What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

[BlackBetty15]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

loll...yeah you're right. But keep some features for MLB12 ;-) I would be satisfied with a few popup messages for now and for sure all the mechanic behind ( including retractable roofs working)

I know many guys would like a Stadium creation tool. If a remember Russell mentioned a few times it takes 2-3 months of work to design a stadium to the SCEA standard. I imagine it's not an easy piece of development to have such a tool that do all that automatically. But I would pay 10-15$ for an addon application who can do that but for me it's more wishfulthinking ....

All the create a teams sound nice but some things are def needed...mostly for franchise:

1. trade logic needs to be vastly improved. (I like the idea 2k has awhile back with the no player above 85 ovr can be traded, I would want this but with a twist, players that are 80 ovr + can be traded with player approval)

2. Lineup issue with the AI needs to be improved. (in franchise the CPU makes the worst lineup decisions EVER. Pujols hitting leadoff for example. Have the CPU leave the lineups how the user initially had them preseason unless injuries occur, and then have position players fill that void and not rework the whole stiking lineup.

3. (FOR ME) The HUD in game for pitching/batting is really to busy for me. All the different things that appear on the game just frustrate and takes away from the expierience to a degree. Have like a "hardcore" mode if you will like the BC2 and MW2 games. nothing on the screen during you hitting, and the only thing happening during pitching is the pitch selection. Its just a personel thing but a no HUD option would be fantastic.

4. Player models/running animations - I know there is gonna be a bad tradeoff with the animations but the upperbody of these players murder me. I know a ton of people play MoM, but for guys like me who play every game and see the players up close, models need to be redone.

5. Pitch break (for 2sfb and a few others)/hitting ratings - This is something that puzzles me to no end. Hitting ratings: How is it that batter ratings for video games do this: Contact left/right, Power left/right? That makes no sense what so ever. A batter is gonna have the same power no matter what hand the pitcher pitches from and liek wise the contact. I have played baseball all the way to minors and I hit the ball ball just as hard from a a left as I do a righty same as contact. There is no difference. The difference is the way a batter sees the ball therefore determines his ability to hit it is the outcome. I hit righties way bettewr becuase for me I see the ball better than I do a lefty. Thats how it should be rating wise. There should be ONE contact and ONE power rating. THEN a Left batter vision and right vision. That should determine the hitters window and ability to place his bat on the ball. Pitches should also have more movement to them. 2sfb should break more in towrads the hitters or vice versa.

Just some thigns that need to be fundamentally added. Create a team is nice but then again thats goin towards the Madden idea and just adding thigns and not fixing the things that have been a problem forever now. IMO...

6. New hitting/pitching controls - I am a HUGE fan of the analog sticks for hitting and pitching but thats just me. I also love the current hitting system because I actually take walks and am able to hold back on certain pitches I otherwise would swing at. This really isnt a big issue for me as the models and running animations are.

[Joey]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

While I disagree with you on several issues, I'll just pick one. How can you say someone doesn't have different ratings vs RH and LH pitchers? For example, let's take Adam Dunn's career splits.

vs RHP .258/259HR
vs LHP .235/95HR

So you're saying that he has the same power (& contact, for that matter) regardless of what side the ball is coming from? I get what you're saying to a point, that it's a matter of seeing the ball better, or possibly for some it's just a comfort-thing, but having the categories split into vs LH & vs RH seems the most logical way to determine outcomes to me.

All the create a teams sound nice but some things are def needed...mostly for franchise:

5. Pitch break (for 2sfb and a few others)/hitting ratings - This is something that puzzles me to no end. Hitting ratings: How is it that batter ratings for video games do this: Contact left/right, Power left/right? That makes no sense what so ever. A batter is gonna have the same power no matter what hand the pitcher pitches from and liek wise the contact. I have played baseball all the way to minors and I hit the ball ball just as hard from a a left as I do a righty same as contact. There is no difference. The difference is the way a batter sees the ball therefore determines his ability to hit it is the outcome. I hit righties way bettewr becuase for me I see the ball better than I do a lefty. Thats how it should be rating wise. There should be ONE contact and ONE power rating. THEN a Left batter vision and right vision. That should determine the hitters window and ability to place his bat on the ball. Pitches should also have more movement to them. 2sfb should break more in towrads the hitters or vice versa.

[BlackBetty15]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

While I disagree with you on several issues, I'll just pick one. How can you say someone doesn't have different ratings vs RH and LH pitchers? For example, let's take Adam Dunn's career splits.

vs RHP .258/259HR
vs LHP .235/95HR

So you're saying that he has the same power (& contact, for that matter) regardless of what side the ball is coming from? I get what you're saying to a point, that it's a matter of seeing the ball better, or possibly for some it's just a comfort-thing, but having the categories split into vs LH & vs RH seems the most logical way to determine outcomes to me.

Perfect example...Adam dunn is a powerful dude. It wouldnt matter what hand the pitcher is, if he connects that ball is going a long way regardless. His contact ability is gonna be the same regardless. Where batting average versus pitch splits lies in the abtters vision and his ability to see the ball and hit the ball. The dude has real trouble picking up balls from a left hand pitcher. Take this for instance...Have 2 friends or teamates (whatever) one of whom is left handed and another right handed. Get in the batter box and have them throw pitches right down the middle to you. Wont really matter the power because your gonna swing jsut as hard and make the same kind of contact with the ball if you hit it. Your not all the sudden be a weak swingin fool just because a lefty is throwin at you. Power is power. Contact is a skill rating and bat to ball abilites dont change. Either your a solid contact guy or your not. The batters eye and his ability to see the ball, that should be a factor. Heck I wouldnt really dispute the L/R batter contact since that I know is a hitting engine/sim stat factor. But the power is something that doesnt change no matter what. If I had it my way, The power would be one rating and leave the rest. I also liek the acceleration and speed ratings from the football games. That would be interesting to see in a baseball game.

[Knight165]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Perfect example...Adam dunn is a powerful dude. It wouldnt matter what hand the pitcher is, if he connects that ball is going a long way regardless. His contact ability is gonna be the same regardless. Where batting average versus pitch splits lies in the abtters vision and his ability to see the ball and hit the ball. The dude has real trouble picking up balls from a left hand pitcher. Take this for instance...Have 2 friends or teamates (whatever) one of whom is left handed and another right handed. Get in the batter box and have them throw pitches right down the middle to you. Wont really matter the power because your gonna swing jsut as hard and make the same kind of contact with the ball if you hit it. Your not all the sudden be a weak swingin fool just because a lefty is throwin at you. Power is power. Contact is a skill rating and bat to ball abilites dont change. Either your a solid contact guy or your not. The batters eye and his ability to see the ball, that should be a factor. Heck I wouldnt really dispute the L/R batter contact since that I know is a hitting engine/sim stat factor. But the power is something that doesnt change no matter what. If I had it my way, The power would be one rating and leave the rest. I also liek the acceleration and speed ratings from the football games. That would be interesting to see in a baseball game.

Sorry, you are absolutely positively wrong on this.
You can look no further than one player. Luis Castillo.
WHAAAAAT?....you might say...
In 5442 PA as a LHB vs. RHP he has 2 homeruns. TWO
In 1943 PA as a RBH vs. LHP he has 25 homeruns. That is 12 times as many homeruns in less than HALF the PA's.
How do you account for that if there is no difference in power vs.?
Let me save you the trouble. You cannot.
There need to be L/R splits and while you might disagree with the rating given to a player....they do work perfectly with the rating given.

M.K.
Knight165

[BlackBetty15]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

See its hard for me to explain some of this because I want to sit down with a dev techie and find out the logic behind some of the ratings and which ones determine what in the grand scheme of things. In my opinion, there a too many ratings that conflict with each other. For example, in pitching, there is a BB slider for a pitcher as well as a control slider for each pitch. Now I would think those two would conflict with each other because control is control, if a player decides to throw a pitch, the outcome should be based on the stamina, the type of pitch you choose as well as the ontrol of that pitch, placement, and the break. So now, add in a BB slider rating, it would seem that that would overide the above which in my mind doesnt make any sense. Johan santana can throw his best pitch (Cchange) for a strike at any time yet in the game it would be the BB slider rating that would determine the whole deal not the pitch itself. Walks and strikes need to be determined the pitches and the control of those pitches, the location in which the player pitches it, and the stamina at the time. Same can be said of batting. It doesnt make sense to have L/R power rating when power is power. I can prove that via youtube video with me hitting. I can understand L/R contact rating but in my mind again, I can put solid wood on the ball regardless of the hand its thrown from. What kills players is the way they see the ball therefore the window of contact is smaller. Like vladimer guerro, he can hit every bad pitch thats thrown so his contact should be high. He has an extroidinary ability to put the bat on ball. His patience and his vision are what get him into trouble at times. So I would think to simplify the game and ratings, just have one contact and one power ratings, AND then have a L/R vision with hitters patience. Its just a thought. 2K is extremly bad at having too many ratings that conflict with each other and thats why the sim engine is soooo messed up. SCEA has it right, its just that the two examples that I posted above kinda take away from certain outcomes that are pivotal in the game.

[BlackBetty15]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Sorry, you are absolutely positively wrong on this.
You can look no further than one player. Luis Castillo.
WHAAAAAT?....you might say...
In 5442 PA as a LHB vs. RHP he has 2 homeruns. TWO
In 1943 PA as a RBH vs. LHP he has 25 homeruns. That is 12 times as many homeruns in less than HALF the PA's.
How do you account for that if there is no difference in power vs.?
Let me save you the trouble. You cannot.
There need to be L/R splits and while you might disagree with the rating given to a player....they do work perfectly with the rating given.

M.K.
Knight165

So...and let me just say for the sake of argument...what you are saying is:

OK never mind, your adding in the fact that hes a switch hitter which THEN would warrant the L/R contact and L/R power. That should be a deal for SH only. But take the adam Dunn example, as a lefty hitter I dont care waht stats say, power is power brother. Just because I throw it to him from different hands it doesnt all the sudden make him weaker. Its as if the assumption is someones throwin a ball of kryptonite at him. I see what your saying but take the post I hit up above further explaining my little theory. I mena what I am saying is true to life examples, now how it translates into video games I might be over complicating the issue, but the what I am saying is real life knowledge. A hitters L/R vision and patience at the plate with the contact and power rating determines the split L/R outcome of the batters stats. Hopefully I am making sense.

[Skyboxer]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Sorry, you are absolutely positively wrong on this.
You can look no further than one player. Luis Castillo.
WHAAAAAT?....you might say...
In 5442 PA as a LHB vs. RHP he has 2 homeruns. TWO
In 1943 PA as a RBH vs. LHP he has 25 homeruns. That is 12 times as many homeruns in less than HALF the PA's.
How do you account for that if there is no difference in power vs.?
Let me save you the trouble. You cannot.
There need to be L/R splits and while you might disagree with the rating given to a player....they do work perfectly with the rating given.

M.K.
Knight165

I know what he's trying to say but isn't getting it out. The different ratings changes the successfulness of the batter with power numbers vs different armed pitchers.
In actuallity a player is going to have the same power vs lefty or righty.
However things like different angles the ball comes vs R and L will change contact area on bat, vision, timing etc... which gives the different averages and power numbers.
So basically the power numbers drop due to other factors other than power of the batter. When a Lefty comes in the batter doesn't suddenly get weaker(unless we are talking about a switch hitter then that's a possibility).

So we still need the split R vs L.
The game needs some system to get these results so the power VS R and L is used.

My take anyways....

[Joey]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Knight and Skyboxer are, I think, essentially saying the same thing I was. That in a video game, the logical way to generate simulated splits is by utilizing vs LH & vs RH ratings. It could be more complicated for sure, I'm just not sure why it needs to be.

[Knight165]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I still disagree.
There is something that causes a player to lose something vs. LHP or RHP...sometimes it's one way ....sometimes the other(against the grain so to speak)...and that be whether a straight LHB, RHP or switch hitter.
This absolutely needs to be translated into the game and I don't see any easier way than a power split.

M.K.
Knight165

[BlackBetty15]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I know what he's trying to say but isn't getting it out. The different ratings changes the successfulness of the batter with power numbers vs different armed pitchers.
In actuallity a player is going to have the same power vs lefty or righty.
However things like different angles the ball comes vs R and L will change contact area on bat, vision, timing etc... which gives the different averages and power numbers.
So basically the power numbers drop due to other factors other than power of the batter. When a Lefty comes in the batter doesn't suddenly get weaker(unless we are talking about a switch hitter then that's a possibility).

So we still need the split R vs L.
The game needs some system to get these results so the power VS R and L is used.

My take anyways....

Yea thats it...thanks skyboxer. LOL I always seem to make the simple things complicated. Anyhow, same as some of the pitcher ratings that is essentially what I am saying. Good news its not AS bad as the other baseball game which has so many ratings that offset each other that no wonder it doesnt sim or play out right.

[BlackBetty15]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I still disagree.
There is something that causes a player to lose something vs. LHP or RHP...sometimes it's one way ....sometimes the other(against the grain so to speak)...and that be whether a straight LHB, RHP or switch hitter.
This absolutely needs to be translated into the game and I don't see any easier way than a power split.

M.K.
Knight165

I see what your saying, my only rebutle is this: Whats the hit and HR slider for for the pitcher rating if? That should be a deciding factor to some extent in terms of whether or not a player takes him yard or not. Like if roy halladay hay a 99 HR then I would be lead to believe he would give up maybe 4-5 HRs in the entire year for example, so THAT in essence would kind of determine a players power in terms of HR stats. But power is MUCH more than jsut HR's. Its the frozen ropes, the doubles/triples in the alleys, the sharp liners that eat up the IF'ers.

[DiamondbacksLive]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Not the athlete cover!

[gantman2]

Futures Game in MLB The Show 11

I dont know about the rest of your but I really enjoy the Futures Game in real life and in The Show. I have a couple of ways to make it more realistic.

1. Have all of the players in the game wear their respective clubs hats on the field and not the generic USA and World hats.

2. Just because a prospect hasn't reached the Triple-A level yet doesnt mean that he doesn't have any minor league stats. They only show Triple-A stats and they show no stats for the year if the player isnt in the Triple-A. Thats easily fixable.

3. The World Team players should have the flag patch of the country they are from. This means in the Edit Player they should have a option where you put the country when it says not from US.

4. I think each team is only allowed 2 players from their farm system so if 3 players from your system are worthy to play in the game you should be able to pick which 2.

5. And the game should use common sense when it comes to picking players. I;ve seen Dallas Braden in the game 5 years into my franchise and countless time I've seen like 35+ players in the game. Lol I'm sorry they are not the future lol.

Thats just some food for thought. Thanks if you read

[Knight165]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

I see what your saying, my only rebutle is this: Whats the hit and HR slider for for the pitcher rating if? That should be a deciding factor to some extent in terms of whether or not a player takes him yard or not. Like if roy halladay hay a 99 HR then I would be lead to believe he would give up maybe 4-5 HRs in the entire year for example, so THAT in essence would kind of determine a players power in terms of HR stats. But power is MUCH more than jsut HR's. Its the frozen ropes, the doubles/triples in the alleys, the sharp liners that eat up the IF'ers.

It is.

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

Re: What do you suspect will B changed in '11?

Not the athlete cover!

In a way it is changed...since last year he was the COVER athlete...
This year it's the ATHLETE cover!

M.K.
Knight165