Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

[torpidbeaver]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

Completely agree on the g-d shots up the line. Nothing more frustrating.

As far as the animation wherein the guy Spidermans the wall - I've found a lot of success letting off the L-stick early. Like, get to where the ball's going to be, and right before you think you need to, let off the L-stick.

It allows the fielder to decelerate, grab the ball, and toss it back in like he should be able to.

I dunno. I'm torn, hearing that AUTO takes care of the majority of the up-the-line shots. I like fielding for the most part; does my fielding enjoyment trump the frustration and agony of losing a game to one of those mfing linershots? I dunno.

[MikeGiani]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

I use 1 speed and 6 reaction for fielding on manaul? If I went to auto should I switch that?

[bfindeisen]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

Completely agree on the g-d shots up the line. Nothing more frustrating.

As far as the animation wherein the guy Spidermans the wall - I've found a lot of success letting off the L-stick early. Like, get to where the ball's going to be, and right before you think you need to, let off the L-stick.

It allows the fielder to decelerate, grab the ball, and toss it back in like he should be able to.

I dunno. I'm torn, hearing that AUTO takes care of the majority of the up-the-line shots. I like fielding for the most part; does my fielding enjoyment trump the frustration and agony of losing a game to one of those mfing linershots? I dunno.

Ya, I started doing that, too...back when I used Manual/Assisted fielding, and it seemed to work, although I wouldn't always do it correctly. But yeah, since switching to Auto-Fielding, these issues have been removed, really helping me enjoy the game more.

[chuckm1961]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

I use 1 speed and 6 reaction for fielding on manaul? If I went to auto should I switch that?

Good question. Answer, Auto pilots?

[bfindeisen]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

I use 1 speed and 6 reaction for fielding on manaul? If I went to auto should I switch that?

Well, I have been running with Outfielder Speed at 1 and Fielder Reaction at 9. I used this on Manual/Assisted and I am now using it with Auto-Fielding. So far so good!

[BronxBombers22]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

I really hate the mess ups I get while playing with manual fielding, but I just can't see myself going to auto. I want to play the game, not watch it. IDK, maybe Ill give it a shot. I doubt Ill like it though.

[jkeefeholmes]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

I tried manual, if for no other reason than the outfielders on auto way too often make dumb decisions, charging a ball that should be played back and angled at, to prevent extra bases. They don't accept that it is a hit and try to be a hero and the batter gets a double or triple on what should have been a single, if fielded properly.

That said, I find it way to hard to control the IF, as you just don't have the time to react. I use pitcher view, always have, always will, when on defense. So IF is just about impossible.

I WOULD like to see an option to manually control only the OF and leave the IF on auto

[stealyerface]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

On a related note to this whole discussion....

Where do you guys have the setting for Solid Hits? After setting up my slider set with the solid hits at "0", I have noticed far less (as in almost non-existent) issues with the ball-through-the-glove incidents.

I am wondering if the game recognizes a solid hit as a screamer, and thereby causes the ball to get through the fielder based on the hit rating itself versus the occupation of the physical space taken up by the fielder. In other words, the collision detection is over-ridden by the game realizing that the equation of what it feels to be a solid hit is greater than the fielders positioning.

So, by lowering Solid Hits, the fact that the scale is set to zero may help lower the frequency of the ball being allowed to get past the fielders...

Check it out, it may make the game much more interesting for you. I see so many more choppers, bleeders, cue shots off the end of the bat, high chops off the plate...

You still get plenty of balls hit hard, and you still will see monster homeruns go 400+ feet, but it seems like they have to be really well centered, and perfectly hit to travel that far... Hmmm...

syf

[chuckm1961]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

I'm raising other possible causes for this "ball under-the-glove problem":

1) Fielder Ratings

Anyone checked the Fielding Ratings on the guys who are missing these grounders? My third baseman is my worst fielder. I have played 30 games, and he is the only one who has had balls scoot under him.

2) Good Idea, Bad Execution

Maybe the game is showing--as has been alluded to--a ball that is just a tough play, or was mis-timed. But the graphics don't quite match up with what is intended. Ya know, like the way outfielders morph into the wall or have balls do apparent magic tricks (stuff that does not bother me, since I don't expect video game perfection).

[bemo03]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

Just letting you know, you will see more Errors on Auto fielding than you would on Manual or Assisted.

[BobSacamano]

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Nice play, Beltre. If only you had a real leg...
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It's clear that the problem is graphical. Beltre entered into the "reach for the grounder but not quite get there" animation, but the ball wasn't in the right place. It looks weird, but take comfort in that there's really nothing you can do about it. You weren't supposed to get to the ball in the first place, and if the animations lined up correctly, it would have looked like a clean base hit.

[cardsleadtheway]

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That is a good point and makes a lot of sense. How many other animations don't line up correctly? The home plate ump rarely puts the ball in my catcher's hand, but rather magically teleports it from 6 inches away. The first base coach likes to fist bump my guys when they get a base hit, but he must think they all have cooties because he never really touches them. And every time I break a bat, my guy grabs the bat from the bat boy way up on the barrel. A few sliding catch replays will show the ball going right through the outside of the glove into the pocket. It is what it is.

By the way, I have also seen the CPU get in good position and have the ball go right under the glove. It is almost always chalked up as an error though with a mention from the announcers. Someone earlier said that it can't happen to major league players. I guess he never heard of Bill Buckner

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

Maybe the game is showing--as has been alluded to--a ball that is just a tough play, or was mis-timed. But the graphics don't quite match up with what is intended.

This.

It's like how sometimes when the catcher throws the ball down to first after a dropped third strike, the first baseman won't have his foot on the bag. It's not "omg the ump always misses that call"; it's just something you have to overlook. Likewise, these ball-under-the-glove plays are not "omg fielding sucks"; it's just a ball your guy couldn't get to, but the animation doesn't match up properly.

[bfindeisen]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

On a related note to this whole discussion....

Where do you guys have the setting for Solid Hits? After setting up my slider set with the solid hits at "0", I have noticed far less (as in almost non-existent) issues with the ball-through-the-glove incidents.

I am wondering if the game recognizes a solid hit as a screamer, and thereby causes the ball to get through the fielder based on the hit rating itself versus the occupation of the physical space taken up by the fielder. In other words, the collision detection is over-ridden by the game realizing that the equation of what it feels to be a solid hit is greater than the fielders positioning.

So, by lowering Solid Hits, the fact that the scale is set to zero may help lower the frequency of the ball being allowed to get past the fielders...

Check it out, it may make the game much more interesting for you. I see so many more choppers, bleeders, cue shots off the end of the bat, high chops off the plate...

You still get plenty of balls hit hard, and you still will see monster homeruns go 400+ feet, but it seems like they have to be really well centered, and perfectly hit to travel that far... Hmmm...

syf

I had solid hits at 0 and still experienced these issues, at the same rate as if solid hits were at 5, etc. I now play with solid hits at 1, still experiencing the crappy fielding animations on Manual Fielding, so I have switched to Auto.

[bfindeisen]

Re: Giving up on Manual/Assisted Fielding

I tried manual, if for no other reason than the outfielders on auto way too often make dumb decisions, charging a ball that should be played back and angled at, to prevent extra bases. They don't accept that it is a hit and try to be a hero and the batter gets a double or triple on what should have been a single, if fielded properly.

That said, I find it way to hard to control the IF, as you just don't have the time to react. I use pitcher view, always have, always will, when on defense. So IF is just about impossible.

I WOULD like to see an option to manually control only the OF and leave the IF on auto

Agreed. That is one major downfall of using Auto-fielding...but to me, the amount of frustrating plays like this are far greater on Manual Fielding, whether its the ball going through fielders or the outfielders sucking into the outfield wall, etc...