A No-No during a "No-No"

[cardsleadtheway]

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No, they just said something to the effect of "And there it is, the first hit of the game." I don't remember the exact words as I was throwing stuff at my TV (just kidding). That would have been cool if they had mentioned something though.

I remember in 10 I had a no hitter going and someone tried to lay down a bunt. It was unsuccessful, but the announcers mentioned the unwritten rule and said something about him probably getting hit next time up to bat.

[SoxFan01605]

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This is what I was hoping for because everyone has a different opinion. I love it. I just thought it would be a fun topic to discuss.



It was a 3-0 game in the 6th inning with 1 out. I had walked 2 in the game, and Figgins was the leadoff hitter (not of the inning, of the game). Also there was no one on base at the time.

A lot of these unwritten rules are a matter of perspective, and obviously that perspective will likely depend on which side of it you fall on when it happens...lol.

I think the spirit of the rule is simply don't bunt to break up a no-hitter just for the sake of breaking it up. I think your situation falls into the gray area in terms of "ethics" or unwritten rules. The game is close enough that trying to get on any way you can and scratch across a run is perfectly acceptable (though still annoying, I'm sure).

When it happened to Schilling (it was D-Backs against the Padres, btw) it was a similar score. I recall someone at the time saying something like "You can't fault guys for trying to win ballgames." That's kind of where I would fall in.

[chrishthomas]

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A lot of these unwritten rules are a matter of perspective, and obviously that perspective will likely depend on which side of it you fall on when it happens...lol.

I think the spirit of the rule is simply don't bunt to break up a no-hitter just for the sake of breaking it up . . .

This is a decent summary statement, I've even heard someone say something to the effect of, "Okay, forget it's a no-hitter, if the score were 7-2, or 8-1, whatever...would you still be bunting? If the answer is no, then don't do it just to break up the no-hitter."

[Siddo4ty4]

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Whitey Herzog said "You tell your home run hitters to stop trying to hit home runs and I'll tell my base stealers to stop stealing bases". LOL Classic.

I think the spirit of the rule is simply don't bunt to break up a no-hitter just for the sake of breaking it up . . . - AGREED!

And I also agree that if this happens in the game the announcers should make a comment about it like the other unwritten rules they mention.

[maddguuns]

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The 'unwritten rule' we're talking about is more along the lines of "if you're down by 8 in the 9th during a no-hitter, don't bunt". I played some minor league ball and this is a situation that would get us juiced if broken. 5th, 6th, 7th, down by a few, whatever...play to score and win. Last three outs, down by a million, don't bunt.

I agree with it to an extent. If a pitcher is closing in on something like that, you don't spoil it for them at the very end. Same thing if a hitter is a single away from the cycle in the ninth, you don't intential walk him. It's common etiquette...you let them try without giving up.

[il blood il]

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yeah it was aganist schilling but the difference was that the game was a 1-0 game...its not fair to the other team who is trying to win a game rather then get no hit...if the game was 3-0 then i'll say i'll hit the guy next time up but 1-0 is a different story

[CabreraMVP]

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I actually just got a book yesterday about the unwritten rules of the game. I'm only 1 chapter in, but it starts off with Nolan Ryan and Robin Ventura fighting and how it all ties into that. Good read so far.

[Chef Matt]

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I actually just got a book yesterday about the unwritten rules of the game. I'm only 1 chapter in, but it starts off with Nolan Ryan and Robin Ventura fighting and how it all ties into that. Good read so far.

I read that book. Great book. I love how it goes into plays and things we've seen on TV and what not and gets perspective from the players and coaches. Very good read indeed.

[HechticSooner]

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I Think the unwritten Baseball rules are BS in no hitters.

What is so special about a no hitter if the guys hitting in the late innings aren't trying to get hits???

Let's say you got a kid trying to make a name for himself in the majors, trying to stay with the big league club, how can you expect him not to try to get on base anyway he can? He's trying to stay alive in the majors. Lets say he has speed and whoever is on the mound is just unhittable. This guy has all the right in the world to lay down a bunt and try to get on base. That's his game. He's got to show the manager what he can do. Let say they are down 5-0. A 5 run comeback starts with 1 run. They are trying to win the game.

No hitters wouldn't be very special if the offensive team had to lay down like dogs in the 6th inning and just totally give up. They are trying to win the game and get hits. And once the batter is restricted by "the unwritten rules" you've lost all integrity.

QFT! I have always felt that the unwritten rules were mostly unwritten because they are b.s. and should have been burned out of our minds long ago. The team that is getting no hit should be doing whatever it can for the entire game to get on base and get something going anyway they can.

If this were not true does it mean that if you are throwing a perfect game and I'm ahead at the plate 3-0 that I need to swing at everything so that I don't allow you to walk me. Some might say "of course not" but to me it sounds the exact same as the no bunt rule. You're job out there on the field is to play defense, and the job of the guys at the plate is to get the ball somewhere that makes it impossible for that defense to get me out, end of story!

[cardsleadtheway]

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QFT! I have always felt that the unwritten rules were mostly unwritten because they are b.s. and should have been burned out of our minds long ago. The team that is getting no hit should be doing whatever it can for the entire game to get on base and get something going anyway they can.

If this were not true does it mean that if you are throwing a perfect game and I'm ahead at the plate 3-0 that I need to swing at everything so that I don't allow you to walk me. Some might say "of course not" but to me it sounds the exact same as the no bunt rule. You're job out there on the field is to play defense, and the job of the guys at the plate is to get the ball somewhere that makes it impossible for that defense to get me out, end of story!

Perhaps you never played baseball before. The unwritten rules of baseball are there for a reason. Perhaps some are stupid reasons, but others are for protection. The beauty of unwritten rules is that you can break them any time you want; you just have to be aware of the consequences. Go ahead and break up that no hitter with a bunt. You will most definitely get drilled the next time up to bat, and perhaps the time after that.

[Bobhead]

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Perhaps you never played baseball before. The unwritten rules of baseball are there for a reason. Perhaps some are stupid reasons, but others are for protection. The beauty of unwritten rules is that you can break them any time you want; you just have to be aware of the consequences. Go ahead and break up that no hitter with a bunt. You will most definitely get drilled the next time up to bat, and perhaps the time after that.

If my team is being no-hit in real life, this is just more incentive for me to want to lay a bunt down. You are more than welcome to drill me in my next at-bat, because thats just another rally opportunity. 2 productive at-bats just for holding my bat at a weird angle? I'll take it.

[sydrogerdavid]

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I actually just got a book yesterday about the unwritten rules of the game. I'm only 1 chapter in, but it starts off with Nolan Ryan and Robin Ventura fighting and how it all ties into that. Good read so far.

I read that book. Great book. I love how it goes into plays and things we've seen on TV and what not and gets perspective from the players and coaches. Very good read indeed.

Name of the book, please.

[DaronAndrew]

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I despise Chone Figgins! I believe the Angels are paying him to suck for us For a little man, he's got a big, annoying ego.

[cardsleadtheway]

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Name of the book, please.

"
The Baseball Codes: Beanballs, Sign Stealing, and Bench-Clearing Brawls: The Unwritten Rules of America's Pastime"

[BatsareBugs]

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This happened in real life a couple years ago. I wanna say one of the teams was the D-Backs, and I forget the other one.

Anyway, the guy who laid down the successful bunt to break up the no-no was destroyed on sports talk radio for "breaking the code", even though it was something like a 2-0 score, and I think it was in the later innings. A small number of fans took up for him and said "he's trying to help his team win", but an overwhelming majority of fans were saying how bush the play was....

Anybody recall what I'm talking about?

It was Ben Davis who bunted in the bottom of the 8th I believe. Even though it didn't lead to a run, Schilling ended up giving up a couple of more hits and run in the bottom of the ninth.