Do you use the L-stick when batting?

[fool]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

Every hitters swing looks the same whether they are using the L stick or not.

Lots of guys on here are just want to feel "better" than those who don't use the L stick. Kinda like someone who plays Madden on All Madden and wins 2 games who thinks he's better than someone who plays on a medium difficulty level and has FUN. No offense to the guys in this thread who are looking for ultimate realism in the game. Hitting a ball with a CONTROLLER is about as far from reality as you can get. If you can use the L stick and have success, that's awesome. I play on Hall of Fame and use the L stick 50/50. I hit the same with or without it. Sure you can go the other way with the L stick a lot better, but the collision detection of the PCI is wayyyy off. I've fouled off a ball at my shins before on Hall of Fame that I didn't even move the PCI to get. That should have been a swing and a miss, but I still made contact. Seeing people on here mocking guys who don't use the L stick to hit is ridiculous. You are not playing a more realistic game of baseball by moving a left stick on a controller than someone else who just uses timing to hit. You still have to see the ball and hit it. I swear some people take this game way too seriously. If someone plays on rookie and hits 10 home runs a game and he's happy, that's a success in my book. If SCEA wanted us to all play the same, there'd be no sliders and only one difficulty just like Mario games. Claiming that using timing only to hit is the same thing as a 15 year old game is a joke. Some of you guys take yourselves wayyyy too seriously.

[Boltman]

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Lots of guys on here are just want to feel "better" than those who don't use the L stick. Kinda like someone who plays Madden on All Madden and wins 2 games who thinks he's better than someone who plays on a medium difficulty level and has FUN. No offense to the guys in this thread who are looking for ultimate realism in the game. Hitting a ball with a CONTROLLER is about as far from reality as you can get. If you can use the L stick and have success, that's awesome. I play on Hall of Fame and use the L stick 50/50. I hit the same with or without it. Sure you can go the other way with the L stick a lot better, but the collision detection of the PCI is wayyyy off. I've fouled off a ball at my shins before on Hall of Fame that I didn't even move the PCI to get. That should have been a swing and a miss, but I still made contact. Seeing people on here mocking guys who don't use the L stick to hit is ridiculous. You are not playing a more realistic game of baseball by moving a left stick on a controller than someone else who just uses timing to hit. You still have to see the ball and hit it. I swear some people take this game way too seriously. If someone plays on rookie and hits 10 home runs a game and he's happy, that's a success in my book. If SCEA wanted us to all play the same, there'd be no sliders and only one difficulty just like Mario games. Claiming that using timing only to hit is the same thing as a 15 year old game is a joke. Some of you guys take yourselves wayyyy too seriously.

Well said.

[moemoe24]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

Lots of guys on here are just want to feel "better" than those who don't use the L stick. Kinda like someone who plays Madden on All Madden and wins 2 games who thinks he's better than someone who plays on a medium difficulty level and has FUN. No offense to the guys in this thread who are looking for ultimate realism in the game. Hitting a ball with a CONTROLLER is about as far from reality as you can get. If you can use the L stick and have success, that's awesome. I play on Hall of Fame and use the L stick 50/50. I hit the same with or without it. Sure you can go the other way with the L stick a lot better, but the collision detection of the PCI is wayyyy off. I've fouled off a ball at my shins before on Hall of Fame that I didn't even move the PCI to get. That should have been a swing and a miss, but I still made contact. Seeing people on here mocking guys who don't use the L stick to hit is ridiculous. You are not playing a more realistic game of baseball by moving a left stick on a controller than someone else who just uses timing to hit. You still have to see the ball and hit it. I swear some people take this game way too seriously. If someone plays on rookie and hits 10 home runs a game and he's happy, that's a success in my book. If SCEA wanted us to all play the same, there'd be no sliders and only one difficulty just like Mario games. Claiming that using timing only to hit is the same thing as a 15 year old game is a joke. Some of you guys take yourselves wayyyy too seriously.

Do you really think people on here that say the L stick is the better way to go think they are better?? Thats hilarious!!

Simply put...the L stick is there to simulate a batter swinging where the pitch is thrown in a real game of baseball, nothing more nothing less. If you have the sliders adjusted enough in your favor you will not have to move the L stick because your "circle" is big enough to cover basically the whole zone. So if someone says that you dont need to use it they would be correct, if the sliders are adjusted the right way. In my case and many others here, if you have contact turned down to zero-3 then the L stick is necessary because your "circle" is not big enough to cover the zone.

[Phoenixmgs]

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Lots of guys on here are just want to feel "better" than those who don't use the L stick... You are not playing a more realistic game of baseball by moving a left stick on a controller than someone else who just uses timing to hit... Claiming that using timing only to hit is the same thing as a 15 year old game is a joke.

I don't feel "better" or "superior" for using the L stick, I prefer video games to be somewhat challenging. Just timing the pitch is not challenging to me. You do get a more realistic batting experience using the L stick since you are both locating and timing the pitch, that's what you need to do when batting in real life. I'm not at all implying the skill set of hitting in a game is similar to real baseball. The game is trying to recreate hitting as best as possible with a controller and if you are just timing the pitch and not locating, IT IS A LESS REALISTIC EXPERIENCE; that's just a fact. And, just timing the pitch is just like playing a 15 year old game with a different camera angle from a gameplay perspective. You only had to timing the pitch in games like RBI baseball, Griffey baseball, etc. I just don't understand why you wouldn't play with the left stick unless you just don't have the hand-eye coordination or whatever to use the left stick. Just on a being a gamer, I want challenging gameplay mechanics in my games.

[edm18]

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I understand all of your arguements and Ill repeat, to each his own. I just started playing this game about a month and a halft ago and from my experience, I can conclude that using the L-stick is the best way to go for me.

You DO NOT have to use the L-stick, but the L-stick influences where the PCI is and the PCI is the most important thing when it comes to hitting. I started off playing this game without moving the L-stick and then started using it and my stats have shot through the roof!!!

I also play players all the time who do not move the L-stick and they have minimal success against me. Check my stats on theshowcommunity.com im Hbats1000.

To me, the thing about not using the L-stick is that you are essentially waiting for your opponent to make a mistake instead of pouncing on any pitch in the stirke zone.

I have to disagree that "PCI is the most important thing when it comes to hitting". In my experiences, timing is more important. Just try to hit the ball with the ball in the dead center of the PCI with horrible timing. On the flip side, I've hit plenty of line drives with good timing and the PCI off of the ball.

As I mentioned in my other post, I do play using the L-stick and have been for a while now. But with 2008, 2009, and a good part of 2010, I played timing only. I can't speak for HOF or legend, but playing on ALLSTAR the majority of my games, I have not seen a huge difference between using it and not using it.

Also, let's not forget, a lot probably comes down to how the person plays the game. Someone with more patience and who waits for a mistake pitch will have better results playing timing only than someone who is a free swinger and chases balls out of the ideal hitting zone. Obviously, the free swinger will have better results making contact using the L-stick as the PCI is more important for pitches off the plate.

[slyfox]

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Before reading this thread, I played The show without using the L-stick........I have since changed to using the L-stick for hitting. While there is NOTHING wrong with timing only guys, if you want to play that way, there is definatly a significant difference hitting with the L-stick. Not just the amount or rate of hits, but the type of hits or hits variety. Ive found many more opposite field AND pull hits upon changing to using the L-stick. While you can successfully hit without the L-stick, at the lower difficulties, it generally will result it in a somewhat less succesful result compared to an accuratetly designed L-stick swing.

[Braves Fan]

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Before reading this thread, I played The show without using the L-stick........I have since changed to using the L-stick for hitting. While there is NOTHING wrong with timing only guys, if you want to play that way, there is definatly a significant difference hitting with the L-stick. Not just the amount or rate of hits, but the type of hits or hits variety. Ive found many more opposite field AND pull hits upon changing to using the L-stick. While you can successfully hit without the L-stick, at the lower difficulties, it generally will result it in a somewhat less succesful result compared to an accuratetly designed L-stick swing.

I get a lot of variety of hits using timing only as well. I hit a lot of balls the other way. I hit choppers, bloopers, line drives, etc. You name it I get it.

[Boltman]

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I get a lot of variety of hits using timing only as well. I hit a lot of balls the other way. I hit choppers, bloopers, line drives, etc. You name it I get it.

That is not the issue, I already posted that people who just hit a button to bat get a variety of hits. We get that, there is no argument there.


But you do not control where you are trying to put the ball in play. It is a randomly decided occurrence as to where your "variety" of balls go.

People who use the l stick can try to place the ball where they are actually trying to put it.

[coreyhartsdaughter]

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if you are just timing the pitch and not locating, IT IS A LESS REALISTIC EXPERIENCE; that's just a fact.

Dude, really?

[MLB01]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

This would depend on the difficulty level, sliders, and most importantly the users skill in using the L Stick.

More over, most L stick users do NOT have pitch speed at default or higher.

Your comment would have a higher probability of being true on HOF, and Legend,mor with contact at 0, but as the difficulty descriptions state, the PCI location via the L Stick is more irrelevant on All Star and below. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that on default sliders on Veteren with pitch speed at default - one would have simialar sucess (than the average every pitch L stick user) just by using the 'fly ball' influence and good timing.

I've been playing on All Star difficulty with all the sliders at default and this is all I'm gonna say, man.. I know for a fact that a lot of my HRs wouldn't have been HRs if I didn't track the ball with the left thumbstick cause they were low in the strikezone, so they would've been either grounders or line drives.

[MLB01]

Re: Do you use the L-stick when batting?

I get a lot of variety of hits using timing only as well. I hit a lot of balls the other way. I hit choppers, bloopers, line drives, etc. You name it I get it.

You'll get an even wider variety if you use the left thumbstick. That's what he's trying to say.

[Phoenixmgs]

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Dude, really?

Yes. If you are just timing the pitch, the batting experience is less realistic than if you are locating and timing the pitch. In real life, you need to locate and time the pitch. Therefore, using the most basic logic, if you take one of those parts out of the equation, it is simpler and less realistic since you are no longer recreating both aspects of hitting. I don't understand how you and others can't understand that as a fact. I'm not putting people down who only use timing, I'm just saying that their batting experience is less realistic than those who use the stick, that is all. It doesn't matter if you can get realistic stats without using the left stick because it seems like that is what people are using as a counterargument to mine. If you could get realistic stats by hitting X randomly and not looking at the screen, it wouldn't make the experience realistic just because the stats are realistic.

The following is what I require from the hitting aspect of a baseball video game:
First and foremost, I want a gameplay mechanic that recreates both aspects of hitting. Then, secondarily, I want to realistic stats to be the result of using that gameplay mechanic. If the first isn't present, I don't want to be playing the game even if the stats are realistic because I might as well just be playing a game like Out of the Park Baseball since it'll give me those realistic stats.

[Clarityman]

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For years I never used it... but this year I've started to use it, especially on a full count, and my offense has skyrocketed.

I'm now able to pull inside pitches a lot more effectively, and foul off tough pitches on the corner with more regularity. Once I have my pitch recognition down, the key is to move the stick so quickly to the zone, litterally one or two milliseconds before swinging.

Since learning to use the stick, I have so much more fun playing the game... and I had already felt it was my favorite game!

[Ljm623]

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the key is to move the stick so quickly to the zone, litterally one or two milliseconds before swinging.

This is what I'm really trying to learn how to do effectively .. i too have never used it before, i started using it after reading through this entire thread and I'm really liking using the L-stick .. i was mainly Pre-Loading the L-stick to where I'm looking for the pitch or where i think the pitch is going, but I'm really trying to get the hang of moving it with the pitch, i get it sometimes, but others I'm just a fraction off, especially on the high heat.. for me using the L-Stick has made the game more fun and challenging.

[coreyhartsdaughter]

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You'll get an even wider variety if you use the left thumbstick. That's what he's trying to say.

There is absolutely no way to prove this. You can get the same hit variety through slider manipulation as using the L stick.