MLB 12 The Show Screenshots - Your New Default Camera View and Other Tidbits

[ryan36]

As for all this clutter discussion, I'm not a huge fan, but I'm ok with it looking like a video game. Most games I grew up with have had some form of this.

As long as its not pitch cursors flying across the screen in opposite directions four meters bouncing for "power ups" I'm ok with it. Don't love it, but I've always found the empty screen approach "dull".

[dalger21]

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You know...after skimming through this thread and the others with topics on mlb game play, stances, stadium upgrades, batting helmets and etc., I honestly don't know why Ramone constantly comes back here to give out information. It seems like no matter what he does, he gets attacked from various individuals that don't like a certain thing. Like earlier this year when people were complaining about something insignificant as to why there is a dog at Turner Field instead of the cow or whatever the issue was and Ramone snapped that he wouldn't provide anything Braves related again. No other company is as freely with information about an upcoming game as Ramone is for Sony but some of these people here seem to think they deserve more. I don't know. If nothing else, Ramone definitely is a patient individual.

Anyway, I'm wondering why types of things has been added to RttS since it got a major overhaul in last years game..

[Peter_OS]

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The score bar, pitch info, and swing info box is completely redesigned new art. The default camera view is also a very big change from last year. It would be great if someone could take a picture using the same teams from MLB 11 so you can see side by side just how different the art is.

As far as 3D grass not going to happen anytime soon it takes up to much memory.

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't term this as a "big change" from last year's default camera. The default camera has been raised and panned out a bit. [Thanks to Blzer for the comparison.]

Give us something new to get excited about Russell?!

Give us a better broadcast presentation, a deeper franchise and additonal fielding and batter animations on the field, and I'm going to be one happy guy!

[Knight165]

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Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I wouldn't term this as a "big change" from last year's default camera. The default camera has been raised and panned out a bit. [Thanks to Blzer for the comparison.]

Give us something new to get excited about Russell?!

Give us a better broadcast presentation, a deeper franchise and additonal fielding and batter animations on the field, and I'm going to be one happy guy!

I don't think he means "big change" in terms of the game....he means in respect to last year's default camera.

M.K.
Knight165

[econoodle]

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You know...after skimming through this thread and the others with topics on mlb game play, stances, stadium upgrades, batting helmets and etc., I honestly don't know why Ramone constantly comes back here to give out information. It seems like no matter what he does, he gets attacked from various individuals that don't like a certain thing. Like earlier this year when people were complaining about something insignificant as to why there is a dog at Turner Field instead of the cow or whatever the issue was and Ramone snapped that he wouldn't provide anything Braves related again. No other company is as freely with information about an upcoming game as Ramone is for Sony but some of these people here seem to think they deserve more. I don't know. If nothing else, Ramone definitely is a patient individual.

Anyway, I'm wondering why types of things has been added to RttS since it got a major overhaul in last years game..

Dalger, I cant find it, but i think RTTS added starting as a higher ranked prospect or something of that nature.
someone who knows will chime in I am sure.

As far as the brave thing. One of the funny moments was Braves fans seeing a Cyber photo of Jason Heyward in one of the screenshots and worried there would be no real photo for him, then later Russ dropped a phot with smile like he swallowed a piano pointing at a screengrab of the J-hey kid with his stock photo, with a caption like 'gotcha' or something to that effect.
Ahh even after 1,049 hours working on the Show, he can still let loose and have fun with us.


he's been cool in my book ever since that one.

[Rules]

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He didn't say that exactly.

He implied that it wasn't tops on their list of priorities (while making a JOKE about hating rainouts in real life).

If I'm not mistaken, in the same thread, he mentioned that they haven't agreed upon a method to incorporate rainouts that made SENSE for the series. If done, it would have to be functional and enjoyable for the player (thus, a lot of brainstorming on a way to execute it, coding it in to the game itself and schedule, and so on). Considering where it falls on their priority list, I can't find any fault in the way he explained it in the post mentioned.

Guys, SCEA would give us the world if they could. But time and resources force them to have to set things aside or further down their list (especially one's such as this that would require a lot of work). Though we want rain delays, it wouldn't necessarily be "fun" for a lot of the casual gamers out there to have to restart a game after 4 innings. OS only represents a small portion of this series' consumer base.

I'll go out on a limb here and say we'll see it eventually. But it has to be done practically, and if done, it HAS to be done right. Ramone alluded to that while giving HIS opinion on it.

Re-read his post(s) on the subject and I'll think you'll see what I'm getting at.

You might want to read one of his more recent posts as you will see that is what he is saying.

[ryan36]

Russ knows what this board is. He knows what we "do" although we do it more than we used to. It's not ideal but we're here (mods) to make sure it doesn't get personal.

That's why I hope people use the report feature. I've already said in numerous threads I'm buying the game , but I don't have to like everything that is in it, and neither does anyone else.

I find a lot of the stuff that gets brought up sort of crazy, but I have my own "well-publicized" nitpicking as well. Look at the thread I just locked. I realized I had said that before and it would probably turn into piling on anyway.

I do wish every thread wouldn't turn into "I'm not buying unless _____"

[WarningTrackPower]

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Dalger, I cant find it, but i think RTTS added starting as a higher ranked prospect or something of that nature.
someone who knows will chime in I am sure.

From the ESPN Preview:

"
"MLB 12": By the Numbers
There's just so much added to "MLB 12: The Show," the only way I could do it justice is a breakdown some of the stats:
500+ new presentation animations
300+ new fielding, throwing and baserunning animations
150+ new batting stances
75+ new pitching animations
14 new umpires complete with their own personalities
2 new training techniques in Road to the Show (baserunning, fielding), as you're now a Double-A starter who is the most touted prospect on the team.
Add to that the addition of Season and Franchise mode in co-op, new pitcher confidence logic, and franchise improvements that include new contract logic, improved trade logic and an all-new free-agent signing process, and you have the baseball game "Show" fans have been waiting for."



There ya go.

[Knight165]

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You might want to read one of his more recent posts as you will see that is what he is saying.

Yeah....
He's saying pretty much what heroes is saying here.....
Here is Russ' latest post on it.....

Now rain outs and double headers, I've said this in another thread. We aren't that crazy about them in a video game. Cost vs. benefit analysis of development time and resources just doesn't add up. So we aren't going to do it. Unless one of our designers comes up with a compelling and innovative way to do it. Until then rain outs and double headers aren't happening.


M.K.
Knight165

[EmmdotFrisk]

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Props to Russel for pouring through these posts and forums, and especially responding.

[Rules]

Re: MLB 12 The Show Screenshots - Your New Default Camera View and Other Tidbits

Yeah....
He's saying pretty much what heroes is saying here.....
Here is Russ' latest post on it.....

Now rain outs and double headers, I've said this in another thread. We aren't that crazy about them in a video game. Cost vs. benefit analysis of development time and resources just doesn't add up. So we aren't going to do it. Unless one of our designers comes up with a compelling and innovative way to do it. Until then rain outs and double headers aren't happening.


M.K.
Knight165

You know I have mad respect for him (Russell) for stepping up and saying it like it is. I would rather have honesty so that I don't get my hopes up wishing for this and that..........only to never see it.

[spit_bubble]

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Can't help but read this thread and shake my head.

I think it's funny how people can get hung up on one thing and post about it incessantly as if the entire game's outcome is detrimental to this proposed change.

Tunnel vision. So sad.

Let's just completely overlook all the other things changed because what I want isn't in.

OS didn't used to be this way - and we were better off because of it.

The tunnel vision works both ways, with defenders of The Show or even other games conveniently overlooking obvious flaws, and then jumping all over anyone who happens to bring up said flaws.

And please, let's stop with the praise of the community managers that post on this site. They get free feedback from very dedicated gamers. If they can't take a little criticism along the way from some anonymous shmoe on teh intranet then they need to go find a new job. I mean, they should know what they are getting into by now, and be able to navigate the trolls without much trouble.

[ryan36]

Community manager on this title is also a dev. He is not paid to sit on these forums

[nomo17k]

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The tunnel vision works both ways, with defenders of The Show or even other games conveniently overlooking obvious flaws, and then jumping all over anyone who happens to bring up said flaws.

And please, let's stop with the praise of the community managers that post on this site. They get free feedback from very dedicated gamers. If they can't take a little criticism along the way from some anonymous shmoe on teh intranet then they need to go find a new job. I mean, they should know what they are getting into by now, and be able to navigate the trolls without much trouble.

There might be a bit of truth to what you are saying (with regard to what a community manager's job is), but a lot of what gets communicated between the devs and the community here in this specific forum, to me, don't necessarily directly lead to SCEA's profit.

The inclusion of the manage mode is probably a good example... they probably lost money by working on it. If their goal is just to make $$$, I bet it is actually better for the devs to ignore a majority of what we suggest here in OS, because a lot of them are simply very neurotic and just really, really (and perhaps needlessly) hardcore from casual gamers' perspectives.

I'm kinda surprised how some parts of this game is so damn polished, when the majority of target gamers wouldn't even care/realize how carefully engineered the core gameplay engine is... I'm not saying the game's perfect of course, but it's definitely not something that works "good enough" just to fake arcade gamers... and that "good enough" work would've been sufficient if their goal is to just have a profitable franchise.

OS might help the devs to push the Show to its limit, but I don't think that translates into a wide profit margin... so I appreciate that the devs themselves are committed to still improve the game, and also are listening to us along the way.

Well, I might be wrong about our suggestions not making them profitable, of course, but...

... and it's just so sad to reduce everything to monetary (i.e., job) issues... Would you not thank a firefighter if s/he saved a kid from a burning house in a fire? Do you just dismiss it by saying it's his job and he's getting paid to do it? Being respectful is never a bad thing.

[thaSLAB]

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nomo17k, you have really made some great post in this thread. Especially your point about respect...

The devs could easily leave us in the dark, as many do, and tell us "this is our game we made, take it or leave it" - SCEA should really be commended for even submitting themselves to this type of situation. Unless maybe they enjoy the torture.