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  • bwiggy33
    MVP
    • Jul 2006
    • 2003

    #121
    Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

    Originally posted by khronikos
    As Blzer and myself have outlined--it was my original thread, which got unfairly locked after it started a storm, that put this to the races, where as he has done all he can to make real world comparisons that truly show the need for change--just making a few changes to grass and walls and even dirt would go A LONG way to extending the realism in this game. I really hope these devs understand and care about this. It is very important that the grass be close to its real world counterpart or else the entire feeling of the stadium is destroyed in many cases. Target Field especially. I cannot reiterate enough on how shoddy the color of the grass is in game compared to real life. Seriously, look at Chase Stadium as well. It is not even funny how wrong it looks in game. Do you think we don't notice this?

    And the fact is this isn't some major programming job like your guy completed with ball physics. If you don't have stadium designers who are as dedicated as that then find some new ones! This is a couple guys who gather some pics of each stadium that are reliable and go and change the colors for each stadium. A week's worth of tweaking and this is finished or near so. And it is important, too! This isn't a moving roof or stadium creator we are talking about!

    For this not to be changed just kind of says, 'Oh, we care about things that only fans care about like billboards but we don't care about the general accuracy of the colors of the game'. This is absurd IMHO. I love these devs but it is time to realize when things need to move on. You guys strive for realism and yet you overlook one of the most important aspects in this drive for realism. Anyway, I am done bringing it up because it seems like I don't appreciate the game when that is not the case at all. I love the game....

    Bert Blyleven's number now retired and numbered with the rest of them.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/benckph...8873/lightbox/

    Harmon's number in vertical pinstripes on the water tower, Etc.

    http://www.bringmethenews.com/2011/0...ors-killebrew/

    And get rid of that PLAYER'S TRUST sign in left field!

    The second scoreboard is an inning summary not a mini me of the big one.

    BIG ONE: the shadow is wrong-- it should cut across from first base side, not the third base side.. reason is the sun passes to the south being that we're in the northern hemisphere.



    The outfield walls are a darker green
    • For saturday games the twins mascot in the home run derby... they set up a little rubber home plate in short center and TC crushes softballs into the stands ...
    • After the game highlights you hear the announcer talk about light rail options but says they're beyond right field.. they're beyond left field.
    • One flaw that I have noticed in the MLB: The Show's Re-Creation of Target Field is the shading during day games. In the day games at Target Field, the shade is shown over the Left Field Bleachers and behind the plate. However, during day games around 1:00 (The standard start time of most Twins day games), the only part of the stadium that is shaded is the right field side, as you'll see in this picture. This is the way it should look at the start of the day: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oNq6hi7d3o...dium+10036.jpg

    - the gate in target plaza could use more work
    - flowers in the planters on the left and right field walls
    - you don't really notice this in the game but the lights behind home plate in the "halo" aren't on during the game
    - could add different grass cut patterns to choose from
    - TC bear shooting t-shirts into the stands between innings
    - fighter jet flyovers and 150' flags for opening day

    - vendors walking around wear those insanely bright yellow polos, and the hot dog vendors with the red/white striped shirts and red caps.



    HOTDOG vendor in striped shirt:



    - strobe lights on the perimeter of the minnie and paul sign.
    - are the seats in the legends deck the right color?
    - smoke rising up from the state fair food stand in center field.

    - some seats in right field are also wood backed.
    - every game should be a sellout or near sellout.
    - kestral flying around eating moths

    The TC logo behind homeplate now has the C in red color.



    Newer grass cut--it'd be nice if you guys just gave us a choice of 10 or so different cuts--they usually use this one:


    If I could like your post 1 million times I would. These are the exact changes that need to be made to make Target Field spot on. I don't imagine that all of this gets done but I will say as long as some of it is changed for MLB 12 I will be satisfied. In all honesty I would really just like for Blyleven's retired number, darker green walls, new batters eye, and last but most importantly MAKE THE MINNY and PAUL SIGN LIGHT UP
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    • khronikos
      Banned
      • Sep 2010
      • 292

      #122
      Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

      Hey thanks! Really, all I want is the grass and field looking like it should otherwise I don't have any reason to upgrade from 11 this year. The colors of Target Field are very saturated and bright and in game they are very dull and lifeless at least in the grass, dirt, and walls.

      The other things are fairly important as well. Shadows do not bother me as much but things like the vendors would add a lot of realism to the fans though I doubt the team will put them in despite this stuff being on the stadium thread for many months. Some of these things like colors and what not were talked about for quite a few pages in my old thread and if that stuff has no new work it will make all they have done this year very very disappointing for ME and for a few others.

      I know a couple things about modding games and programming so I know that recoloring the fields IS NOT something that takes a whole lot of time imo though it will take an earnest dev a week or so. If it doesn't get in fine but then again I am simply not going to be very eager to purchase the game at all when I can just play it at a friend's house to enjoy all the great new mechanics in the game.

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      • jd369
        Banned
        • Sep 2008
        • 1341

        #123
        Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

        Turner field got a cow...oh wait....LOL!

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        • bwiggy33
          MVP
          • Jul 2006
          • 2003

          #124
          Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

          Originally posted by khronikos
          Hey thanks! Really, all I want is the grass and field looking like it should otherwise I don't have any reason to upgrade from 11 this year. The colors of Target Field are very saturated and bright and in game they are very dull and lifeless at least in the grass, dirt, and walls.

          The other things are fairly important as well. Shadows do not bother me as much but things like the vendors would add a lot of realism to the fans though I doubt the team will put them in despite this stuff being on the stadium thread for many months. Some of these things like colors and what not were talked about for quite a few pages in my old thread and if that stuff has no new work it will make all they have done this year very very disappointing for ME and for a few others.

          I know a couple things about modding games and programming so I know that recoloring the fields IS NOT something that takes a whole lot of time imo though it will take an earnest dev a week or so. If it doesn't get in fine but then again I am simply not going to be very eager to purchase the game at all when I can just play it at a friend's house to enjoy all the great new mechanics in the game.
          Ya I think every stadium pretty much needs an upgrade color wise. More color would bring these stadiums to life because really every stadium is represented pretty darn well in this game. All of the minute details like shadows that are wrong don't bother me quite as much. The only stadium that I can really tell where things are wrong is Target Field because I go there on a regular basis. The other stadiums I can only notice a few things here and there that are off. In all honesty the only true complaint that I have about Target Field is the fact that the Minnie and Paul sign doesn't light up throughout night games and doesn't light up during HR's. Maybe there's a memory issue or something but you would have thought it would have been in 11. I have a lot of confidence it will finally be lit up in 12. The MLB team is too good to miss a big detail like this for 3 years without having some reason for not putting it in.
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          • khronikos
            Banned
            • Sep 2010
            • 292

            #125
            Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

            Well, let's hope they are paying attention here. I must say I am a bit worried because of the Vita version so I hope they added people for that version instead of nerfing this one. If these stadium tweaks are not in, at least the important ones, I will just have to wait for the PS4 version as I have waaaaaay too many games on Steam and the PS3 in my backlog and have no reason to pay even 40 dollars for a game that will disappoint me.

            Steam has really changed what I am willing to pay for a game and it also has made my backlog severely clogged with great games new and old. Soooo many games and I run them all maxed. Luckily The Show looks great on PS3 minus some jaggies and if anything was done to rectify the field issue it will be a must buy for me despite the Twins entering another year of the pitcher without an arm.

            I like what they are doing here though and the game will be fun no doubt if even I just play at a friend's house.

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            • khronikos
              Banned
              • Sep 2010
              • 292

              #126
              Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

              I guess from the pics posted so far it does look like nothing has been done to the fields at all which is a shame. I guess I will have to refrain from getting my hopes up at this point.

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              • tnixen
                MVP
                • Oct 2011
                • 3184

                #127
                Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

                Originally posted by khronikos
                I guess from the pics posted so far it does look like nothing has been done to the fields at all which is a shame. I guess I will have to refrain from getting my hopes up at this point.
                I have a feeling that redoing the grass in all the stadiums would be a huge programming job.

                May have to wait for PS4 version before we see brand new grass in every stadium.

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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42512

                  #128
                  Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

                  Originally posted by tnixen
                  I have a feeling that redoing the grass in all the stadiums would be a huge programming job.

                  May have to wait for PS4 version before we see brand new grass in every stadium.
                  If I may, I believe that the grass is just hex-coded, like anything else that is of the color spectrum. I'm sure it's not as simple as just changing a number from #4AC948 to #4DBD33 (not saying those are the actual colors, just giving an example), but I don't think it's a major programming overhaul either.

                  I believe I said it once in another post, but in the end it's about artistic intent/merit. If they believe they have the right thing out on the field, you can't disagree with subjectivity.
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                  • EnigmaNemesis
                    Animal Liberation
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 12216

                    #129
                    Changing the seat colors I was told was a programming task. So I am sure grass or anything else would fall under similar events.

                    Not as simple as "plug and play" we end users are used to.

                    The lighting plays a huge role as well.
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                    • Blzer
                      Resident film pundit
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 42512

                      #130
                      Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

                      Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                      Changing the seat colors I was told was a programming task. So I am sure grass or anything else would fall under similar events.

                      Not as simple as "plug and play" we end users are used to.
                      Understood. If only game programming was as easy as "make this happen" upon command haha. However, as I've done game programming before myself (not involving 3D however), I understand how difficult even the smallest things are.

                      The lighting plays a huge role as well.
                      I figured as much. I was always hoping it would play second-fiddle, though. As in, the lighting will just hit whatever color is on the field, but you can still change that color underneath the hood.
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                      • khronikos
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 292

                        #131
                        Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

                        I don't think it would be like redoing your entire physics system for baseballs.... but I am sure there would need to be some definite time put into it.

                        Something like changing the color of the grass cannot possibly take months. I just don't see how but am willing to hear any facts on the matter. I think it is one of most important things and should be a top priority imo if we hear all this talk about realism and immersion are want to see it not just read about it.

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                        • EnigmaNemesis
                          Animal Liberation
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 12216

                          #132
                          Considering each stadium is unique to themselves. Even the day stadiums and night stadiums are unique lighting "maps". There is a much larger undertaking than one thinks.

                          Also as Blzer has mentioned, a lot is eye of the beholder and perspective. I have seen sets where the colors were more "rich" on the field due to TV settings, etc. I do know the monitors they use are to THX color standards.

                          Lighting plays a role as mentioned. And trust me, they hear us. Also to say this is the major issue to be fixed in the game, while subjective, is a testament to how good this series is in sports gaming.
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                          • metal134
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 1420

                            #133
                            Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

                            Originally posted by jemens
                            ouchhh !! here's the first collateral damage of the Vita.
                            Considering the upside, I have ZERO problem with that. I don't care about accurate stadiums at all. At all. AT ALL.
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                            • PSNation
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 217

                              #134
                              Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

                              Oh hi

                              How's Miller Park looking?
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                              • tnixen
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 3184

                                #135
                                Re: Stadium upgrades for MLB 12

                                Originally posted by PSNation
                                Oh hi

                                How's Miller Park looking?

                                Hi PSNation

                                Are you going to be doing an interview again this coming year with the MLB The Show developers?

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