MLB 12 The Show Franchise Mode Improvements

[tabarnes19_SDS]

I can see that but does it work in the reverse? If I have a player who is a 50 contact vs L but for some reason in year 2013, he decides to hit .560 in the year against LHP. Will his contact vs L go up the next year due to his average vs LHP the year before? Otherwise I don't see much point of the stats, then just as a curiosity.

I disagree. Does a player that has a career year automatically become a better player? Sometimes stats are anomalies. There are examples of players hitting .250 for a career then winning a batting title. Or hitting an avg of 10 homers a year then having a year they hit 50 does not necessarily mean that it is what they are.

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[Knight165]

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Thanks Knight, thats what I thought. Has there ever been any talk of implementing that? Would people want that? Even if its a minimal improvement/downgrade, I think it would be cool to have the player improve based on stats.

We've had a discussion about this on the boards and some want it totally stat driven. I think that would be a huge error.
I wouldn't mind seeing something where stats gave a % chance of a better increase in progression in a certain area......but IMO stats driving progression solely would lead to laddering(runaway gains/losses) that would totally deride the game of realism in that area.

From what I gather.....potentials...and progression are getting a look at for '13()...so I'm itching to see what they come up with!



M.K.
Knight165

[ty5oke]

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I disagree. Does a player that has a career year automatically become a better player? Sometimes stats are anomalies. There are examples of players hitting .250 for a career then winning a batting title. Or hitting an avg of 10 homers a year then having a year they hit 50 does not necessarily mean that it is what they are.

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Too me, stats show trends of players especially over large sample sizes. I also wouldn't make it a tremendous leap and would have random variation accountable to players could still have those monster years.

But it just seems like every player already has their attribute career already hard coded in the game, where I would prefer it to be dynamic. If Danny Hultzen, is a potential "A" and 23 years old, won't he progress a regardless for a certain amount of years until he reaches that age limit where it is coded for him to begin the decline. Using extreme cased, if Hultzen goes 0-20 7.99 era for 3 years straight, I would hope his overall attributes go down.

[Eucharist79]

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Thanks for your kind, diligent, and super-appropriate responses to my initial post, Mr. Tbarnes and Mr. Knight. I hope that I am wrong about my comment in regards to statistics. I would like to know if within the League Leaders section of the game, if Sabermetrics are included? Do we have a Top 50 listing for those stats like we do for HR and ERA? Do they inform us in the Manual what the Sabermetrics statistics mean? I also want to say that the overall sim stats for Runners-In-Scoring-Position per team is .30 to .40 points low per team, which results in overall teams runs scored during the season to be 40 to 60 runs short per team. I have messaged Russell many times about this, and hopefully he chose to fix this glaring problem. I may be on the way to being banned by simply being honest, if I fail to kiss butt like those who always defend this game.

[ty5oke]

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We've had a discussion about this on the boards and some want it totally stat driven. I think that would be a huge error.
I wouldn't mind seeing something where stats gave a % chance of a better increase in progression in a certain area......but IMO stats driving progression solely would lead to laddering(runaway gains/losses) that would totally deride the game of realism in that area.

From what I gather.....potentials...and progression are getting a look at for '13()...so I'm itching to see what they come up with!



M.K.
Knight165

Ya, I can definitely see where it would be hard to balance the progression with a mixture of both. I guess I just don't get why people care so much about the stats when it doesn't affect(effect, I never know) the game.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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Yes progression is something that Knight and I asked for some tweaking. I would love to see busts and diamonds. I may be in the minority on this, but I would love to have potentials hidden inside franchise mode. Scouts and stats are your only guide.

[ty5oke]

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Yes progression is something that Knight and I asked for some tweaking. I would love to see busts and diamonds. I may be in the minority on this, but I would love to have potentials hidden inside franchise mode. Scouts and stats are your only guide.

You could count me in that minority too.

[Marino]

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Knight165

So for Dee Gordon it will read Devarius Gordon?

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[MetsFan16]

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When you're at the player card and you're looking at the advanced stats, does it tell you what they mean? Because I remeber seeing a screenshot of the player card and there was a stat that I had no idea about.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Thanks for your kind, diligent, and super-appropriate responses to my initial post, Mr. Tbarnes and Mr. Knight. I hope that I am wrong about my comment in regards to statistics. I would like to know if within the League Leaders section of the game, if Sabermetrics are included? Do we have a Top 50 listing for those stats like we do for HR and ERA? Do they inform us in the Manual what the Sabermetrics statistics mean? I also want to say that the overall sim stats for Runners-In-Scoring-Position per team is .30 to .40 points low per team, which results in overall teams runs scored during the season to be 40 to 60 runs short per team. I have messaged Russell many times about this, and hopefully he chose to fix this glaring problem. I may be on the way to being banned by simply being honest, if I fail to kiss butt like those who always defend this game.

I am not 100% sure...but I believe league leaders have same stats as 11.

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[metal134]

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I disagree. Does a player that has a career year automatically become a better player? Sometimes stats are anomalies. There are examples of players hitting .250 for a career then winning a batting title. Or hitting an avg of 10 homers a year then having a year they hit 50 does not necessarily mean that it is what they are.

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But sometimes, they DO become a better player. Sometimes, you do have a guy who hits .250 every year till he's 30 and then goes on to win MULTIPLE batting titles. Sometimes a guy averages 10 homeruns a year, suddenly hits 50 and goes on to hit 30-40 every year. So it does happen occasionally and I would like to see video games reflect that fact a bit better. Not just the Show, but all sports games need to do a better job in this department.

[Knight165]

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So for Dee Gordon it will read Devarius Gordon?

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I'll bet you it does on his check!

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

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But sometimes, they DO become a better player. Sometimes, you do have a guy who hits .250 every year till he's 30 and then goes on to win MULTIPLE batting titles. Sometimes a guy averages 10 homeruns a year, suddenly hits 50 and goes on to hit 30-40 every year. So it does happen occasionally and I would like to see video games reflect that fact a bit better. Not just the Show, but all sports games need to do a better job in this department.

Yes....but wouldn't this be handled better by a big progression increase one or maybe two times...then leveling....resulting in better attributes and therefore ratings rather than a guy hitting .290....big increase.... .310....big increase..... .330...big increase...... .350.......big increase to max. If his stats drive progression....how do you make it stop at some point....reach max?

Plus.....that would make being a GM rather mundane.
Look at the league leader boards..."oh look....there is my next big point gainer"......ho hum

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Knight165

[tabarnes19_SDS]

But sometimes, they DO become a better player. Sometimes, you do have a guy who hits .250 every year till he's 30 and then goes on to win MULTIPLE batting titles. Sometimes a guy averages 10 homeruns a year, suddenly hits 50 and goes on to hit 30-40 every year. So it does happen occasionally and I would like to see video games reflect that fact a bit better. Not just the Show, but all sports games need to do a better job in this department.

Ideally this would be nice, but what would the ai use to determine which player to do that to?

Computer ai has to have definitive logic. Things humans do in real life sometimes defy that logic.

If they make it completely random how many guys would complain when a Fielder drops 30 ovl points because he had a bad year or the randomness kicked in.

Or the human controlled team gets better and better because the user is a great stick jockey??

I don't know the right way to do it. That's why I'd like potential hidden.

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[nomo17k]

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But sometimes, they DO become a better player. Sometimes, you do have a guy who hits .250 every year till he's 30 and then goes on to win MULTIPLE batting titles. Sometimes a guy averages 10 homeruns a year, suddenly hits 50 and goes on to hit 30-40 every year. So it does happen occasionally and I would like to see video games reflect that fact a bit better. Not just the Show, but all sports games need to do a better job in this department.

One thing you shouldn't confuse is this:

(1) The guy got suddenly better. He happened to perform in that breakout year by accident, and for some reason having that great year affected his ability to perform in subsequent years.

(2) The guy got suddenly better. He just worked on his skills off-season (or whatever that could improve him), and his stats in that breakout year and subsequent seasons just reflect that.


Think Bautista.... He performed better not because he happened to have a good year by chance and felt good about it. His ability actually made a sudden jump for some reason. The stats merely reflect that. (1) is not likely to happen unless having good stats have such a profound and staggering effect on the psychology and ability of players.