Four Keys to Success for MLB '11: The Show

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you play on the upper levels and its absolutely necessary.

I play on Legend (Hitting) and don't use the PCI/Left Stick.

[swaldo]

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replays are compressed thus meaning they have missing frames, which result in morphing and other things happening that don't actually take place during the gameplay. .

I won't argue replays are compressed or not, but I will argue there is still morphing going on. When you watch a fastball in slow-mo coming straight at a bat and sailing right through I don't think compression really matters. This could be possible I suppose with a pitch with a large break so I'm not saying you're incorrect.

Also, doesn't the contact slider effect ball morhing as well? Lower it all the way down and you'll be swinging at alot of pitches you swore you hit.

And how about balls morphing straight through the chest of a fielder? I think it's pretty obvious it's not compression. The CPU simply spits out "error" and there's just no stopping the ball no matter what.

[Heroesandvillains]

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replays are compressed thus meaning they have missing frames, which result in morphing and other things happening that don't actually take place during the gameplay.

Also the outcome of an at bat is determined by several factors/attributes. IMO, its basically:

user input + pitcher/batter attributes + pitcher confidence + luck = result.

Lets face it....sometimes in real life you can hit the ball right on the sweet spot and get that beautiful sound, only to make an out. Sometimes you are fooled, flip the bat at the ball and end up with a hit. Its baseball.

Minus the luck part, I agree with this.

[Heroesandvillains]

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I won't argue replays are compressed or not, but I will argue there is still morphing going on. When you watch a fastball in slow-mo coming straight at a bat and sailing right through I don't think compression really matters. This could be possible I suppose with a pitch with a large break so I'm not saying you're incorrect.

Also, doesn't the contact slider effect ball morhing as well? Lower it all the way down and you'll be swinging at alot of pitches you swore you hit.

And how about balls morphing straight through the chest of a fielder? I think it's pretty obvious it's not compression. The CPU simply spits out "error" and there's just no stopping the ball no matter what.

If you're refering to some plays being scripted, are you implying comeback code?

Think like a dev here. What do you suggest the reason behind the "morphing" is? I'm a little confused with your last two posts.

We can all agree that some weird stuff happens when the game gets slowed down. But I can't help but infer you suggesting some reasoning behind it that you're simply not saying.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here. Just trying to follow you on this.

[countryboy]

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I won't argue replays are compressed or not, but I will argue there is still morphing going on. When you watch a fastball in slow-mo coming straight at a bat and sailing right through I don't think compression really matters. This could be possible I suppose with a pitch with a large break so I'm not saying you're incorrect.

Compression is missing frames. I matters on all replays. You can't depict whats happening in a replay, in terms of morphing or vaccum effect, or any other anamoly and state for certain its happening during actual gameplay. Compression = missing frames which means it happens with every replay, no matter the pitch nor situation.

Also, doesn't the contact slider effect ball morhing as well? Lower it all the way down and you'll be swinging at alot of pitches you swore you hit.

I have no idea, I don't mess with sliders.

And how about balls morphing straight through the chest of a fielder? I think it's pretty obvious it's not compression. The CPU simply spits out "error" and there's just no stopping the ball no matter what.

During gameplay? I have yet to see the ball game straight thru a player's chest. If you're speaking in terms of replays, it more than likely the fact that replays are compressed.

[countryboy]

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I play on Legend (Hitting) and don't use the PCI/Left Stick.

and you're able to hit pitches up and down in the zone? I can't tell you the number of times that I've swung and missed a fastball or any other pitch with perfect timing because I simply missed the pitch.

[Heroesandvillains]

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I play on Legend (Hitting) and don't use the PCI/Left Stick.

Brett, you must have unshakable dicipline. That takes some talent, without striking out 15 times a game.

[MLB01]

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Brett, you must have unshakable dicipline. That takes some talent, without striking out 15 times a game.

He could actually be doing it if he has good discipline, yea. I changed my approach at the plate ( less chasing and more patience -- let the ball come to me kinda thing without using the left thumbstick ) and I draw more walks and hit better too. This is on Hall of Fame diff. I was chasing too much early in the count.

[Heroesandvillains]

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He could actually be doing it if he has good discipline, yea. I changed my approach at the plate ( less chasing and more patience -- let the ball come to me kinda thing without using the left thumbstick ) and I draw more walks and hit better too. This is on Hall of Fame diff. I was chasing too much early in the count.

Just curious, but why not use the same approach of patience, but continue to use the left stick? Or did you always swing only?

I believe both styles to be fine, btw.

Yeah, absolutely swing only can probably be done on high levels if you can find a way to deal with a confident pitcher. I personally have a hard time with that moving the left stick at will.

[swaldo]

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If you're refering to some plays being scripted, are you implying comeback code?

Think like a dev here. What do you suggest the reason behind the "morphing" is? I'm a little confused with your last two posts.

We can all agree that some weird stuff happens when the game gets slowed down. But I can't help but infer you suggesting some reasoning behind it that you're simply not saying.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here. Just trying to follow you on this.

Oh please not those words . All I'm talking about is putting results into the hands of the user. As much as possible, the more the merrier.

The morphing and such is happening because ratings and other factors (see Countyboy's post) are dictating results rather than user input. That's fine if I'm playing coach mode only, but if I'm controlling the action I want to be in charge of the results.

Nobody can deny that the CPU dictates some outcomes no matter what input a user provides, and I responded because someone was called a liar for stating such. It's not a lie, it's a fact. Just do a youtube search for 'The Show PCI hitting tutorial.' While the guy is teaching he gets all confused at the results he's getting while batting - and he's supposed to be an expert.

The PCI system is not bad. But if it's too easy for a poor hitter to hit a good pitcher don't give me random results. Instead, find ways to increase the difficulty so I'm still in charge of the action.

[HustlinOwl]

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I was stating lies because you PYS players come in here and stating that The Show hitting system is all random which it is not.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Swaldo, I understand you now. Thanks.

Your last paragraph has me thinking. Interesting idea there. Instead of turning solid contact into an out due to circumstance (country boy's formula), you'd rather see the hitting system just get harder, thus forcing you into poor contact with said poor hitter.

A change like this for '11 I could deal with.

Regardless, I'm convinced next year's title will be slightly more pitcher friendly, as to reflect the current state of pitching dominate baseball.

Personally, though not ideal, I'm not afraid of some game altering, under the hood type stat based pre-destiny stat engine. If it were to be subtle, giving the user most of the control, as long as my stats looked good I would welcome this. Honestly, a system like this may exist now...as some are implying.

Again, just to reiterate, I'm more of a baseball guy then a video game guy. I don't mind if I'm not 100% in control of my games outcomes (which I'm not sure whether I am or not now). Just to point out too, I currently don't feel as if the controller has been taken out of my hands. The user DOES provide plenty of input to the game's outcome. How much is what's debateable.

My only issue currently is the power attribute's dominance in regards to overall batting average. It's no gamebreaker though. My franchise is going great!

[MLB01]

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Just curious, but why not use the same approach of patience, but continue to use the left stick? Or did you always swing only?

I believe both styles to be fine, btw.

Yeah, absolutely swing only can probably be done on high levels if you can find a way to deal with a confident pitcher. I personally have a hard time with that moving the left stick at will.

No, before changing my approach, I used the left stick -- too much so. I couldn't hold back from chasing balls outside and inside. Plus, I would pop up lots of balls right over the plate cause I have a habit of aiming my swing downward.

I may try going back to using the left stick more and being patient just to see if I can actually do that instead of reaching for questionable pitches.

[countryboy]

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Oh please not those words . All I'm talking about is putting results into the hands of the user. As much as possible, the more the merrier.

The morphing and such is happening because ratings and other factors (see Countyboy's post) are dictating results rather than user input. That's fine if I'm playing coach mode only, but if I'm controlling the action I want to be in charge of the results.

Then why have ratings? Ratings have to account for something and my guess is that you're using that as the catapult for this "randomness" idea that you're chasing. If the sole purpose is to have the user's input dictate the outcomes of the action, then how are we to differentiate the difference between a good player and a poor player?

The answer, you can't. Ratings have to account for something. The user's input dictates how well those ratings are represented in any given situation.

The argument that the cpu/game randomly chooses outcomes can be argued to death in any video game. The fact of the matter is that the cpu/game has to determine the outcome to a certain degree, especially in sports games, where we as fans want to differentiate the difference between Albert Pujols and Brendan Ryan. The expression of ratings is what influence the game has over the outcome of any given situation. Its like that in the Show, NHL, NBA 2K, PYS, FIFA, Madden, UFC, Smackdown vs Raw, in any game where ratings are accounted how well an individual does in any given situation, the game has to have some influence over the outcome. Again, if its strictly user determined, then there is no need for ratings which means there is no way to differentiate between good players and bad.

[Knight165]

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Oh please not those words . All I'm talking about is putting results into the hands of the user. As much as possible, the more the merrier.

The morphing and such is happening because ratings and other factors (see Countyboy's post) are dictating results rather than user input. That's fine if I'm playing coach mode only, but if I'm controlling the action I want to be in charge of the results.

Nobody can deny that the CPU dictates some outcomes no matter what input a user provides, and I responded because someone was called a liar for stating such. It's not a lie, it's a fact. Just do a youtube search for 'The Show PCI hitting tutorial.' While the guy is teaching he gets all confused at the results he's getting while batting - and he's supposed to be an expert.

The PCI system is not bad. But if it's too easy for a poor hitter to hit a good pitcher don't give me random results. Instead, find ways to increase the difficulty so I'm still in charge of the action.

I think 60 or so guys at SCEA "deny" it.....and call me crazy, but I think they should know!

M.K.
Knight165