Previews of Top 10 at each position?

[BatsareBugs]

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Reyes has better power....he plays in citi....and plus hes had 19 in shea thats saying something.... He is actually really strong. And Im just stresing the fact hes a game changer! He makes oponents change their gameplan! His skills and talents always shift the way the games are going. Theirs a reason why when he scores 1 run or more the mets are about a .700 ballclub, and they are so lackluster without him.

Alexei is just a solid bat in the lineup with a good glove he doesn't change much.

Just some stuff first.

Reyes about 10 home runs the past three years, 14 or so with injuries taken into consideration. The game doesn't care what park he's hitting in, meaning his ratings for power will be average which is most likely less than Alexei Ramirez.

Why do I say this? Well, everyone know Adrian has monster power numbers away from PETCO right? Yet because he only gets around 30 or so, he's rated just at an 80 or so for power so when the game is simulated, his power numbers would most likely reflect that 30 or so HR total for the season.

Again, take off the homer goggles. There's no "gamechanger" ability. It's built in with speed, power, contact, and all the other ratings.

[BatsareBugs]

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1.hanley ramirez
2.troy tulo / jose reyes
3.troy tulo / hanley ramirez
4.j roll
5.andrus/drew/alexei/jeter

simple as thattttttt

No it's not.

If you have a legit argument that you can back it up with an objective point-of-view, then do it. But if you keep ignoring certain aspects of what goes into the ratings and what the Top 10 may look like, then stop beating a dead horse.

There is no way Jose Reyes is the second base shortstop.

[Curyy94]

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Just some stuff first.

Reyes about 10 home runs the past three years, 14 or so with injuries taken into consideration. The game doesn't care what park he's hitting in, meaning his ratings for power will be average which is most likely less than Alexei Ramirez.

Why do I say this? Well, everyone know Adrian has monster power numbers away from PETCO right? Yet because he only gets around 30 or so, he's rated just at an 80 or so for power so when the game is simulated, his power numbers would most likely reflect that 30 or so HR total for the season.

Again, take off the homer goggles. There's no "gamechanger" ability. It's built in with speed, power, contact, and all the other ratings.

homer?

I think johan santana sucks, carlos beltran and jason bay are overated, k rod is overated, and the mets will finish in 3rd/4th place. I am not a homer sir.

I'm talking about real life not the game....even though i should be takling about the game. I'm talking about real life...

[BatsareBugs]

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Y'awl need to stop posting in this thread...I keep thinking I'll actually see a preview!

Agreed. I will defend my predictions and make changes accordingly if there is actual solid evidence, but some people need to set aside their personal biases.

However, it'll keep going on since some people feel their guy isn't ranked at the right spot. I wouldn't be surprised when the actual top 10's start coming out, the same people arguing why their player should be top 3 here will be doing the same when they find out their player isn't as rosy as the ratings indicate they are.

[Curyy94]

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Agreed. I will defend my predictions and make changes accordingly if there is actual solid evidence, but some people need to set aside their personal biases.

However, it'll keep going on since some people feel their guy isn't ranked at the right spot. I wouldn't be surprised when the actual top 10's start coming out, the same people arguing why their player should be top 3 here will be doing the same when they find out their player isn't as rosy as the ratings indicate they are.

biased? You had Andrus 3rd!!! your either a rangers fan or really high.

[BatsareBugs]

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homer?

I think johan santana sucks, carlos beltran and jason bay are overated, k rod is overated, and the mets will finish in 3rd/4th place. I am not a homer sir.

I'm talking about real life not the game....even though i should be takling about the game. I'm talking about real life...

Again, the top 10 is in reference to the game, not real-life. And no one said anything about Johan Santana, Carlos Beltran, et al. The fact that in your recent top 5 that you posted to show me how "simple" the top 5 SS are shows that you are homer when you think Jose Reyes is currently at the same level as Troy Tulowitzki. The fact that people are arguing about the spots after the top 2 shows you it isn't as simple.

[Curyy94]

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Again, the top 10 is in reference to the game, not real-life. And no one said anything about Johan Santana, Carlos Beltran, et al. The fact that in your recent top 5 that you posted to show me how "simple" the top 5 SS are shows that you are homer when you think Jose Reyes is currently at the same level as Troy Tulowitzki. The fact that people are arguing about the spots after the top 2 shows you it isn't as simple.

Troys good....scratch that great. But So is reyes when healthy. Im fine with you saying troy is better i respect that thats actually argueable unlike alexei or andrus. But I beleive reyes is 2nd best and if you beleive troy is better ill give you that, but alexei and andrus are way below the reyes troy hanley level.

[BatsareBugs]

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biased? You had Andrus 3rd!!! your either a rangers fan or really high.

I'm high for putting a guy with one of the better speed, base running abilities, defense, and plate discipline? I'm sorry, but he is exactly what Jose Reyes was at his age. What's the difference between him and Reyes? Jose obviously has better power, slightly better speed, less plate discipline and less durability.

And for the record, I'm a San Diego Padre fan.

[Scottdau]

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I'm pretty sure Sandoval's problems were not related to his weight but moreso with off-field stuff. He's a still a good third basemen and is still young, so it's hard to see that he should be bumped much ratings-wise.

I agree. But the weight is for the future.

[Knight165]

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Boy...this is gonna be as fun as putting your head through a windshield when SCEA puts up their top 5!!!

M.K.
Knight165

[BatsareBugs]

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Troys good....scratch that great. But So is reyes when healthy. Im fine with you saying troy is better i respect that thats actually argueable unlike alexei or andrus. But I beleive reyes is 2nd best and if you beleive troy is better ill give you that, but alexei and andrus are way below the reyes troy hanley level.

When healthy.

That's the key point, Reyes hasn't been healthy the past two seasons. If he had been, there wouldn't be a debate because the ratings would reflect, but the reality is that he's been banged up and as a result his ratings will take a hit in durability to reflect that as well as a slight drop in discipline due to the reduced number of walks and power. Meanwhile, Andrus and Alexei have played more than Reyes and common logic indicates that both players would improve at least slightly.

If Reyes had stayed healthy, he'd be up there with Hanley and Tulowitzki and instead of arguing between him, Andrus, and Alexei, it'd be him Hanley and Tulowitzki.

[MLB Bob]

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Reyes has definitly been hindered by injuries and what not for a few years...so yes he has declined "ratings" wise in this game..since it looks at the last 3 years..I guess its hard to compare guys at different stages in their careers and different styles...but Reyes before his injuries had a UZR rating 11.7 which is higher than Ramirez one good year of UZR of 10.8 ramirez rightly or wrongly has had 20 errors the past 2 years..reyes has never had 20 errors..(but that stat is so subjective, as most stats are because they only calculate what you want them to...want a different answer ad a different calculation or another stat to the equation) Jose reyes was a 6.0 WAR rating in 2008 and dropped to .9 in 2009 and steadily increased back to 2.8 by 2010
ramirez was .9, 2.2 and now is a 3.8 so same time frame looks like reyes is on his way back..fairly comparable just 1 year difference..but reyes was hurt ramirez wasnt...reyes is a solid top of the order hitter..ramirez spent more time at the bottom of the lineup where traditionally they come at ya a little different...Im gonna go with a healthy reyes over ramirez...ramirez is so skinny and fragile looking id be surprised if he stays health his whole career..unless no one ever touches him

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

Boy...this is gonna be as fun as putting your head through a windshield when SCEA puts up their top 5!!!

M.K.
Knight165

Definitely. I just searched for the old threads and it is indeed a top 5 for each position. I adjust my 90 out of 110 to 45 out of 55.

We had a whole brouhaha last year when Reyes was listed ahead of Ramirez when both had the same overall rating in MLB 10' The Show.

[bp4baseball]

Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

Boy...this is gonna be as fun as putting your head through a windshield when SCEA puts up their top 5!!!

M.K.
Knight165

Just hope they didnt snub any Braves players :wink:

[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Previews of Top 10 at each position?

Boy...this is gonna be as fun as putting your head through a windshield when SCEA puts up their top 5!!!

M.K.
Knight165

Indeed!