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  • BatsareBugs
    LVP
    • Feb 2003
    • 12553

    #136
    Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

    Originally posted by Scottdau
    I agree. But the weight is for the future.
    That is true. People say the same thing with Tony Gwynn.

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    • BatsareBugs
      LVP
      • Feb 2003
      • 12553

      #137
      Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

      Originally posted by bp4baseball
      Just hope they didnt snub any Braves players :wink:
      I'm surprised I haven't had anyone criticize me for not listing Jason Heyward in RF.

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      • Scottdau
        Banned
        • Feb 2003
        • 32580

        #138
        Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

        Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
        That is true. People say the same thing with Tony Gwynn.
        Yeah but at that age Tony was pretty thin. But I agree.

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        • Speedy
          #Ace
          • Apr 2008
          • 16143

          #139
          Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

          Originally posted by Scottdau
          ...the weight is for the future.
          Horrible response Scott. I tried telling the misses that and had to sleep on the couch...
          Originally posted by Gibson88
          Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
          It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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          • Curyy94
            Banned
            • Dec 2010
            • 86

            #140
            Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

            Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
            I'm high for putting a guy with one of the better speed, base running abilities, defense, and plate discipline? I'm sorry, but he is exactly what Jose Reyes was at his age. What's the difference between him and Reyes? Jose obviously has better power, slightly better speed, less plate discipline and less durability.

            And for the record, I'm a San Diego Padre fan.
            He might have slightly better speed but reyes is still a wayyyyyyy better base stealer. BTW Jose reyes was way better at this age....

            Andrus(age 21-22) season

            .265
            32 steals with 15 caught stolen (horrible for a young speedster)
            0 homeruns (in texas ballpark)
            3 triples
            15 doubles
            88 runs

            Reyes(age 21-22) season
            .273
            60 steals with 15 caught stolen (led the league in steals)
            7 homeruns (in a much bigger shea)
            24 doubles
            17 triples (led the league)
            99 runs.

            As you see you were wrong about the same skill level at same age. Reyes was WAY better. Way better in stolen bases, homeruns, hitting doubles and triples and better in runs, slightly better in average.

            So yeah...that ends that debate.

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            • Knight165
              *ll St*r
              • Feb 2003
              • 24964

              #141
              Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

              Originally posted by bp4baseball
              Just hope they didnt snub any Braves players :wink:
              Ramone is actually removing the Braves franchise from the game right now....and as a further stick it up your *** to Braves fans....in 2014 in the game, Greg Maddux gets inducted into the H.O.F. wearing a Cubs cap.

              M.K.
              Knight165
              All gave some. Some gave all. 343

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              • Speedy
                #Ace
                • Apr 2008
                • 16143

                #142
                Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                But where will Ramone put his character at? He always plays catcher for Atlanta?

                Spoiler
                Originally posted by Gibson88
                Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                • EnigmaNemesis
                  Animal Liberation
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 12216

                  #143
                  Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                  Originally posted by Knight165
                  Ramone is actually removing the Braves franchise from the game right now....and as a further stick it up your *** to Braves fans....in 2014 in the game, Greg Maddux gets inducted into the H.O.F. wearing a Cubs cap.

                  M.K.
                  Knight165
                  Oh no you dinnit!

                  Boston Red Sox | Miami Dolphins

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                  • bp4baseball
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 1315

                    #144
                    Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                    Originally posted by Knight165
                    Ramone is actually removing the Braves franchise from the game right now....and as a further stick it up your *** to Braves fans....in 2014 in the game, Greg Maddux gets inducted into the H.O.F. wearing a Cubs cap.

                    M.K.
                    Knight165
                    Lol.....I can just see the look on their faces...
                    Though Russell must consider the consequences....

                    It's worth it
                    "Life is like baseball, it's the number of times you arrive home safely that counts"

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                    • Curyy94
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 86

                      #145
                      Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                      I think at the end of this year we will all be ripping mauer off the cover and putting josh thole their

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                      • BatsareBugs
                        LVP
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 12553

                        #146
                        Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                        Originally posted by Curyy94
                        He might have slightly better speed but reyes is still a wayyyyyyy better base stealer. BTW Jose reyes was way better at this age....

                        Andrus(age 21-22) season

                        .265
                        32 steals with 15 caught stolen (horrible for a young speedster)
                        0 homeruns (in texas ballpark)
                        3 triples
                        15 doubles
                        88 runs

                        Reyes(age 21-22) season
                        .273
                        60 steals with 15 caught stolen (led the league in steals)
                        7 homeruns (in a much bigger shea)
                        24 doubles
                        17 triples (led the league)
                        99 runs.

                        As you see you were wrong about the same skill level at same age. Reyes was WAY better. Way better in stolen bases, homeruns, hitting doubles and triples and better in runs, slightly better in average.

                        So yeah...that ends that debate.
                        Oh crap, an inconsistent argument on my part. Reyes definitely still has the better speed. I think I mentioned that a couple of pages ago but I mixed it up during the flurry of responses.

                        So maybe I overstated Andrus at his current level. However, the present is different, so I will go ahead and lay this out so you can see whether present numbers dictate whether I drop Andrus and raise Reyes up (Also, after viewing last year's top 5 for SS, it makes no sense to me for Reyes to drop nearly a full letter grade, so I'm already bumping him up to an A- in overall)

                        Contact: Reyes (.282/.279/.297) over Andrus (.265/.267) Average
                        Power: Reyes (11/2/19 HR) over Andrus (0/6) HR
                        CNT and PWR: Reyes (103/101/118) over Andrus (75/82) OPS+
                        Clutch: Irrelevant for leadoff hitters
                        Vision: Reyes (63/19/82) over Andrus (96/77) K
                        Discipline: Andrus (64/40) over Reyes (31/18/66) BB
                        Speed: Reyes slightly over Andrus, but both in the A range
                        Baserunning Ability: Reyes (30/10; 11/2; 56/15) slightly over Andrus (32/15; 33/6) SB/CS
                        Baserunning Aggressiveness: Andrus (47/39) tied with Reyes (40/13/71) Stolen Base Attempts
                        Durability: Andrus (148/145) over Reyes (133/36/159) Games Playd

                        Defense:
                        Reyes gets nod. Both are terrific, but Reyes is more seasoned and was great to begin with. Okay, that's not statistical evidence like UZR or FLD%, but defense in this game is more so from the player's abilities rather than simply replicating the numbers seen under such categories, or we'd have some whacked out ratings year-to-year.

                        So now that I've done my own research and put it out for you to see, this is why I'm changing my tune. Not because of (he has X and X better than him), but solid all-around evidence.
                        Last edited by BatsareBugs; 01-20-2011, 12:37 AM.

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                        • Curyy94
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 86

                          #147
                          Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                          Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
                          Oh crap, an inconsistent argument on my part. Reyes definitely still has the better speed. I think I mentioned that a couple of pages ago but I mixed it up during the flurry of responses.

                          So maybe I overstated Andrus at his current level. However, the present is different, so I will go ahead and lay this out so you can see whether present numbers dictate whether I drop Andrus and raise Reyes up (Also, after viewing last year's top 5 for SS, it makes no sense to me for Reyes to drop nearly a full letter grade, so I'm already bumping him up to an A- in overall)

                          Contact: Reyes (.282/.279/.297) over Andrus (.265/.267) Average
                          Power: Reyes (11/2/19 HR) over Andrus (0/6) HR
                          CNT and PWR: Reyes (103/101/118) over Andrus (75/82) OPS+
                          Clutch: Irrelevant for leadoff hitters
                          Vision: Reyes (63/19/82) over Andrus (96/77) K
                          Discipline: Andrus (64/40) over Reyes (31/18/66) BB
                          Speed: Reyes slightly over Andrus, but both in the A range
                          Baserunning Ability: Reyes (30/10; 11/2; 56/15) slightly over Andrus (32/15; 33/6) SB/CS
                          Baserunning Aggressiveness: Andrus (47/39) tied with Reyes (40/13/71) Stolen Base Attempts
                          Durability: Andrus (148/145) over Reyes (133/36/159) Games Playd

                          Defense:
                          Reyes gets nod. Both are terrific, but Reyes is more seasoned and was great to begin with. Okay, that's not statistical evidence like UZR or FLD%, but defense in this game is more so from the player's abilities rather than simply replicating the numbers seen under such categories, or we'd have some whacked out ratings year-to-year.

                          So now that I've done my own research and put it out for you to see, this is why I'm changing my tune. Not because of (he has X and X better than him), but solid all-around evidence.
                          The ironic thing is I think andrus is a beter defender. Reyes has mental lapses way too often.

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                          • BatsareBugs
                            LVP
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 12553

                            #148
                            Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                            Originally posted by Curyy94
                            The ironic thing is I think andrus is a beter defender. Reyes has mental lapses way too often.
                            Hard to tell where both players will fall on defense ratings-wise since no one knows what the new defensive ratings exactly are.

                            In any case, I'll be re-evaluating my list in my spare time.

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                            • Curyy94
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 86

                              #149
                              Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

                              It was actually pretty fun debating this. Lets do it some more!

                              David Wright is the #1 3B, thats right hes better than zimmerman, longoria, a rod, rolen, beltre!

                              anyone disagree?

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                              • EnigmaNemesis
                                Animal Liberation
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 12216

                                #150
                                Youkilis? !
                                Boston Red Sox | Miami Dolphins

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