MLB 12 The Show Screenshots - Your New Default Camera View and Other Tidbits

[Runnin with Scissors]

I have to agree with a buddy of mine. Too much clutter on the screen (which could be solved with a simple toggle) and the pitcher is too far back (can't tell who's closer the CF or the pitcher).

I keep hearing "It's just a video game" type response to any conflicting views, well check me if I am wrong but wasn't what made this game so unique for years is the simple fact that it was teetering on the brink of looking like a real broadcast and not "just a videogame"?

Oh well, not too big a deal I guess, I still have my buddy Jim's classic rosters for 11 that make me more than happy, so if 12 takes a step sideways or backward, well I know where I can turn.

[HustlinOwl]

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I still have my buddy Jim's classic rosters for 11 that make me more than happy, so if 12 takes a step sideways or backward, well I know where I can turn.

lol, not likely

[Blzer]

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Okay, for all you people that are having a coronary episode about all the clutter and then turn around and compare it to these screenshots, in both of these, the ball is in play. The first has the pitcher starting his pitch and the second is while the pitcher is pitching.

All the "clutter" is taken off the screen when the play is started......just like every year. The "clutter" is only on the screen pre-pitch.

The people who are asking to have options to turn if off (I haven't asked in this thread myself, but I also with for it) would just like to have no screen clutter, pre-pitch or during the pitch.

EDIT: I had typed this out hoping it would be nice and short, but it became a couple of paragraphs too long, so if people want to read the mini-rant about this, I spoilered it for ya.

Spoiler

I understand why things might be turned on by default. Heck, I understand why they feel things are necessary for being there (the other pitcher's pitches, for example). But in the end, should that be for us to decide? They allow us to turn off the pitching cursor (yes!), the fly ball landing target (hoorah!), and even the post-pitch feedback (cowabunga!). I know that the 2K series happens to be lacking in such visual presentation options so we can't turn them off, and for me it's just clutter. For some it's exactly what they want, but again... if it's nothing more than an "on-off" switch, couldn't we perhaps toggle it ourselves?

I know that some people here are having major gripes about no improvements to franchise, etc. Some seem slightly valid, some are a bit of overkill, but what some other people are asking for here doesn't seem all that bad. They're just asking if there's a way we can toggle options to turn off the pre-pitch on-screen clutter.

The one that leaves me scratching my head the most is the inability to turn off the "swing type" graphic. Having played this series for seven years and going on eight, aside from the added contact swing (and the switched power swing button), these swings haven't changed. After playing one game, any user should know how to use these swing types. I'm not saying the game should now turn them off, but I'm saying it wouldn't hurt if we could turn it off ourselves. It's like if a basketball game reminded us how to pass every time before we inbounded the ball, a football game told us how to snap and call audibles, and a hockey game told us how to control our face-offs.

Slightly off-topic, but one thing I wish football games could let us turn off are the LOS and first-down markers on the field. Again, I'm not saying disable it on default, I'm just saying lend us the option. The players on the field don't have the luxury of seeing these lines, and I always thought it would be cool if we actually couldn't ourselves.

And again, the last reason I would like them turned off is because I own a plasma screen. The last thing I would want is for these contrasting images (silver on black) to cause some sort of image-retention or burn-in. Is this a valid complaint? Not really, but it's realistic. The simplest fix is the option to shut these things off.

Heck, some people might not even like having the score bar on. I'm not one of them, but having the option will sure make them happy.

Sorry about that.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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Ok, correct me if i'm wrong, but I remember everyone was saying MLB 12 THE SHOW was going to have massive improvements and changes for FRANCHISE. This is my problem... Why would people with inside information say there was going to be massive changes for the 2012 version, where there is no evidence of that. In my opinion, SCEA is just continuing to push back the developments and improvements for franchise, but they have no problem saying "Oh you will have to wait until next year." YET IT NEVER SHOWS IN THE GAME! It irritates me that the newspaper is still in, and now we have to look forward to 2013 for that. Truly SEMI-PRO. If I don't see major improvements in franchise...Strike 2!

I would like to think I am very passionate about the franchise mode. I play that mode from launch until launch. I do sim franchises as well as play out games....

I have found faults in the system and have mentioned them here, but the one thing that if you read my posts, I have said repeatedly...Is that the Foundation is here and makes this THE BEST FRANCHISE MODE AVAILABLE for any sport. Tighten them up add a little here or there.

Sure there are things that I would think would be cool if added, but to say it needs MASSIVE changes is false. I know alot of people were on board for a WHOLE new franchise mode. That scares me!! We know what we have now. When you make wholesale changes to anything and a problem arises there are many many many more variables to find the cause.

Saying nothing new was added last year....Trust me, some new things were added last year. I love the achievements section in franchise mode and I believe that is a start to bigger things.(I have no inside info) I thought trading was improved. More trades happened closer to deadline and many fewer earlier in the season.

Room to improve? Sure, but come on how can anyone program for human decisions? We talk all the time about certain players should never be traded or play for another team. I always counter with Griffey and A-Rod being traded. Pujols just left...etc. I like that it is in the game.

I hope that when I get to CD that I get a chance to, like I do every launch with the game, just sim and tinker with franchise mode until my eyes hurt. and I know they want to iron out the bugs and I am sure that most of them already have been.

I have been satisfied with the game last year and even with some workarounds it never detracted from my enjoyment.

And from reading here I see some new features that excite me with the Vita and the Show.

I trust in the direction that the Show has gone and honestly who can ever say they have not gotten their monies worth?

[nomo17k]

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The people who are asking to have options to turn if off (I haven't asked in this thread myself, but I also with for it) would just like to have no screen clutter, pre-pitch or during the pitch.

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Heck, some people might not even like having the score bar on. I'm not one of them, but having the option will sure make them happy.

Personally if I have a choice then I'd prefer to turn these things off, particularly the pitcher confidence/energy type of things because, I guess, I'm on a hardcore side and prefer to see these things in action on the field than quantified or visualized upfront, just like real life in which you cannot see pitcher confidence/fatigue in bars or numbers.

So in general I don't have a problem with people asking for that specific option, as a wishlist item... but...

Why are you complaining now? I've been rather meticulously following all the threads in the forum, and the devs and CD guys have given us so many opportunities to let us voice our concerns and wishes, and I bet they are reading every single word written in this forum.

And I don't really remember people saying that they want less info displayed in the screen in question when those feedback threads were up.

If you look at the screen, the amount of information hasn't actually changed much. Just about the only info added new are pitcher confidence and energy bars... the rest has always been in some way or another. It's really no more cluttered than it has been, at least for the past couple years.

I don't know why some guys are making it a big deal NOW... one of those days, the devs and CD guys will give us yet another opportunity to express our opinions. Why don't we just take advantage of the opportunity, rather than saying crap like "strike one... two... three and I will be skipping this year AGAIN...." In fact it's you who are undeserving of the game... no need for saying crap when the release is imminent, and when you had a plenty of opportunities for your voices to be heard.

[ElroyJetson]

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March just can't arrive any quicker can it?

[southoakland16]

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Even though I'm sure I'm responding to a PBU I'll bite.

Show me one post where anyone said that this game doesn't need anything improved on. I'll save you the time. You won't find it.

That being said....

-Franchise was indeed worked on, it just hasn't received the massive overhaul that the team(Aaron in particular) wants to do. Just not enough time even if he started DAY ONE on trying to squeeze it in with the Vita development(there is just no way around not developing for the Vita...love it-hate it or be indifferent to it). So rather than have a potential huge problem with that, the team did the only smart thing they could do. Focus on tightening up franchise. I'd guess there will STILL be things changed a bit to it as well(as some were noted in a previous pre-release item).
You can just accept that as reality for now or not.
I'll stay on franchise a bit.....as I know they are working on the bugs that yes....have plagued the mode for a number of years. You will notice in the list of newcomers to the event that tabarnes is participating this year and I can guarantee that this is a direct result of the fact that he poured over franchise mode last year to figure out lingering problems(this was for the O.S. community ....not for SCEA.....just for US he spent time ripping it apart to figure things out). Ramone, who cares very much about community participation in helping develop this product realized this and what do you know.....he brought him in!



M.K.
Knight165

Ok, I what I am trying to say is people that are "suggesting" ideas that could potentially improve The Show year in and year out, will get bashed by people who say "The Show is most realistic franchise ever, blah blah blah." While that is true, there are things that truly need to be implemented or improved upon to better the game.
I know I am somewhat repeating myself, but I am waiting for an answer... Why has the presentation for the divisional and World series been the same for years? That is something that can not be to hard to change and add a little flavor... yet never gets touched.

Also, about the weather. I remember a quote from Ramone talking about how "they only implement something until they can do it right." Well as we all know, WEATHER was not implemented correctly. Since, rain was rarely seen throughout the game. My point is, I found nothing wrong with MVP and how they implemented RAIN OUTS and DOUBLE HEADERS. Is SCEA trying to come up with a secret formula to implement it? I mean dont get me wrong I'm sure it is not easy... but World Series Presentation and Rain outs and Doubleheaders would not take the whole development time.

[tnixen]

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I have a question.

I was looking at old pictures of MLB 09 The Show and I came across an in between inning Due Up batters overlay. And I noticed that it has the 0 for 1, 0 for 1, 1 for 1 stats for the 3 Due Up batters.

So if I could ask why was those stats removed from the current MLB 11 The Show?

I thought Sony said they never remove features only add to the game?

[Blzer]

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Love your post, nomo. I just wanted to touch on things that might have been fuzzy with my side of the posts:

Personally if I have a choice then I'd prefer to turn these things off, particularly the pitcher confidence/energy type of things because, I guess, I'm on a hardcore side and prefer to see these things in action on the field than quantified or visualized upfront, just like real life in which you cannot see pitcher confidence/fatigue in bars or numbers.

So in general I don't have a problem with people asking for that specific option, as a wishlist item... but...

Why are you complaining now? I've been rather meticulously following all the threads in the forum, and the devs and CD guys have given us so many opportunities to let us voice our concerns and wishes, and I bet they are reading every single word written in this forum.

Strangely, that stuff flies right by me when I'm thinking about changes. I suppose once I see the new stuff is when I realize those things which fly by me. I know I've mentioned it in the past, though. In fact, I might have even mentioned it in those threads; I simply can't remember now.

And I don't really remember people saying that they want less info displayed in the screen in question when those feedback threads were up.

No clue, it might not have happened. Not every prayer is always answered anyway, so there's no saying whether or not that would have changed had someone asked. Though it wouldn't hurt to try, huh? Guess I should've done it in the first place if I hadn't.

If you look at the screen, the amount of information hasn't actually changed much. Just about the only info added new are pitcher confidence and energy bars... the rest has always been in some way or another. It's really no more cluttered than it has been, at least for the past couple years.

I don't know if I ever really said this, but I've never liked the clutter. It hasn't stopped me from buying the game, but I've always mentioned that this series has grown "stale" to people because, as you said, things have always kind of looked the same. They can re-envision that score bug at the top of the screen to how it is now, but four years later, you'll still have a poster saying that, somewhere deep within, it still just kind of looks the same.

I don't know why some guys are making it a big deal NOW... one of those days, the devs and CD guys will give us yet another opportunity to express our opinions. Why don't we just take advantage of the opportunity, rather than saying crap like "strike one... two... three and I will be skipping this year AGAIN...." In fact it's you who are undeserving of the game... no need for saying crap when the release is imminent, and when you had a plenty of opportunities for your voices to be heard.

Believe me, the next time something comes up, it will be the first thing that I bullet.

Though if somebody thinks that I'm angry and berated about this, I'm absolutely not. If somebody thinks I won't buy the game because of this, that's just... weird.

It was probably my fault, as was the fault of others, that we didn't address this in a suggestions thread directly. Although, my "complaint," if you will, wasn't so much about why they haven't turned it off yet. If anything, the major two questions I asked were:

- What makes it impossible to introduce an extra toggle feature, or four, at this late stage in the game? (perhaps it's something that could be added in a patch)

- The next one is more of... do they even want to give us the option to disable it? From the post that I saw about focus testing, it sounds like they are adamant on putting as much info for users as possible. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather that we have more stuff than less stuff. I just wondered if they personally minded if we did turn them off though too, you know?

By the way, I didn't want to consider this to be a big deal, I just wanted to clarify my viewpoint.

[nomo17k]

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Blzer, I didn't mean to single you out... more to those who just cannot stop saying publicly that they won't be buying the game (yes, it's fine, nobody's forcing you to play the game anyways....). just quoted your post because of the flow...

[toolapc1978]

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Does anyone know or if Russell can answer this but will this game have stats in it like what a batter is hitting against a certain pitcher or what a guy is hitting in a certain park. what he is hitting in a certain count. stats like that. game is already awesome but this would be sweet. if yall understand what i am asking.

[Blzer]

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Blzer, I didn't mean to single you out... more to those who just cannot stop saying publicly that they won't be buying the game (yes, it's fine, nobody's forcing you to play the game anyways....). just quoted your post because of the flow...

It's no problem. We're normally on the same page anyway, so I didn't think you were being too direct. I was simply expanding the clarification on this matter is all.

I think that it's a bit of a two-way street, really. I've hit this topic before, but it's the spectrum ends that really hit my nerves when I read some of the posts. There are those who will bash the game relentlessly, and those who will defend it relentlessly. I will never understand either side, for I both sympathize with the developers, and yet I would like to see this game improve.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but great as this game is, if it didn't improve, would it be unjustifiable for me to not purchase the following year's iteration of the game, despite my love for the franchise? The reason I would purchase the next game is for the improvements. Some people just want new rosters, and if that's their improvement that justifies them spending $60 more, then that's great.

This kind of flew off-topic from the HUD interface and more towards the kind of posts we're seeing in this thread/on this board, but it's simply something to ponder is all.

[Rules]

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Ok, I what I am trying to say is people that are "suggesting" ideas that could potentially improve The Show year in and year out, will get bashed by people who say "The Show is most realistic franchise ever, blah blah blah." While that is true, there are things that truly need to be implemented or improved upon to better the game.
I know I am somewhat repeating myself, but I am waiting for an answer... Why has the presentation for the divisional and World series been the same for years? That is something that can not be to hard to change and add a little flavor... yet never gets touched.

Also, about the weather. I remember a quote from Ramone talking about how "they only implement something until they can do it right." Well as we all know, WEATHER was not implemented correctly. Since, rain was rarely seen throughout the game. My point is, I found nothing wrong with MVP and how they implemented RAIN OUTS and DOUBLE HEADERS. Is SCEA trying to come up with a secret formula to implement it? I mean dont get me wrong I'm sure it is not easy... but World Series Presentation and Rain outs and Doubleheaders would not take the whole development time.

Russell already said that they (SCEA) are not fans of rainouts or working weather for that matter. That is probably the most disappointing comment I have ever read. Basically that means to never look for it in their game as they have no interest in making it work for those who have asked for that important aspect of the game. I understand the arcade players don't want it but why not give them an option to turn it off?

[southoakland16]

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Russell already said that they (SCEA) are not fans of rainouts or working weather for that matter. That is probably the most disappointing comment I have ever read. Basically that means to never look for it in their game as they have no interest in making it work for those who have asked for that important aspect of the game. I understand the arcade players don't want it but why not give them an option to turn it off?

See what does that mean? "Not a fan of rainouts?" To me that is an excuse for them to never have to take the time to incorporate rainouts. While I would love to see rain delays as well, I know that will never be added, and I can see why. But to me, not including rainouts is just disappointing and semi-pathetic. That is realism! Having to adjust lineups because you have a double-header the next day. No one can defend that is not adding to realism. Hell, they mine as well say "they are not fans of players robbing homeruns" It's something that does not happen a lot, but it does add to the game and strategy! It does not make much sense.

[Blzer]

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See what does that mean? "Not a fan of rainouts?" To me that is an excuse for them to never have to take the time to incorporate rainouts. While I would love to see rain delays as well, I know that will never be added, and I can see why. But to me, not including rainouts is just disappointing and semi-pathetic. That is realism! Having to adjust lineups because you have a double-header the next day. No one can defend that is not adding to realism. Hell, they mine as well say "they are not fans of players robbing homeruns" It's something that does not happen a lot, but it does add to the game and strategy! It does not make much sense.

I'll be pretty blunt about it, but the simple answer is "diminishing returns." Rainout implementation is not a small undertaking, and as far as cost efficiency goes, it would consume a vast amount of resources that would take up being able to do other things that they personally feel are more integral to the game's overall design.