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  • rudyjuly2
    Cade Cunningham
    • Aug 2002
    • 14816

    #16
    Re: Heads up on Pitch Speeds

    Originally posted by Pared
    Aye - you want a game that you tinker with and they're trying to do the opposite. lol

    Let me guess - you have an Android phone instead of an iPhone?
    I don't even own a real cell phone lol. Pay as you go baby!

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    • gamerk2
      Rookie
      • Sep 2007
      • 324

      #17
      Re: Heads up on Pitch Speeds

      Originally posted by acts238shaun
      In RTTS, MLB 11, it was difficult to steal even WITH the pitch slider @ 0, but it was easier.
      Co-signed; it hurts you can't START out with a guy with say 85 speed, but lower hitting attributes as a counter-balance. You basically have to go on first move, which results in a LOT of pickoffs.

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      • Bahnzo
        Can't spell antetokounmpo
        • Jun 2003
        • 2809

        #18
        Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

        Glad to see this! I fired up '11 last night and played a few games, and even with the pitch speed at 0, I'm pretty much late on fastballs...even when I'm sitting on them. Older eyes with older reaction times I'm sure. Not too mention I was too lazy to hook it up to my LCD monitor and instead played on my laggy TV.

        I'd like to see more of this across all the sliders, along with more minute adjustments as well.
        Steam: Bahnzo

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        • Blzer
          Resident film pundit
          • Mar 2004
          • 42526

          #19
          Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

          Originally posted by Bahnzo
          Glad to see this! I fired up '11 last night and played a few games, and even with the pitch speed at 0, I'm pretty much late on fastballs...even when I'm sitting on them. Older eyes with older reaction times I'm sure. Not too mention I was too lazy to hook it up to my LCD monitor and instead played on my laggy TV.
          Sad to say, Bahnzo, that this game just isn't for you.








































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          • Boboooom
            Rookie
            • Jan 2012
            • 21

            #20
            Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

            Originally posted by Eddy_SCEA

            Just wanted to let you guys know that we are expanding the Pitch speed slider more so that each notch will mean more than it currently does. (Like many of you asked for in another thread) Although ideally we would like to make this more extreme, there is a balance point that we need to be careful with. If we allow the speeds to be too slow or too fast, we jeopardize the balance of the game by making stealing too easy or too difficult. But we were able to open this up more than last year's version without effective the competitive balance of stealing. Hope this helps!

            I think as it is right now the slow is slow enough and if you cant hit then its not the speed it's that you can't hit. I actually want faster more realistic speeds and I hope MLB 12 has them. To balance the stealing issue wouldn't the runners run faster when you choose to have faster pitching?
            Last edited by Boboooom; 01-20-2012, 06:12 PM.

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            • CMH
              Making you famous
              • Oct 2002
              • 26203

              #21
              Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

              Originally posted by Boboooom
              I think as it is right now the slow is slow enough and if you cant hit then its not the speed it's that you can't hit.
              That's not true at all and don't ruin these threads with nonsense comments like this.
              "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

              "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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              • khronikos
                Banned
                • Sep 2010
                • 292

                #22
                Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

                Originally posted by CMH
                That's not true at all and don't ruin these threads with nonsense comments like this.
                To a point this is true. You can slow the game down so much that everybody including my 4 year old nephew could hit but then it would not be baseball. If you cannot catch up with a ball in 12 on the slowest speed it is pretty safe to say imo that this game is not for you and neither is hitting a baseball. Does that mean you should not be able to play it? I cannot answer that as I don't balance the game.

                Short answer no you deserve to be able to play it but if you have not tuned your sliders you are on shaky ground asking for something to be slower so we all then have to retune and rebalance the game because you cannot hit properly. At some point the game will become an arcade game with no talent required.

                You have to max your hitting sliders as well and put all their pitching sliders down. Readjust the batting view. I have a VERY hard time understanding how people cannot hit with all of these things in place. Can some of the people respond as to what they do with their sliders in this game?

                Slowing the game down is only a good thing for this franchise if the faster pitch speeds are balanced for us as well. If they are balanced then everything is fine. But the default stats in this game have been pretty bad in this game and I would not want faster or slower pitch speeds making this even worse. As long as it is balanced then fine add all you want.

                It looks like they solved this anyway as fast pitch speed is equal to a 90mph fastball or a bit more maybe and that should do fine for those of us that want a realistic experience.

                You see though, slowing this down to where you are playing rookie and using the slowest speed you must be getting something in the low 70s. This is already slower than some high school guys pitch. If you cannot hit this how low should we go before we enter the 60s or the 50s? That is a serious question btw.

                It's not baseball at that point in my opinion. Add in all the sliders you can use and you should be able to find something that you can hit with in this game for 12. There are so many options that I just cannot believe people are doing this right. Complaining about changing it to be even slower is not the thing to do until you have tested everything.

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                • dodgerblue
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 1239

                  #23
                  Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

                  How ridiculous, what does it matter to you if a guy wants to slow down the pitch speed? You play it the way you want, and he plays it the way he wants and everyone is happy, no?
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                  • rudyjuly2
                    Cade Cunningham
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 14816

                    #24
                    Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

                    Originally posted by dodgerblue
                    How ridiculous, what does it matter to you if a guy wants to slow down the pitch speed? You play it the way you want, and he plays it the way he wants and everyone is happy, no?
                    Exactly. I don't understand how expanding the sliders so some of us can slow it down a little more would impact anyone else that wouldn't do this. They can keep the default stuff exactly the same, just give me the tools to fine-tune the game for me. If you don't want to slow it down then don't. It won't affect the game at all for you.

                    It's a very simple concept and if some of you can't respect the fact that other people have different skill sets then you need to learn how to respect other peoples' opinions and not just your own.

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                    • CMH
                      Making you famous
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 26203

                      #25
                      Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

                      Originally posted by khronikos
                      To a point this is true.
                      It never fails here.

                      I'm going to ask politely one last time that these comments end right now.
                      "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                      "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                      • khronikos
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 292

                        #26
                        Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

                        Did you guys even read my post before you got on the hate train? I didn't say anything to the detriment of anybody I just proved the point I was trying to make. You'll see in my post the actual fact I say people deserve to be able to play and hit the way they want just not at the detriment to the actual game balance, which the devs brought up in this thread, and without taking into account if the person in question has even tried to mitigate the factors that lead them to not be a good hitter.

                        Please actually read my post before you take out your all powerful mod powers of destruction. This isn't a fascist site AFAIK. I was simply proving a point I made. Nowhere did I say you don't deserve anything and you can stuff it. I also listed MLB 12 as my grounds not MLB 11 as Boboooom did. They will be two very different games.

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                        • rudyjuly2
                          Cade Cunningham
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 14816

                          #27
                          Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

                          Originally posted by khronikos
                          If you cannot catch up with a ball in 12 on the slowest speed it is pretty safe to say imo that this game is not for you and neither is hitting a baseball.
                          So if we do struggle with pitch speed we should just accept that we shouldn't play this game? Please.

                          Originally posted by khronikos
                          you are on shaky ground asking for something to be slower so we all then have to retune and rebalance the game because you cannot hit properly. At some point the game will become an arcade game with no talent required.
                          Are you not reading our posts? If you don't slow down the slider how does this force all of you to retune and rebalance the game. It doesn't.

                          Originally posted by khronikos

                          You have to max your hitting sliders as well and put all their pitching sliders down. Readjust the batting view. I have a VERY hard time understanding how people cannot hit with all of these things in place.
                          Again another post where all you can understand is your own opinion. This has been argued by many of us who struggle.


                          Originally posted by khronikos
                          Add in all the sliders you can use and you should be able to find something that you can hit with in this game for 12. There are so many options that I just cannot believe people are doing this right. Complaining about changing it to be even slower is not the thing to do until you have tested everything.
                          Some of us have tried everything. I can get hits but do I want every fastball to be hit to the opposite field? No. Do I want to strike out a ton and never walk? No. Slowing down pitch speed a little more will allow us to pull more balls and still work a few more walks. Again, if you don't have a problem then don't worry about it. I fail to see how this affects you and yet you seem intent on making sure those that struggle with this aspect continue to struggle.

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                          • CMH
                            Making you famous
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 26203

                            #28
                            Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

                            Originally posted by khronikos
                            Did you guys even read my post before you got on the hate train? I didn't say anything to the detriment of anybody I just proved the point I was trying to make. You'll see in my post the actual fact I say people deserve to be able to play and hit the way they want just not at the detriment to the actual game balance, which the devs brought up in this thread, and without taking into account if the person in question has even tried to mitigate the factors that lead them to not be a good hitter.

                            Please actually read my post before you take out your all powerful mod powers of destruction. This isn't a fascist site AFAIK. I was simply proving a point I made. Nowhere did I say you don't deserve anything and you can stuff it. I also listed MLB 12 as my grounds not MLB 11 as Boboooom did. They will be two very different games.
                            When did I say anything about your argument?

                            I asked that we stop talking about your argument. This is about pitch speeds being slower because the development team found a way to do it without hurting the development time needed for the rest of the game.

                            I'd ask: "So what's the point of your argument?" except that I don't want to read the answer because this has already gone on longer than it needs to. Why am I wasting time having to say this?
                            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                            • khronikos
                              Banned
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 292

                              #29
                              Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

                              Okay, but maybe lighten up geez man. Have a beer or something. I am all for this change in pitch speeds and I think it will solve everything here. Glad they addressed it.

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                              • Pared
                                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 39337

                                #30
                                Re: MLB 12 The Show - Heads Up on Pitch Speeds

                                This is EXACTLY what we don't need in the forums.

                                Back to the topic.
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