The CPU decides the game....

[BigTone1970]

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First, if people read my previous posts then u will see that I am not saying that every time I time my swings perfectly should I receive a home run or base hit. Sometimes the balls that are crushed end up in someone's glove. But like the last poster said, you can't turn a .200 hitter into a legitimate hitter. I understand this logic, but it is a video game. So basically, should I play with a better team or just accept that my success is predetermined by the CPU.

And to gentleman who goes into great depth analyzing hitting, what separates major leaguers from the rest of us is that they crush mistakes and pitches that they are locked onto. Yes they miss sometimes, but when they time swings perfectly they have a high success rate. The reality is that most of the time they are not perfect with their timing and they are reacting to pitches in the strike zone. I am not talking about being rewarded for being close. I am talking being rewarded for being perfect. My reward should be hard contact even if it results in an out. I want to decide the outcome. After all it's a video game.

[HustlinOwl]

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I want to decide the outcome. After all it's a video game.

again then move from Timing to Zone Hitting

[thaSLAB]

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First, if people read my previous posts then u will see that I am not saying that every time I time my swings perfectly should I receive a home run or base hit. Sometimes the balls that are crushed end up in someone's glove. But like the last poster said, you can't turn a .200 hitter into a legitimate hitter. I understand this logic, but it is a video game.

And to gentleman who goes into great depth analyzing hitting, what separates major leaguers from the rest of us is that they crush mistakes and pitches that they are locked onto. Yes they miss sometimes, but when they time swings perfectly they have a high success rate. The reality is that most of the time they are not perfect with their timing and they are reacting to pitches in the strike zone. I am not talking about being rewarded for being close. I am talking being rewarded for being perfect. My reward should be hard contact even if it results in an out. I want to decide the outcome. After all it's a video game.

I think you are looking for a more arcadish game, than simulation... in the game, and in real life, there isn't really a such thing as "perfect" timing/contact. If there was a way to display this in real life, you would probably see a lot of players with "perfect" timing/contact that ended up as an out. And in contrast, a guy who swings off balance, barely contacting a seam and ends up on 1st base. After all, that is only part of the equation for a hit... you can hit it well, but in the end, you have to hit it where they ain't. And that high success rate you speak of? You mean ~.325 percent of the time? Hank Aaron said it best - baseball is a game of failures.

I think the game simulates baseball very well, I know that I've had times where I felt robbed, but there have been plenty of times I got hits I probably didn't deserve. That's baseball tho... (see Kelly Shoppach for reference, LOL.) Video game-wise, you'll also never have complete control, but you can possibly gain more control by switching to zone hitting.

So basically, should I play with a better team or just accept that my success is predetermined by the God.

I sometimes wonder if this is how the Astros or Royals feel.

[Galvatron]

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Yeah you should probably look into zone hitting with decreased pitch speed, it's gonna give you the type of control it sounds like your asking for. I mean seriously, how much fun would the game be if EVERY pitch you timed perfectly results in success? ALL the time? Plenty of times in the big leagues a perfectly timed swing on mistake pitches results in foul balls, line drives, or fly outs.

Unless you want your team batting over .800 overall or something, the game has to be this way to some degree because as you said, it is a VIDEO game, but a also a SIMULATION, as in simulating a REAL game.

[Padgoi]

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again then move from Timing to Zone Hitting

I've been saying this forever. In my opinion, I want to be able to dictate how good a season ARod or Jeter or Cano has. This can only be achieved using Zone Hitting because Timed Hitting bases their future stats on previous stats. If you want full control, use Zone. It's that simple. And much more rewarding IMO.

[treyraq]

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Just another suggestion--

Maybe create yourself in ROAD TO THE SHOW?
That way you can only play your at-bats, and maybe that will either drive you to improve "your" attributes or to switch to and attempt to learn/perfect zone hitting. It might even be funner for you playing "yourself."

Like I said, I've never truly enjoyed hitting in The Show, and I did this right off the bat with '11 as a way to 'practice' hitting. I got through two full seasons in a few weeks, and it actually kept my interest. I started on Timing but when I sort of felt the same you feel now, I switched to Zone and kept at it. Honestly I have again lost interest and finally started my '11 Franchise Manage-only season...which is the whole reason I own the game.

[Armor and Sword]

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Sorry, but hitting the enter button still doesn't change what I am saying.

Anyways, I shouldn't have to change the settings of the game to get realistic results and to have some feeling of having using input affect the results of a VIDEO game. Anyone that has ever played baseball knows that hitting a baseball requires reaction, not pre-planning. Yes you can look for a ball in a certain spot, but mostly, when you have 2 strikes on you, you are swinging at strikes.

When I was successful as a baseball player, it was because I was swinging at strikes, and my hand/eye coordination automatically took over and contact was made. It was not because I looked at a certain area, it was because I had trained to swing at strikes and knew where the strike zone was. Timing hitting is the closest to this because you have to make one decision and that decision is simply to swing or not to swing. Everything else was done naturally.

With that being said, the few responders are saying that maybe I am playing the wrong mode (not using zone hitting) or to raise the PCI level. That let's me know that I am correct about my original post because I am subjecting myself to the randomness of the CPU and that my skill (or lack of) has no bearing on the outcome of a VIDEO game. I am merely a spectator. I am playing a game mode that says that timing is the only factor that I can control, yet I am not being rewarded when I am successful. Like I said in the first post, I don't mind getting out, but the ball should be hit hard somewhere, not missed/just missed/weak contact because then I am not in control of a VIDEO game. Isn't that the point of playing a VIDEO game, to be in control?

It is not real life. The closest way to get to that is zone hitting. I am also a long time ball player. Played hardball till I was 30. Been playing softball ever since. Played all through high school and college.

This game is as close to a simulation of baseball I have ever played on a console. I use timing hitting as I like the fact player rating, stats, pitch type etc have a role in dictating the outcome. Otherwise I would be playing RBI baseball all over again and hitting 75 HR's and hitting .450 (although zone hiting is very challenging and I used that method for years on the 2009 version).

Think of it as Stratomatic or Statis-Pro baseball. It is a random dice roll or fast action card. The better your player the better the odds that your perfectly timed swing will yield a base hit or double whatever.

What I care about in a baseball game is a sound representation of the game. And the Show is flat out the best ever.

If it is too frustrating for you I suggest maybe you should play a different game. Have you tried MLB 2K11? I never have but maybe The Show is not for you. Or try out RTTS and create yourself and work on making your player a stud.

I have seen this exact complaint about the game 1000's of times in reviews by Amazon users and here at OS. You either like the system and how it makes the game random and full of variables (like real baseball) or you don't.

Hey and IRL I remember many times I hit the ball right on the sweet spot and stroked it.....only to find a glove. Or I tim a pitch perfect only to top it or hit it off the end of the bat or the handle.


That's baseball.

[berenjena]

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I think I found what you were looking for!

[BigTone1970]

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So let me get this straight. I complain because I want to be able to influence the results of a video game, with my main gripe being that when I use timing hitting and I am perfect with my timing, then I should make solid contact, even if it results in an out. I have never asked to hit a million home runs but when I am 70 games into a season, my pitching staff has an E.R.A. under 4.00, my team batting avg. is .237, and I am 13 games under .500 on all-star level, I know that there are factors out of my control that are determining my teams performance. What I get in response is that:

A.) Accept the randomness of the CPU as most people have.
B.) Switch to zone hitting as most of the posters have done because they have discovered that this is the way to have an effect on the game.
C.) Don't use weak teams because the CPU is so accurate that those teams don't really have a chance and that a marginal player won't have a breakout year using this video game. I guess we all saw Jose Bautista leading the majors in HR's before last year right?
D.) I should switch to an arcade game.
E.) Which leads me to conclude that my original statement is that the CPU decides the game.

Thanks to all that have given thoughtful statements and to those who don't see what I am saying, realize that you are playing a video game. Or is it a computer simulation with pretty graphics? Don't get me wrong, the Show is a great game, but understand it is a game. If I pick the Royals as my team and I am willing to spend the entire season using them and making sure that I am perfectly timing my swings, then I should have a legitimate chance with them everytime I play. Because after all, it is a game. Instead of blindly defending the game, understand what I am griping about. Everyone wants to take their team and win, not just use the powerhouse teams.

[Knight165]

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So let me get this straight. I complain because I want to be able to influence the results of a video game, with my main gripe being that when I use timing hitting and I am perfect with my timing, then I should make solid contact, even if it results in an out. I have never asked to hit a million home runs but when I am 70 games into a season, my pitching staff has an E.R.A. under 4.00, my team batting avg. is .237, and I am 13 games under .500 on all-star level, I know that there are factors out of my control that are determining my teams performance. What I get in response is that:

A.) Accept the randomness of the CPU as most people have.
B.) Switch to zone hitting as most of the posters have done because they have discovered that this is the way to have an effect on the game.
C.) Don't use weak teams because the CPU is so accurate that those teams don't really have a chance and that a marginal player won't have a breakout year using this video game. I guess we all saw Jose Bautista leading the majors in HR's before last year right?
D.) I should switch to an arcade game.
E.) Which leads me to conclude that my original statement is that the CPU decides the game.

Thanks to all that have given thoughtful statements and to those who don't see what I am saying, realize that you are playing a video game. Or is it a computer simulation with pretty graphics? Don't get me wrong, the Show is a great game, but understand it is a game. If I pick the Royals as my team and I am willing to spend the entire season using them and making sure that I am perfectly timing my swings, then I should have a legitimate chance with them everytime I play. Because after all, it is a game. Instead of blindly defending the game, understand what I am griping about. Everyone wants to take their team and win, not just use the powerhouse teams.

Ummm....I'm pretty sure the Royals themselves are trying to make sure that they are making perfect swings all season long and look where it's gotten them....
THAT IS THE POINT OF USING RATINGS TO INFLUENCE USER INPUT

Somebody find me a windshield.....I need to put my head through it.

M.K.
Knight165

[rondoman]

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Bigtone just quit playing. We tried helping but youre just never gonna be satisfied. Ugh.

[BigTone1970]

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Keep defending a video game with a preset outcome regardless of YOUR skill level in playing a VIDEO GAME. I love it.

[Knight165]

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Keep defending a video game with a preset outcome regardless of YOUR skill level in playing a VIDEO GAME. I love it.

Oh...here's a shocker!

M.K.
Knight165

[treyraq]

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When 2-dimensional games went to 3d, I was lost when it came to hitting.

Along came MVP 2005 and I still have never enjoyed a baseball game so much.
Hitting in that game, TO ME, was fun, pure, realistic, challenging, and rewarding. Something about the whole hitting aspect of the Show just doesn't do it for me.

However, I understand how so many do. It's not the Zone hitting system I don't like, it's the feel of the hits and batted balls (i.e. trajectory, etc.)
To me, it never feels like you are PULLING a ball, slapping it to the opposite field, or totally CRUSHING a pitch. I never FEEL the hit like I did in MVP.

Anyway...it's hard to have it both ways. You can't ask for a system that takes just a button press, and expect that to dictate success/failure. NOT in '11 you can't.

Honestly, you have to set aside the fact that it displays "PERFECT." Others have been mislead by this to believe that it means SUCCESS, too.

[HustlinOwl]

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Keep defending a video game with a preset outcome regardless of YOUR skill level in playing a VIDEO GAME. I love it.

youre playing on all-star that is your problem, you are just not that good move to rookie and work your way up