Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

[BoSoxPujols]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

It is absurd, but that's the explanation as to why certain players retire. If you wanted a more specific answer, the game can't load up on a certain number of A and B potential players. Too many good players = too many expensive contracts = more great players being stuck in free agency because teams can't afford them. It tries to get rid of a few A's and B's and most of them fall in the "36+ retire because of age category", but sometimes it'll take a younger player out of the game (i.e. because of injury which is a better excuse, as they tend to be the ones with major injuries.) Perhaps the descriptions could be better because there's only Age, Ability, Injury, and Poor FA Market. It could be expanded upon by including Personal Reasons (Desme, Sean Burroughs, Khalil Greene) and Lack of Interest (players who lose interest in the game like Eric Byrnes).

But again. You are using pretty rare exceptions to the rule to excuse common occurances within the game.

I never said "Deal with it"

I never said you did.

The heck are you talking about?

The recent patch they worked on, although a bit vague had something to the effect of making older players retire at a later age, and lower overall players retire sooner.

Neither of which applies to this situation.

Maybe it's a matter of memory, but I'd hope they'd expand the levels with non-playable A-ball teams (R, A, and A+) than having one dedicated playable A level. If possible go for it. I'm sure that'd be a nightmare for the roster makers, but they dealt with an additional 450 players last year, what's another 1800+ (I would like to see that too).

Not even sure you'd have to "expand" the rosters really all that much. Most teams have a really good amount of A players already in the roster set. Even if that low level was playable it'd add more to the game.

[Knight165]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

Look I'm all for "suspensions of an alternate universe" when dealing with this stuff. However I'm not going to excuse bad retirement logic/ coding to allow good players to retire and give SCEA a pass. Using an incredibly rare exception to the rule in Desme to excuse a common occurance/issue in the game doesn't make any sense.

Are you seeing it happen regularly in your franchise?
...and are you playing with the last patch?

If yes to both of these, could you please post the franchise file? I want to look at it to give details to Kolbe.
Thanks.

M.K.
Knight165

[BoSoxPujols]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

Are you seeing it happen regularly in your franchise?

Yes. When I sim ahead I see some REALLY off retirements.

I had Junior Lake retire from AA for "ability" when he hit nearly .300 in his last season and is 22 years old.

You see guys like Marlon Byrd retiring due to age at 34. Thome hitting 48 homers then retiring.

It all just seems so random.

I mean logically what you do with players for more than half the season doesn't matter if the retirements are based on the draft. Just a really awful way to do things.

...and are you playing with the last patch?

yes.

If yes to both of these, could you please post the franchise file? I want to look at it to give details to Kolbe.
Thanks.

M.K.
Knight165

I'll see what I can manage. Busy weekend but I will do the best I can.

[Patriots1996]

It still amazes me that we don't have fully playable A ball in the game.

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[DetroitStyle]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

The retirement issue has plagued this game for years and one of the reasons I decided not to get this game this year (not at $60 bucks at least). For some it's not a big deal but for me it kills the immersion in franchise modes. The system makes no sense and does feel hardwired and sucks when you try to build a team around a veteran pitcher or fielder only to have them retire at 33 or 34. It seems like after a couple years half the original league is gone. It's like you pay for MLBPA license but are stuck playing with SCEA players.

I get it's hard to change the system they got but they should allow at LEAST two things:

1) Have the option, with 30 team control, to "force" someone out of retirement and back to either the team for a new contract or to the free agent pool

2) adjusting the system so players under contract do NOT retire unless play time or skill level is below a certain point. Nothing kills me more than signing a 4-5 years deal on a strong 32 year old pitcher only to have him retire in year 2 of this contract.

[Yankees2009Champs]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

1) Have the option, with 30 team control, to "force" someone out of retirement and back to either the team for a new contract or to the free agent pool

2) adjusting the system so players under contract do NOT retire unless play time or skill level is below a certain point. Nothing kills me more than signing a 4-5 years deal on a strong 32 year old pitcher only to have him retire in year 2 of this contract.

I like the first idea but the second could be exploited. Team X wants to keep Pujols in game so at age 38, team X signs Pujols to a 10 year deal.

Don't you guys understand the reason guys retire is so incoming rookie class can take their place? There's no system that would make for the guy you want to retire. No one is going to be completely happy. Just edit one of your rookies to be the player you want that retired. I know you won't have the career stats or look exactly like your player but you will survive.

[treyraq]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

Don't you guys understand the reason guys retire is so incoming rookie class can take their place? There's no system that would make for the guy you want to retire. No one is going to be completely happy. Just edit one of your rookies to be the player you want that retired. I know you won't have the career stats or look exactly like your player but you will survive.

Terrible solution, that would be worst than just dealing with the retirements the way they happen now.

Anyway,
If guys didn't "retire" until a later age, maybe they would collect in the free agent pool IF they were cut from teams. At least that way they could be available as puzzle pieces for teams needing a certain veteran down the stretch. Something like that?

If I could program it, I would have payers have a designator at the beginning of a season that they are "considering retirement" after that season. Then, at the end of that season, we could have an option to retire them or, based on if they can still perform, keep them playing.
Something to that effect...

I appreciate the 'realism' of uncontrolled retirements, but I think control over certain elements can actually make for more 'realism' and/or money's worth if controlled properly. Retirements being one of them.

[Yankees2009Champs]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

Terrible solution, that would be worst than just dealing with the retirements the way they happen now.

Anyway,
If guys didn't "retire" until a later age, maybe they would collect in the free agent pool IF they were cut from teams. At least that way they could be available as puzzle pieces for teams needing a certain veteran down the stretch. Something like that?

If I could program it, I would have payers have a designator at the beginning of a season that they are "considering retirement" after that season. Then, at the end of that season, we could have an option to retire them or, based on if they can still perform, keep them playing.
Something to that effect...

I appreciate the 'realism' of uncontrolled retirements, but I think control over certain elements can actually make for more 'realism' and/or money's worth if controlled properly. Retirements being one of them.

So how is the first idea a horrible idea? 30 team control over retirements is just like manually DL'ing a guy so you have the realism of only facing players who are actually playing. If Im missunderstanding you I apologize but it seems like you have a need to disagree with everyone and it's a little ridiculous. Maybe I should say your idea is terrible but I respect outside opinions.

[treyraq]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

So how is the first idea a horrible idea? 30 team control over retirements is just like manually DL'ing a guy so you have the realism of only facing players who are actually playing. If Im missunderstanding you I apologize but it seems like you have a need to disagree with everyone and it's a little ridiculous. Maybe I should say your idea is terrible but I respect outside opinions.

I'm just saying that it sounded like your post had a "you guys are cry-babies" tone to it and your solution came across as "you guys want realism?, why don't you just edit a young rookie to 'start over' as a retiring MLB star?" How is that any realer than wanting guys to not retire too early??

If you respect outside opinions then why are you bothered that I don't agree with yours? Now, if I'M misunderstanding, then let it slide.
Look, I wasn't calling you an idiot, I was simply stating my opinion that I think it's a terrible idea. Don't get your feelings hurt, it's just an opinion.
I could care less if you call my ideas terrible, it's the risk I take for posting them.

[Knight165]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

While I think that there could be a lot done with regards to retirements....(mostly just looking at a players actual season statistics to have more weight into the process...which would force the decision to be made at a different point in the game).....hands down, bet the farm on it.....there will always be guys that are not happy. ALWAYS...

Back to the OP....I can live with older guys retiring...it was the 22 y.o. B guy retiring that was odd....and that's what I would focus on. Have you seen that a lot?......because I haven't. I think you got a fluke with that type of guy retiring.

I think allowing the Single A to have more than 15 players and removing the 90 player restriction(putting the "correct" amounts to MLB/AAA/AA levels and letting the lesser rated players go to an "open" A level would allow for more of the worthy older players continue to stay in the game past where they would normally be forced to retire.

Bottom line....as is...there are restrictions since this is a game and there has to be some guys coming in...and some guys going out. If only "unworthy" guys retire, you'd have a league of superstars and where is the reality in that?...so it's a tough line to walk IMO.

M.K.
Knight165

[Yankees2009Champs]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

Bottom line....as is...there are restrictions since this is a game and there has to be some guys coming in...and some guys going out. If only "unworthy" guys retire, you'd have a league of superstars and where is the reality in that?...so it's a tough line to walk IMO.

M.K.
Knight165

And how is that different from what I said? Totally agree with you Knight, no one would be happy given the million of permutations there are.

That's the reality, no ones saying deal with it cry babies

[Yankees2009Champs]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

I'm just saying that it sounded like your post had a "you guys are cry-babies" tone to it and your solution came across as "you guys want realism?, why don't you just edit a young rookie to 'start over' as a retiring MLB star?" How is that any realer than wanting guys to not retire too early??

If you respect outside opinions then why are you bothered that I don't agree with yours? Now, if I'M misunderstanding, then let it slide.
Look, I wasn't calling you an idiot, I was simply stating my opinion that I think it's a terrible idea. Don't get your feelings hurt, it's just an opinion.
I could care less if you call my ideas terrible, it's the risk I take for posting them.

I apologize for saying you have a need to disagree. I thought BoSoxPujols replied but it was you that replied.

I don't think you should just call peoples ideas terrible. Just because you are alright with it doesn't mean others want to be attacked. It's an opinion.

[BoSoxPujols]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

The retirement issue has plagued this game for years and one of the reasons I decided not to get this game this year (not at $60 bucks at least). For some it's not a big deal but for me it kills the immersion in franchise modes. The system makes no sense and does feel hardwired and sucks when you try to build a team around a veteran pitcher or fielder only to have them retire at 33 or 34. It seems like after a couple years half the original league is gone. It's like you pay for MLBPA license but are stuck playing with SCEA players.

I get it's hard to change the system they got but they should allow at LEAST two things:

1) Have the option, with 30 team control, to "force" someone out of retirement and back to either the team for a new contract or to the free agent pool

2) adjusting the system so players under contract do NOT retire unless play time or skill level is below a certain point. Nothing kills me more than signing a 4-5 years deal on a strong 32 year old pitcher only to have him retire in year 2 of this contract.

Good thoughts.

I like the first idea but the second could be exploited. Team X wants to keep Pujols in game so at age 38, team X signs Pujols to a 10 year deal.

Not really. because if Pujols falls below a certain skill level/rating he will retire.

[Yankees2009Champs]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

Good thoughts.

Not really. because if Pujols falls below a certain skill level/rating he will retire.

I believe he said signed players wouldn't retire.

[BoSoxPujols]

Re: Why are certain player retirements hardwired into the game?

I believe he said signed players wouldn't retire.

Read............................

2) adjusting the system so players under contract do NOT retire unless play time or skill level is below a certain point.

While I think that there could be a lot done with regards to retirements....(mostly just looking at a players actual season statistics to have more weight into the process...which would force the decision to be made at a different point in the game).....hands down, bet the farm on it.....there will always be guys that are not happy. ALWAYS...

Back to the OP....I can live with older guys retiring...it was the 22 y.o. B guy retiring that was odd....and that's what I would focus on. Have you seen that a lot?......because I haven't. I think you got a fluke with that type of guy retiring.

I think allowing the Single A to have more than 15 players and removing the 90 player restriction(putting the "correct" amounts to MLB/AAA/AA levels and letting the lesser rated players go to an "open" A level would allow for more of the worthy older players continue to stay in the game past where they would normally be forced to retire.

Bottom line....as is...there are restrictions since this is a game and there has to be some guys coming in...and some guys going out. If only "unworthy" guys retire, you'd have a league of superstars and where is the reality in that?...so it's a tough line to walk IMO.

M.K.
Knight165

You've got pull Knight.

Make it happen captain!