Well There's an Interesting Insight...

[loganmorrison1]

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Please keep up the conspiracy posts.....
They are making my morning coffee even better!!!

You guys are so far off base it isn't even funny.

Can you seriously say you cannot find a post in which I have said that I don't like the way something is handled in the game?
I'll give you a head start....there was one posted by me LESS THAN 24 HOURS AGO!!!:wink:

Again(for maybe the thousandth time)....it's not critical statements that usually get the shutdown, but the mocking/deriding posts that get the shutdown.

As far as being worried about invites.....
I can't find a laughing icon big enough for this one.


You guys are AWESOME!

M.K.
Knight165

And there is it right on cue. Interesting, seems like people mocked and derided this thread about a statement that PP posted.

The funny thing is, I absolutely love this game, it is still the only game I play to this day. However, if I'm upset that franchise improvements weren't as deep as I would of liked or overlay stats weren't as in-depth, I can't say it without being mocked or told I'm a *****.

[Knight165]

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And there is it right on cue. Interesting, seems like people mocked and derided this thread about a statement that PP posted.

The funny thing is, I absolutely love this game, it is still the only game I play to this day. However, if I'm upset that franchise improvements weren't as deep as I would of liked or overlay stats weren't as in-depth, I can't say it without being mocked or told I'm a *****.

You expect me not to defend...MYSELF?
You guys are specifically targeting CD members....so I guess you are speaking on me here.
What did you expect?
C'mon.

M.K.
Knight165

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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I have been critical of some aspects of franchise mode in the past. Do a search of threads that I have started. But I believe this game does almost everything right.

Nothing is perfect!! But this team works very hard to try to get the perfect product out. They want to fix any issues. Every year they release patches to fix problems that are found by the community.

I enjoy reading posts from people that take an analytical approach at where the game can go to get better, heck there is a great conversation going on about progression right now. But I tune out the crying and threat posts......

SCEA is a business, they have to take a business model approach to game development. We may not all agree on the direction that they go each year, but one thing that I think Almost all of us can agree on, is that no matter what direction they take, it seems to be the right one in the end.

[loganmorrison1]

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You expect me not to defend...MYSELF?
You guys are specifically targeting CD members....so I guess you are speaking on me here.
What did you expect?
C'mon.

M.K.
Knight165

I'm not looking for a fight over this, I'm trying to express the concerns that some people have about what we can and can't post. I can only speak for myself and I can safely say, that if I have a concern about this game, whether someone wants to trivialize it or not, TO ME, it is a concern. I don't come around here looking to post negative comments about the game for the sake of it. I am, and have always been a day 1 purchaser, and as a loyal customer I think I have the right to nitpick about some things. Many of us expect a lot of of this game, reasonable or not, because they have delivered an amazing product every year. I just don't need a positive spin put on things or for me to be mocked if I think something is lacking. This game's innovation was driven by critical and sometimes even unreasonable requests/comments. I just don't see myself as an unreasonable, hate filled person because I believe that some things, IN MY OPINION, have been missed this year

[nomo17k]

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I feel the exact same way. You can't say anything critical about this game otherwise you will shot down immediately and often unnecessarily warned or suspended. SCEA has done a great job of getting a team of free marketers that will defend the game to no end. And the reason I'm saying this is because this game was built on community input and I think there is a lot people on here that would like to give legitimate critical feedback, but it's not worth it b/c they will get shot down and mocked.

Also, I see nothing wrong with this PastaPadre piece he simply stated some info. Everyone keeps saying that he is negative because of some uninvite to Comm Day, isn't that hypocritical, if PP is unfairly negative because of an uninvite, can't it be said that people are unfairly positive because of an invite

I don't wish to join OS ban policy related discussion just because I don't wish to get banned myself... but I've been a newcomer past year (check my join date) trying to adjust to the OS culture and have been subscribing to a lot of the Show-related threads which I receive via email and check all day long, since I work in front of computer all the time... so I've learned some patterns here.

In the beginning I also felt the policy was a bit too tight against those who might be critical, it's very easy to get banned here for trivial stuff, and that's very unfortunate because there's no way to get reinstated AFAIK... it's effectively like receiving a death sentence. So every time I posted, my balls shrank in fear thinking that I might have written something wrong... not that I'm very critical of the game, but I have received an infraction for making lame jokes, etc. But now that my balls have come back to 5/6 of the original size reading many posts by both established OS members and others who perhaps are PBUs, I think what really distinguishes between those who stay and get shunned are how they deliver their messages, not really the contents of those messages.

A vast majority of people who post on internet forums do so to discuss some issues, and OS is no different. After all if they are totally and perfectly happy about the product, they'd be busy playing and not discussing. And that's no different for CD guys, regular OS members, ad PBUs, I think.

Those who get banned, sometimes repeatedly, do often have very good points (many of them shared by non-banned members), but they somehow fail to deliver in a manner that's effective, helpful, and constructive... Could just be how they behave or as simple as wording, but those things count in human interactions.

And no, I do really enjoy the Show but not as a fanboy and certainly have no interest to become part of the inner circle... just want to share the enjoyment for the game with other similarly avid gamers. People here are understandably big supporters of the Show (for good reasons), but I disagree that we cannot ever talk about the game critically. I read those critical and constructive posts all the time here. You just need to behave and deliver as you do in real life, not as an anonymous poster on an anonymous forum... That's how I'm seeing...

[stealyerface]

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Whoa.. whoa... Easy now fellas.

I did not post this to incite a riot. My point was that I thought it interesting that in my mind, the "Source" was seeming to say that even though they worked hard on the Vita, there was not much in the regular version that was sacrificed because of the development of the new platform.

However, PP threw out a headline that stated The Show suffered as a result of the Vita.

In the title of my thread, I was simply stating that the insight from one person to another was so differently read from one person to the next..

Kind of like fixing interior dugout wall colors before ball physics...

A wise man once sang, "We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view".

That is all.
~syf

[major major]

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Whoa.. whoa... Easy now fellas.

I did not post this to incite a riot. My point was that I thought it interesting that in my mind, the "Source" was seeming to say that even though they worked hard on the Vita, there was not much in the regular version that was sacrificed because of the development of the new platform.

However, PP threw out a headline that stated The Show suffered as a result of the Vita.

In the title of my thread, I was simply stating that the insight from one person to another was so differently read from one person to the next..

Kind of like fixing interior dugout wall colors before ball physics...

A wise man once sang, "We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view".

That is all.
~syf

Gerry Garcia?

[loganmorrison1]

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I don't wish to join OS ban policy related discussion just because I don't wish to get banned myself... but I've been a newcomer past year (check my join date) trying to adjust to the OS culture and have been subscribing to a lot of the Show-related threads which I receive via email and check all day long, since I work in front of computer all the time... so I've learned some patterns here.

In the beginning I also felt the policy was a bit too tight against those who might be critical, it's very easy to get banned here for trivial stuff, and that's very unfortunate because there's no way to get reinstated AFAIK... it's effectively like receiving a death sentence. So every time I posted, my balls shrank in fear thinking that I might have written something wrong... not that I'm very critical of the game, but I have received an infraction for making lame jokes, etc. But now that my balls have come back to 5/6 of the original size reading many posts by both established OS members and others who perhaps are PBUs, I think what really distinguishes between those who stay and get shunned are how they deliver their messages, not really the contents of those messages.

A vast majority of people who post on internet forums do so to discuss some issues, and OS is no different. After all if they are totally and perfectly happy about the product, they'd be busy playing and not discussing. And that's no different for CD guys, regular OS members, ad PBUs, I think.

Those who get banned, sometimes repeatedly, do often have very good points (many of them shared by non-banned members), but they somehow fail to deliver in a manner that's effective, helpful, and constructive... Could just be how they behave or as simple as wording, but those things count in human interactions.

And no, I do really enjoy the Show but not as a fanboy and certainly have no interest to become part of the inner circle... just want to share the enjoyment for the game with other similarly avid gamers. People here are understandably big supporters of the Show (for good reasons), but I disagree that we cannot ever talk about the game critically. I read those critical and constructive posts all the time here. You just need to behave and deliver as you do in real life, not as an anonymous poster on an anonymous forum... That's how I'm seeing...

This is excellent advice. And believe me, I try to do the same, I don't come around here and say this is BS or I hate SCEA. I comment on the good and the bad. The difficult thing, at least from my perspective, is if you are posting genuine negative comments, you're putting yourself out there to be attacked, so most of the time it's not even worth commenting. I just felt as though the comments made by PP didn't warrant the mocking and scorn he was getting. Granted, I don't know his history and maybe he does have a vendetta against SCEA. I just felt as though he posted something as a statement for discussion, and it turned into a witch hunt.
As SYF said, it was one man's interpretation about a comment made, and I think it merits discussion, because as someone stated, SCEA is a business and realistically the PS3 version had to endure some sort of sacrifice to make way for programming needed for the Vista. I don't think the sacrifice was that big of a deal that I wouldn't purchase; but I am a little disappointed because I was hoping for more; just like I was disappointed in '10 when we didn't get the new player models. I got over it in '10 and loved the game as I am sure I will in '12

[Pared]

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I love the show its more or less the only game i play.

However I have to say this show forum seems to be the only one on OS that gets this level of people defending it no matter what.

If it wasn't for this forum, this game wouldn't have had the changes made to it that it has over the years that compliment the developers work.

This is the case for ALL the forums. People offer suggestions and developers listen. You know - critiques to a game that help bring about evolution. Perhaps people understand that here more than others.

Either way - this isn't the avenue to discuss this. This thread is about the article, not how people respond to this forum.

[econoodle]

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are people really putting Bryan from pasta padre on blast?

man in the mirror.

[Blzer]

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What I love about this series, is that even when we don't get the upgrades we want, they find a way to give us something we didn't even know we wanted. In this case, if they never improved the ball physics, I don't think I ever would have noticed. It seemed fine to me the way it was. But as many people who have seen it have implied: "Once you've seen it, you can't un-see it".

I guess it depends on who you talk to, but this is the exact point I always try to get across. I've done it with ball physics, player models, lighting progression, camera works, stadium color palette, etc. Whenever I make these posts, people are thinking I'm complaining. When the changes are made, all is [seemingly] forgiven. Just remember, this game is where it is because of these certain things being right; it's not just where it's at for no reason whatsoever.

Let's just hope the latter elements I brought up are addressed at one point or another.

[BobSacamano]

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Sacrificing Franchise upgrades for Vita time is no different from sacrificing commentary upgrades for RTTS time, or sacrificing fielding improvement for batting physics upgrades. This stuff happens every year, to every single development team in existence, for every single game. There will ALWAYS be something that could have been worked on, at the expense of something that was, and I find it somewhat silly that this illogical complaint gets repeated as much as it does.

It looks like the PS3 version got plenty of love, and I'm quite positive that my $60 will be very well spent, but your post kinda hurts your point. They still had to make the usual sacrifices that every development team has to make, but they ALSO had to make ones in favor of the Vita. So the cumulative effect is worse than usual.

Dev teams also have to figure out how to allocate their resources, but unfortunately (for me, at least) this year they allocated their resources to something that won't benefit me at all.

Like I said, though, I'm rather positive that the game will still be awesome, because it always has been. If there's a dev team that's earned the benefit of the doubt, it's these guys.

[Pared]

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They still had to make the usual sacrifices that every development team has to make, but they ALSO had to make ones in favor of the Vita..

This was done every year for the previous installments with the PS2 and PSP versions. They were not simply "roster updates."

So taking that into account, they actually had less to account for this year.

Mind you - MANY articles were written asking for franchise support across both platforms.

[brewersfan84]

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The PS3 version will be fine fellas, relax. This is an easy buy for me, I pre-ordered this game the first day you could, just on the track record this game has alone. Long live MLB the Show!

[woz411]

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Personally i think handheld gaming in general is a dead genre, gameboy, psp, all of them, no doubt The Show on Vita will be a great game but especially when the next round of next gen consoles hit, possibly next year (PS4/XBox 720) then im really surprised Sony went back into the handheld market with Vita.

its not coming out next year. CEO of sony has said that they have no plans to release the PS4 (or even announce it) for a while. so the show will still be out for the PS3/VITA for a while