MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

**Pared** · 01-27-2012, 10:15 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Originally posted by jd369

correct mechanics and follow throughs are part of gameplay! The fact that they are wrong TAKES AWAY from gameplay

You're pretty wrong here.

The follow through has nothing to do with the swing. It's simply a visual representation of what happens after the bat makes contact with the ball.

There's nothing about the "core mechanics" at play here. When they are to animate player specific follow throughs, nothing will change except eye candy. The bat to ball physics will remain untouched.

As it is right now, you're simply griping over a visual aspect of the game. I care about gameplay probably more than the next guy - having spent a good amount of time with the developer who does this I can assure you that what you're saying is not correct.

**jd369** · 01-27-2012, 10:19 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Originally posted by nomo17k

If you just want to operate only in the way you wish, then I'd guess that's your choice, but I'm just merely pointing out that some people don't appreciate reading the same things over and over. That's not constructive.

Who knows? The devs may have already gotten your message but unable to implement the thing you point out (because of miscellaneous technical complications). But the way you keep repeating the same thing (and basically diluting the effectiveness of your message) they may get annoyed to the extent that you may end up in their ignore list... Who knows if that's already the case?

I don't think that's what you want to happen. I've only used my ignore list once, but if I ever use it then it's for people who post the same thing over and over again...

Thats your choice just like its mine to make sure core gameplay concerns are seen. They may ignore it, who knows. But I do know these guys are in business to make money, the more things they do correctly equates to the more money they make and if they are anything like me they wanna make damn sure everything is done top notch no matter who does or doesnt notice it. Now 2k has an utterly crappy game and I will not play it, but from what someone else said in this thread they do have good mechanics in their game. Ive never understood how they could do so well with the basketball games and completely fall flat on their face with baseball though. Maybe if they would get in gear they would give the show some competition lol!

**nomo17k** · 01-27-2012, 10:28 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Originally posted by jd369

Thats your choice just like its mine to make sure core gameplay concerns are seen. ...

Okay, I put you in my ignore list then...

I'm just letting you know if anybody are like me, then they wouldn't appreciate reading the posts with the same message over and over regardless of the thread topic.

**ericdrum** · 01-27-2012, 10:29 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Originally posted by Pared

You're pretty wrong here.

The follow through has nothing to do with the swing. It's simply a visual representation of what happens after the bat makes contact with the ball.

There's nothing about the "core mechanics" at play here. When they are to animate player specific follow throughs, nothing will change except eye candy. The bat to ball physics will remain untouched.

As it is right now, you're simply griping over a visual aspect of the game. I care about gameplay probably more than the next guy - having spent a good amount of time with the developer who does this I can assure you that what you're saying is not correct.

I agree completely. Honestly, I only know a dozen or so players signature swings and half of them are Dodgers. I would much rather have had them work on the ball physics this year then get my beloved Kemp's swing perfect. Now if SCEA could give me real ads in stadiums like in my PC version of the other game, wow I'd be in heaven. I'm constantly amazed at the things these SCEA devs get right. I'll proudly throw 60 a year at them.

**jd369** · 01-27-2012, 10:32 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Originally posted by Pared

You're pretty wrong here.

The follow through has nothing to do with the swing. It's simply a visual representation of what happens after the bat makes contact with the ball.

There's nothing about the "core mechanics" at play here. When they are to animate player specific follow throughs, nothing will change except eye candy. The bat to ball physics will remain untouched.

As it is right now, you're simply griping over a visual aspect of the game. I care about gameplay probably more than the next guy - having spent a good amount of time with the developer who does this I can assure you that what you're saying is not correct.

You may call it eye candy, but for me its gameplay, no matter if it doesnt effect the bat to ball physics at all (which I do get in an unrealistic way). I just wont ever be ok with this:

thats not even CLOSE and if kinsler looked like that after a swing in real life it would be on a ball in the dirt that he swung and missed at or if he made contact a dribbler back to the pitcher. In the show you get this look even on home runs, which I just cant get on board with.

**Pared** · 01-27-2012, 10:34 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Originally posted by jd369

Thats your choice just like its mine to make sure core gameplay concerns are seen.

Is this an example? Because you seemed to think this was a gameplay question/concern:

Originally posted by jd369

could you add players gripping the bat with their last finger or last couple fingers over the knob of the bat?

You have a whopping 4 posts in the gameplay questions thread.

Originally posted by jd369

Now 2k has an utterly crappy game and I will not play it, but from what someone else said in this thread they do have good mechanics in their game. Ive never understood how they could do so well with the basketball games and completely fall flat on their face with baseball though. Maybe if they would get in gear they would give the show some competition lol!

Stop this - leave these comments out of this forum.

As for Kinsler - I've seen you spam that comment before. Again - that has nothing to do with gameplay. It's a focus for me DESPITE that fact - but you're confused as to what gameplay is... that may be part of the problem.

**jd369** · 01-27-2012, 10:43 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Originally posted by Pared

Is this an example? Because you seemed to think this was a gameplay question/concern:

You have a whopping 4 posts in the gameplay questions thread.

Stop this - leave these comments out of this forum.

As for Kinsler - I've seen you spam that comment before. Again - that has nothing to do with gameplay. It's a focus for me DESPITE that fact - but you're confused as to what gameplay is... that may be part of the problem.

What does how many posts I had in that thread have to do with anything? That was a question I had about if an addition could be made, which I never got an answer too. The posts I made about correct swings went in the graphics thread, which I already stated it may fall under graphics for the dev team but for me its gameplay, Im not confused about gameplay, I just have a different definition. I personally dont care what category it falls under for them as long as it gets fixed.

**itzdaro13** · 01-27-2012, 10:46 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

When will SCEA release some more official info on The Show? Its been awhile since the last blog post. Maybe a Fact Sheet, something!

**thaSLAB** · 01-27-2012, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by itzdaro13

When will SCEA release some more official info on The Show? Its been awhile since the last blog post. Maybe a Fact Sheet, something!

The last blog post was 2 days ago.

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**itzdaro13** · 01-27-2012, 10:52 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Oh damn, let me check that out then, thanks!

**Pared** · 01-27-2012, 10:53 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Originally posted by jd369

I personally dont care what category it falls under for them as long as it gets fixed.

Hey - fair enough; Just trying to help out here. When others are focused on gameplay and you bring up these points, they don't follow because it's not in the same category. It's like going to a biker meet and asking guys if they want to talk about cars - you're going to get some strange looks.

I want it looked at too. I wouldn't have spent a few hours going over some key guys like Phillips and Tex(iera) (from both sides of the plate). They HAVE addressed some and we can look at others when the game is released. But you can't keep pointing to one guy repeatedly and claiming nothing was "fixed" or "addressed" because of this one guy. That's being a bit short-sighted. It's also why a common saying most developers like to use is "being able to see the forest from the trees."

As with EVERY SPORTS GAME, some players were addressed and some need more work. It will always be the case year in and year out. Just compile a list and we'll forward it to where it needs to go after release and hope it can make it in a patch... IF it needs to be addressed. That's all.

**jd369** · 01-27-2012, 10:56 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

I think you may have misunderstood. I wasnt harping on kinsler specifically, I was just using those pictures because they were easy to get to. I could do tons of comparison pics of tons of players if needed I just dont have the time, nor do I have '11 anymore. I am glad they looked at it and I am interested to see just what was done.

**Pared** · 01-27-2012, 11:00 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Well - gone are the 4-5 one handed/two handed follow throughs. We also found a bug that was forcing many lefties to all have Beltran's follow through.

They have more, but I can't recall the number. I believe many were tied to players specifically but there were some that needed to be corrected.

Again - it's not the end of the world. Once the game comes out, just put together a list.

Also, they know that we would like this editable. Not sure if it can make it into the game next year, but they know it's something we would like to see (including editable HR poses).

**myghty** · 01-27-2012, 11:31 AM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

I have a feeling we'll see some new info or video today.... Or maybe its wishful thinking...

Friday, Friday

**Blzer** · 01-27-2012, 12:16 PM

Re: MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

Originally posted by Pared

You're pretty wrong here.

The follow through has nothing to do with the swing. It's simply a visual representation of what happens after the bat makes contact with the ball.

There's nothing about the "core mechanics" at play here. When they are to animate player specific follow throughs, nothing will change except eye candy. The bat to ball physics will remain untouched.

As it is right now, you're simply griping over a visual aspect of the game. I care about gameplay probably more than the next guy - having spent a good amount of time with the developer who does this I can assure you that what you're saying is not correct.

I guess it depends on what your definition of gameplay is, then. Personally, what I call gameplay is "how the user interacts with the information on the screen," nothing more and nothing less. This lends to elements such as the controls, feasibility, fun/replay value, competitive difficulty, and game logic. In my personal definition of the term, "realism" does not fall into gameplay whatsoever. This is why arcade games can still have great gameplay.

It doesn't fall into it when it comes to seeing how the accurate the swing looks (that doesn't tie into "graphics" for me either IMO), nor does it say how the ball will react off the bat.

For me, that term is authenticity. Graphics are all on a technical level: if they achieve a good framerate and little aliasing, can run at a high resolution with decent lighting and texturing, then the game has good graphics. But that doesn't say whether a stadium's colors are correct, a player has the right batting stance, or the skies progress in the right way. IMO that is all tied into authenticity... or rather, "how the game accurately reflects what its intended target is." In this case, MLB 12: The Show is trying to reflect Major League Baseball. The more closely it reflects it (like realistic ball physics and proper camera angles), the happier I am. This is why authenticity is my number one priority when it comes to all video games. Gameplay is at a close second.

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