Guess Pitch - do you use it?

[countryboy]

Re: Guess Pitch - do you use it?

You know, I said I was done, but there is something that I don't get Maynard. Why do you feel the need to point out to people they aren't playing realistically? Whats it to you? Why do you care? Does it make you feel as though you're better than someone simply because you can play a video game without assistance?

This thread started out asking who uses guess pitch and for some reason you felt the need to come in and alert anyone who uses it that they aren't playing realistically, and when they give reasons as to why they do and feel its fine, you feel the need to correct them. I simply don't get it man. How is someone playing the game their way impacting the way you play yours?

Seems to me that you would have far better things in your life to do then worry about someone believing they are playing a baseball game realistically by using guess pitch. But then again, maybe your life is just that shallow. And if so, then I truly feel sorry for you bro.

[Maynard]

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Ok I correct stealing signs comment (although you don't need a runner on second to steal signs) and replace it with tipping pitches. It happens all the time.

As for your skill comment, you obviously didn't read what I wrote or you wouldn't have said that my skill is better with GP on. I said that I sucked with using it. I don't use it and now I hit better. Exact opposite of what you said.

If I follow your logic, then there is nothing in this game that is a realistic sim. Batting from third person view gives you an unfair advantage. You don't get to see the plate at all when you swing the bat. Hell, you don't even have to swing a bat in this game, meaning pushing a button just isn't the same as having to swing a 2 pound piece of lumber. You also aren't going to throw out your back or obliques if you swing and miss. I mean where do you want to draw the line?

The other issue is how to pick up pitches on this game without GP? in MVP 05 they did the color thing. In real life you get the spin, grip, threads, etc. On this game you don't get any of that. Instead it is much more of a read and react. Now I am not a fan of the big flashing red on the screen, one reason why I stopped using it, but you can't come on here and state it isn't realistic when really the whole game isn't a realistic representation.

to the bolded portion, i misread what you posted originally. Sorry about that. To the rest of your post....i think your being ridiculous and i am not even wasting time commenting or replying to that because its obvious u dont follow my logic and i think i made my point....the point your trying to make is just silly

You know, I said I was done, but there is something that I don't get Maynard. Why do you feel the need to point out to people they aren't playing realistically? Whats it to you? Why do you care? Does it make you feel as though you're better than someone simply because you can play a video game without assistance?

This thread started out asking who uses guess pitch and for some reason you felt the need to come in and alert anyone who uses it that they aren't playing realistically, and when they give reasons as to why they do and feel its fine, you feel the need to correct them. I simply don't get it man. How is someone playing the game their way impacting the way you play yours?

Seems to me that you would have far better things in your life to do then worry about someone believing they are playing a baseball game realistically by using guess pitch. But then again, maybe your life is just that shallow. And if so, then I truly feel sorry for you bro.

Thanks countryboy, you have succeed and taking a friendly discussion about a topic and turning it into a personal attack on me because you dont like what I have said about a feature that you use.

instead of worrying about me and my life u should worry about why your ability or lack there of to discuss a topic. If you have something to say about the topic, then say it...but dont sit there and post that your done over and over only to keep posting and deleting and then decide to comment on my motives for posting my opinion. And then attack me personally in the process.

I have said nothing in this thread other than my opinion on the topic at hand. If you dont like my comments then that's your problem.

[countryboy]

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Thanks countryboy, you have succeed and taking a friendly discussion about a topic and turning it into a personal attack on me because you dont like what I have said about a feature that you use.

instead of worrying about me and my life u should worry about why your ability or lack there of to discuss a topic. If you have something to say about the topic, then say it...but dont sit there and post that your done over and over only to keep posting and deleting and then decide to comment on my motives for posting my opinion. And then attack me personally in the process.

I have said nothing in this thread other than my opinion on the topic at hand. If you dont like my comments then that's your problem.

I'm not asking about the motives of your opinion. Your opinion is that GP is unrealistic..I understand and appreciate that.

I asked why you feel the need to continually tell people they are not playing the game realistically because they use guess pitch. You were the first to call people out by saying they are not playing realistically. Then went as far as to tell people to not pretend they are playing realistically because they use GP. So again I ask, why continue to do so? Why does it bother you so much that someone views using GP as being realistic?

I'm not searching for motive as if you have some agenda, I'm simply baffled why you feel the need to seemingly put people in their place for using GP.

But you don't have to answer, and you can continue to flip this on me, its cool.

[countryboy]

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Just for ****s and giggles here was one of your posts, my response, and then you respond in your condencending tone in an attempt to put people in their place for using GP. This is what I don't get..and you continued to do this throughout the thread.

So yes, I'm the bad guy for asking why.

i think its a horribly unrealistic feature and for a game that is the most realistic experience as they say, i dont understand how its even in the game.

now this no feedback option, if i am understand it right....meaning you guess pitch type and if you happen to guess right, then u receive a bonus when you swing....that doesnt sound to bad since its not giving you any on screen indicators....your just getting a bonus if you guessed right which isnt bad cause a real BB player would have an advantage if he guessed right

but for people using the indicators, i dont understand how you can play like that and feel like your playing a realistic game of baseball. There is no way you can justify having a on screen indicator that tells you what pitch and what location is coming

needless to say, i dont use it

isn't it nice that you can turn it off and enjoy the game and those that do use it can leave it on and enjoy the game. Options are a great thing.

i dont care if people use it, i dont recall even thinking that. If someone uses it to make the game more enjoyable then thats great. Obviously people like the option.

My thing is what i already said. Its not realistic at all and there is no way anyone can justify using it and claim they are playing a realistic game of baseball. The one guy who said he was a new player and he needed it to gain experience...ok thats cool. The other guy who said he K's alot and wants to enjoy the game....ok, thats cool too.

It doesnt really matter the reason and it doesnt matter if you choose to use it. But anyone who uses it with any on screen indicators can not say they are playing a realistic game of baseball.

of course if the MLB decides to implement a rule that the pitcher must tell the hitter what pitch type and location is coming, then you can say its a realistic feature

[Maynard]

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i am just discussing a topic. Its nothing more than that regardless of what you want to try to make it out to be.

but it would be great if you could stay on topic....thanks

[countryboy]

Re: Guess Pitch - do you use it?

i am just discussing a topic. Its nothing more than that regardless of what you want to try to make it out to be.

but it would be great if you could stay on topic....thanks

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As for the topic, the end goal of just about everyone on this site is to get realistic results. I mean, as you said, thats why we play these games, to get realistic results. I think we can both agree that realistic results mean obtaining a realistic amount of walks, strikeouts, hits, homers, doubles, triples, etc..

Well for some, to obtain these realistic stats, they need to use GP, if not they are hacking at everything, striking out far to often, never walking, and barely getting hits. This would be caused by, most likely, a player's inability to recognize pitches in the game. They can't tell the difference between slider and fastball, or notice a curve quickly enough to react appropriately. Therefore, the use GP to help them out. It helps them recognize pitches better and be more patient at the plate. And since they do both these things, they are able to better generate realistic results.

So while it may be unrealistic to use GP and have indicators tip pitches and/or locations, for some users its necessary in order to obtain realistic results. And as has been stated prior, we play these games to get realistic results.

[HokieB]

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With the necessity to turn off visual aids in order to consider myself a realistic player, how the hell am I suppose to catch a fly ball?

I mean I could use the fly ball indicator, but in real life a magical circle doesn't appear in the middle of the outfield every time someone hits a fly ball. I mean if that happened, outfielders wouldn't even need to look in the air; they would just need to keep their eyes on the ground and make sure they stand in the middle of the magic circle. You can't possibly use this feature and consider it a realistic experience.

Unfortunately, every time the ball is hit into the air, it results in an in-the-park homerun, but at least it's realistic.

[Maynard]

Re: Guess Pitch - do you use it?

With the necessity to turn off visual aids in order to consider myself a realistic player, how the hell am I suppose to catch a fly ball?

I mean I could use the fly ball indicator, but in real life a magical circle doesn't appear in the middle of the outfield every time someone hits a fly ball. I mean if that happened, outfielders wouldn't even need to look in the air; they would just need to keep their eyes on the ground and make sure they stand in the middle of the magic circle. You can't possibly use this feature and consider it a realistic experience.

Unfortunately, every time the ball is hit into the air, it results in an in-the-park homerun, but at least it's realistic.

thats actually an excellent point. Well played sir

unfortunately you couldnt play this game without those fly ball indicators so it isnt quite the same thing. There is a big difference between having an indicator tell you what pitch is coming vs a circle that is a must have to be able to catch a fly ball

[Maynard]

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i guess the problem i have with it is that i just cant understand why people would use this feature. Why play if your going to know in advance whats coming. Doesnt that ruin the experience? Its like using auto fielding, thats a huge part of the gameplay that you dont get to experience. Its like playing madden and letting the CPU catch the ball for you, or calling hike and letting the CPU run the ball for you....but in baseball its so much more than that stuff.

The pitcher and batter matchup is what baseball is all about. every great thing about baseball starts with that pitcher trying to fool that batter. That is the essence of baseball. that mental matchup to get the batter to think fastball and throw changeup. Or being that batter down by 1 with a runner on 1st and going up to the plate thinking 1st pitch fastball, and you get it and hammer it for a game winning homerun. But you just destroyed all of that because you had a sound tell you that the pitcher was going to throw that fastball......u just cheated yourself, but even worse, you cheated a computer game

anyways, im gonna go play the show and try and hit that homerun. If i get it i know its because i got it honestly.......if you get it, will you think it was honest? Its pretty obvious that one mans sim is another man cheese

[HokieB]

Re: Guess Pitch - do you use it?

i guess the problem i have with it is that i just cant understand why people would use this feature. Why play if your going to know in advance whats coming. Doesnt that ruin the experience? Its like using auto fielding, thats a huge part of the gameplay that you dont get to experience. Its like playing madden and letting the CPU catch the ball for you, or calling hike and letting the CPU run the ball for you....but in baseball its so much more than that stuff.

The pitcher and batter matchup is what baseball is all about. every great thing about baseball starts with that pitcher trying to fool that batter. That is the essence of baseball. that mental matchup to get the batter to think fastball and throw changeup. Or being that batter down by 1 with a runner on 1st and going up to the plate thinking 1st pitch fastball, and you get it and hammer it for a game winning homerun. But you just destroyed all of that because you had a sound tell you that the pitcher was going to throw that fastball......u just cheated yourself, but even worse, you cheated a computer game

anyways, im gonna go play the show and try and hit that homerun. If i get it i know its because i got it honestly.......if you get it, will you think it was honest? Its pretty obvious that one mans sim is another man cheese

Look, I completely agree with everything you say about the pitcher-batter matchup. And for me, the guess pitch feature allows me to experience the essence of this matchup in a way that caters to my playing style.

I understand where you're coming from. If you are sitting on a first-pitch fastball on the inside half, just wait on it, and if it's not there just let it go by. That's great that you have the capacity to do that. For me, that kind of approach takes way more concentration that I'm willing to offer, and would likely result in a brain aneurysm and blurred vision for the next six months.

When I'm playing, I'm most likely also shooting the breeze with my wife who's cuddled up with her laptop on the other end of the couch. And I'm probably pausing it twice every inning to go check on my daughter if she's having a hard time getting to sleep. If it's a lazy Friday night, I'm probably most of the way through a six pack.

So if I want to sit on a first-pitch fastball on the inner half, I can either:

• Tell my wife to shut the hell up
• Let my kid stay up all night
• Join Alcoholics Anonymous
• and suffer a lifetime of seizures due to my brain aneurysm

OR

• I can turn on Guess Pitch to help a brotha out

And it's not like guessing right means you're jacking the ball out of the park all the time, or batting .435 as a team. That would be stupid, and if that were the case, it would break the game for me.

As it turns out, I'm getting very realistic stats, and find the pitcher-batter matchup to be extremely fulfilling. I think husbands, fathers, and alcoholics everywhere are entitled to at least that much.


And by the way, I think this could be a very fun and interesting discussion, but we could do without the snide "cheeser" accusations. If you take such an issue with how people play their video games that you feel it appropriate to attack them, then the Guess Pitch feature is the least of your problems.

[Braves Fan]

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As for the topic, the end goal of just about everyone on this site is to get realistic results. I mean, as you said, thats why we play these games, to get realistic results. I think we can both agree that realistic results mean obtaining a realistic amount of walks, strikeouts, hits, homers, doubles, triples, etc..

Well for some, to obtain these realistic stats, they need to use GP, if not they are hacking at everything, striking out far to often, never walking, and barely getting hits. This would be caused by, most likely, a player's inability to recognize pitches in the game. They can't tell the difference between slider and fastball, or notice a curve quickly enough to react appropriately. Therefore, the use GP to help them out. It helps them recognize pitches better and be more patient at the plate. And since they do both these things, they are able to better generate realistic results.

So while it may be unrealistic to use GP and have indicators tip pitches and/or locations, for some users its necessary in order to obtain realistic results. And as has been stated prior, we play these games to get realistic results.

Well said CB, agree with everything you said.

Getting realistic results is all that matters, otherwise you are just going to get frustrated and not enjoy playing a game you paid good money for.

[Braves Fan]

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i guess the problem i have with it is that i just cant understand why people would use this feature. Why play if your going to know in advance whats coming. Doesnt that ruin the experience? Its like using auto fielding, thats a huge part of the gameplay that you dont get to experience. Its like playing madden and letting the CPU catch the ball for you, or calling hike and letting the CPU run the ball for you....but in baseball its so much more than that stuff.

How rewarding is it to take a virtual player and move him under a circle? I mean seriously?

I use auto fielding and guess pitch and feel it enhances my game experience. The fielding animations are amazing, I mean in a real baseball game a player doesn't pitch and field so you could make the argument it's more realistic to just pitch and let the CPU field the ball for you.

Or you could just play however you want.

[CMH]

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The end of this debate comes here:

Preferences.

/End of this discussion before it turns really personal.

Now back on topic.