The Repetitive Commentary Thread

[deputydon]

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It wouldn't be that bad if they did multiple takes of the same lines, or preferably at least slightly different. Like if they didn't always say the same thing, in the exact same tone, emphasis and whatnot. It would make the game at least feel a bit more believable. I still think they should look into finding an all new cast in general. None of them, in my opinion, really bring that grand feeling you should get from hitting a home run.

Then again, I grew up listening to Tom Hamilton calling games on the radio. So maybe I'm just looking for someone like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6mirKvl1Ik

[Blzer]

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It wouldn't be that bad if they did multiple takes of the same lines, or preferably at least slightly different. Like if they didn't always say the same thing, in the exact same tone, emphasis and whatnot. It would make the game at least feel a bit more believable. I still think they should look into finding an all new cast in general. None of them, in my opinion, really bring that grand feeling you should get from hitting a home run.

Then again, I grew up listening to Tom Hamilton calling games on the radio. So maybe I'm just looking for someone like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6mirKvl1Ik

I know exactly what you're saying. I've thought that for a long time.

"Strike one."
"Strike one." (different inflection lol)
"There's a strike."
"And it's 0 and 1."
"First pitch falls in there."
"First pitch strike."
"He takes one over the plate."
"It's laid in there. 0 and 1."
"He finds the corner on the first pitch."
"Strike."
"No balls and one strike."

And it goes on and on. I would definitely like to hear this kind of thing if possible... maybe even saying "Strike one" nine different ways.

[BatsareBugs]

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Every time a created player steps in to hit with RISP. Campbell says "This is an excellent opportunity for a young player to prove himself to his teammates".

Way too often. Plus, not every created player is a "young player".

It's not only a created player, it's for anyone that is a rookie.

[Bobhead]

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It wouldn't be that bad if they did multiple takes of the same lines, or preferably at least slightly different. Like if they didn't always say the same thing, in the exact same tone, emphasis and whatnot. It would make the game at least feel a bit more believable. I still think they should look into finding an all new cast in general. None of them, in my opinion, really bring that grand feeling you should get from hitting a home run.

Then again, I grew up listening to Tom Hamilton calling games on the radio. So maybe I'm just looking for someone like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6mirKvl1Ik

In my opinion, the voice doesn't really change the value of the commentary (excluding insane stuff like Arnold Schwarzanegger or Gilbert Gottfried stepping in the booth).

If I talk out of my rear for a minute: I think where The Show kind of messed up originally is that (I assume) they wrote their own lines, then just had Matt and co. read them. I hope this isn't taken rudely, but if you don't have commentary experience you really shouldn't be writing commentary. It would be like me making a movie about a wedding and hiring a real wedding planner, but I plan my own wedding from scratch, without the planner's input, and all he does is execute it. Visually, the wedding is probably not going to look professional or natural, because I've never planned one before.

I am sure this won't happen next year since the devs already have their hands full, but in the future I'd like to see the actual guys (Matt V, etc.) have more input on their own lines. (technically they could use the input of other actual commentators instead, then just have Matt and friends record the lines at a later point in time... same difference).

[nomo17k]

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I am sure this won't happen next year since the devs already have their hands full, but in the future I'd like to see the actual guys (Matt V, etc.) have more input on their own lines. (technically they could use the input of other actual commentators instead, then just have Matt and friends record the lines at a later point in time... same difference).

Don't know what stops the devs to do this. Don't know if there's any "copyright" issues arise from doing this sort of thing (I bet they do), but I tend to think a lot of lines can be simply copied from real broadcasts.

Like have a contract with MV/DC/EK to record their voices during their real broadcasts and just re-use them in the Show. Of course there's limit as to how much sounds they can store in the media, but I bet this way the devs can record a lot of natural sounding lines (with a lot of variations) that fit right in with what happen in the game.

(Extension of that is that they can sell add-on packages with different sets of broadcasters...)

[doubledeuceR6]

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On every check swing appeal they ask "Did he hold up?" That's followed by "yes he went around". Shouldn't it be "no he didn't"

I'm in late august of my Rangers francise and Mike Napoli is hitting .340, 31 hr, and 81 rbi and the first hit he gets in any game now is followed by "He's really starting to bring himself into the MVP disussion. The numbers are certainly there"

That's fine and all but like others have said there should be more variety with the statements.

They could say "he's got my vote for MVP" or "that's an MVP canidate right there folks" and so on.

[DodgerFanatic2K3]

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As a General comment the show has always used thats beyond annoying.

A statement or comment telling the user how bad theyve done, its annoying. We all know when we screw up no one needs to hear about it afterwards its like Office Space with the TPS reports!

"dont know what he was thinking on that play"
"Just an awful hack"
etc... well duh... ****e happens I dont want to hear about it

Totally agree and that's one of the main reasons it doesn't sound like real commentary because not all of us have the experience level of MLB players and when we make bad decisions at the plate we shouldn't be ridiculed by the announcers for it

They need to just call the game and not call us out

[Dalsanto0026]

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Totally agree and that's one of the main reasons it doesn't sound like real commentary because not all of us have the experience level of MLB players and when we make bad decisions at the plate we shouldn't be ridiculed by the announcers for it

They need to just call the game and not call us out

I totally agree with this. The commentary can be really annoying in this game. It's not professional at all and is in desperate need of an upgrade.

I especially hate the line from Dave Campbell "Not very good discipline there, he swings at a pitch out of the zone, then just stares at strike two". It makes me want to throw my controller.

[Bobhead]

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Totally agree and that's one of the main reasons it doesn't sound like real commentary because not all of us have the experience level of MLB players and when we make bad decisions at the plate we shouldn't be ridiculed by the announcers for it

They need to just call the game and not call us out

I don't understand this. Real commentators criticize players all the time. What are you expecting instead? Should they support your mistake? I can imagine playing MLB 2012 and swinging at a bad pitch and then I hear:

"Well Dave, in a real baseball game you wouldn't see something like that, but since it's only a child playing a video game, I guess we should give it a pass"

"Yeah I think you're right Matt. PS3 video games are nothing like real baseball"

No offense but if you want simulation baseball with authentic commentary you're going to have to suck it up and swallow your pride. I admit the commentary needs improvement but you can't have it both ways. Either they emulate real baseball commentary, or they don't.

[Blzer]

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I don't understand this. Real commentators criticize players all the time. What are you expecting instead? Should they support your mistake? I can imagine playing MLB 2012 and swinging at a bad pitch and then I hear:

No offense but if you want simulation baseball with authentic commentary you're going to have to suck it up and swallow your pride. I admit the commentary needs improvement but you can't have it both ways. Either they emulate real baseball commentary, or they don't.

I guess the best way to put it is that commentators normally give praise to what the opposition did to cause the miscue instead. So, if a player fishes at a pitch in the dirt, they'll give the pitcher credit for the sharp break on his curveball. Nothing like, "Duuude, you look like you're swingin' a garden hose, come on!" or whatever they say.

It would certainly require rewriting and re-recording nearly all of the color commentator lines in the game, but it might be necessary.

Speaking of which, I don't really know if this would be considered repetitive, but I never really liked how the color commentators always seem to start their line with the word "And" (actually, Vasgersian does it plenty as well). I don't really know how to explain it, but next time you play the game, pay attention to how often Campbell says that. I know Hudler did it as well, but I don't recall if Karros does it, because I get repelled by his chuckling instead.

[Bobhead]

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I guess the best way to put it is that commentators normally give praise to what the opposition did to cause the miscue instead. So, if a player fishes at a pitch in the dirt, they'll give the pitcher credit for the sharp break on his curveball. Nothing like, "Duuude, you look like you're swingin' a garden hose, come on!" or whatever they say.

I beg to differ. Announcers often take entire innings to criticize one single player. They will break down his swing, or delivery, and talk about what they think is wrong with it. I've heard many a player criticized for demonstrating poor plate discipline; or a pitcher, for poor pitch selection. I agree they sometimes refrain from saying meaningless and unconstructive things like the "garden hose" line, but to say they don't criticize is definitely incorrect.

[Blzer]

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I beg to differ. Announcers often take entire innings to criticize one single player. They will break down his swing, or delivery, and talk about what they think is wrong with it. I've heard many a player criticized for demonstrating poor plate discipline; or a pitcher, for poor pitch selection. I agree they sometimes refrain from saying meaningless and unconstructive things like the "garden hose" line, but to say they don't criticize is definitely incorrect.

Okay, I agree with you on that front. I don't really know how to put it, then. Often times, Hudler just sounded like he was bantering you, the user. It was kind of annoying.

How about this: they never quite go about anything with any sort of subtlety. It is normally very direct, blatant, and acknowledging. Even when Matty V. is calling balls and strikes, every borderline call that [by the game's coding] goes the wrong way has him spouting for a few seconds about how the umpire can't seem to get any calls right.

I would like to defer to MLB 2K11's commentary for justification that there is another way to go about it without completely flipping the page and re-writing the script, but there are also many other facets in both games' commentary tracks that need much fine-tuning as well.

[doubledeuceR6]

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I don't understand this. Real commentators criticize players all the time. What are you expecting instead? Should they support your mistake? I can imagine playing MLB 2012 and swinging at a bad pitch and then I hear:



No offense but if you want simulation baseball with authentic commentary you're going to have to suck it up and swallow your pride. I admit the commentary needs improvement but you can't have it both ways. Either they emulate real baseball commentary, or they don't.

I agree with you on this. I don't mind the commentators in this area except there should be more variety. There are plenty of times where the opposing pitchers make me look silly and I have no issue with them reminding me of it.

[Cavicchi]

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I totally agree with this. The commentary can be really annoying in this game. It's not professional at all and is in desperate need of an upgrade.

I especially hate the line from Dave Campbell "Not very good discipline there, he swings at a pitch out of the zone, then just stares at strike two". It makes me want to throw my controller.

It's Saturday morning and you just brought me my first good laugh of the day, thanks!
We both know it simulates real baseball, but I think you're just saying how annoying it is, and with that I agree, but it does belong in the game.

[Cavicchi]

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One of the commentary lines that should be taken out is when I pinch hit with a guy and the commentator says something like, It's surprising for all the offense this player has not been a part of it. Of course he hasn't been a part of it because he hasn't been in the game!