Jared Mitchell, eh?

Well, it was his ankle, but yes, that was my inspiration for the hypothetical.

[cardsleadtheway]

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I have simmed a couple of seasons (mostly 2010 repeatedly) to help me decide if I want to play 30 team franchise or not. I still haven't decided yet, but perhaps after some post patch/knight's rosters sims I might finally make a decision. That being said, I have not seen any randomness in off season progression for the A's. All of the same players progress exactly the same in the first season. Furthermore, I have yet to see a single potential change, even with the copious amounts of good and bad emails. Now don't get me wrong. I am not saying that anyone is lying, especially the developers. I am only saying that in both 1 team and 30 man team in 6 attempts, I have not seen a single deviation. I don't know about successive years yet, as I forgot to write down the potential when I did it. I would love to hear from someone that had different results.

[Hurricane4747]

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Why do people continue to complain so much about player potential. I mean yeah it's a pain, but get over it.. nothing is perfect.

I guess my biggest problem is I go through these threads and hear about people willing to take the time to look up and edit all the players in the game to real life minors (which is cool) and also willing to control all 30 teams rosters, yet you can't take the time that if you don't like the rating system to edit the ratings yourself?

I mean honestly if you care that much.. EVERY PLAYER in this game can be manually edited ratings even in mid season. Has always been that way. If you have a guy with a D or C potential and is on your team and hits .350/45HRs/130RBIs/120Rs and he drops his rating 8 points or whatever it is you people complain about.. guess what it takes 10 seconds.. go and edit the ratings back up. You mean to tell me you guys won't do this but will constantly work around other issues or spend hours changing players faces to make them like their real life minor league counterpart? Just doesn't make much sense to me... or wait maybe it's because people just want to complain to hear themselves or in this case read their own comments and feel like they have a real say.

Ok I'm done with my rant now.. I just am getting really annoyed with everyone being so picky about little things that aren't that big of a deal because if they are then just take matters into your own hands and edit the freakin ratings yourself.

[JoeCoolMan24]

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Why do people continue to complain so much about player potential. I mean yeah it's a pain, but get over it.. nothing is perfect.

I guess my biggest problem is I go through these threads and hear about people willing to take the time to look up and edit all the players in the game to real life minors (which is cool) and also willing to control all 30 teams rosters, yet you can't take the time that if you don't like the rating system to edit the ratings yourself?

I mean honestly if you care that much.. EVERY PLAYER in this game can be manually edited ratings even in mid season. Has always been that way. If you have a guy with a D or C potential and is on your team and hits .350/45HRs/130RBIs/120Rs and he drops his rating 8 points or whatever it is you people complain about.. guess what it takes 10 seconds.. go and edit the ratings back up. You mean to tell me you guys won't do this but will constantly work around other issues or spend hours changing players faces to make them like their real life minor league counterpart? Just doesn't make much sense to me... or wait maybe it's because people just want to complain to hear themselves or in this case read their own comments and feel like they have a real say.

Ok I'm done with my rant now.. I just am getting really annoyed with everyone being so picky about little things that aren't that big of a deal because if they are then just take matters into your own hands and edit the freakin ratings yourself.

This thread has nothing to do with complaining about "x" or "y" ratings. This is find out whether player potential changes due to things like age, production, and injury. This is a very valid question, and honestly not something that should just be swept under the rug. If I am spending time to develop minor leagues, and they have a great season, I want to know that those numbers actually mean something. Otherwise, why even track minor league stats if the numbers don't even matter in the end?

[Amoo316]

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This thread has nothing to do with complaining about "x" or "y" ratings. This is find out whether player potential changes due to things like age, production, and injury. This is a very valid question, and honestly not something that should just be swept under the rug. If I am spending time to develop minor leagues, and they have a great season, I want to know that those numbers actually mean something. Otherwise, why even track minor league stats if the numbers don't even matter in the end?

I think some people forget that research like this helps games evolve into more then what we had years previously. 20 production people sitting in a room can have some great ideas and think of a lot of things, but they are never going to have the analysis that you get when you release that product to thousands of people.

[JoeCoolMan24]

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I think some people forget that research like this helps games evolve into more then what we had years previously. 20 production people sitting in a room can have some great ideas and think of a lot of things, but they are never going to have the analysis that you get when you release that product to thousands of people.

....yes, which is exactly why me, and everyone else I assume, uses this site to voice our opinions on things because developers actually read this site and can hopefully change or add to things based on us.

[cardsleadtheway]

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Ok so back on topic, has anyone actually seen a player's potential change? I stated before that I have not seen it it multiple simmed chances, but I have only used the A's, and well if anyone actually does progress in potential we would trade him away anyway. I am curious though if anyone has seen potential changes. If so, how many a season? Up and/or down? Just prospects or current big leaguers as well? Did anyone pair this with training experiments? Any experience in this would be make for an interesting read.