ESPN:Review: MLB 12 The Show better than ever

[garyjr33]

Re: ESPN:Review: MLB 12 The Show better than ever

"and it speaks to what has always been The Show series' greatest strength: It never FORCES you to change the way you play the game. Every year, new controls are added or enhanced while always leaving you the option of staying with the buttons and systems that you've always enjoyed."....I have always felt that this is a very subtle thing that a lot of people take for granted. But the fact that they leave all of the options in the game truly allows you to play the game the way you want to play the game. I love this aspect of the Show.

[CMH]

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Good review, but I'm gonna have to card him for bringing up Madden in a The Show review.

[Bahnzo]

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Pitching repertoire is a non issue for those of us who use OSFM.

While agreed about some inaccuracies, one of the MLB players made a good point, most well known are right, when others become more known, they end up getting fixed.

So glad the game is customizable.

But for those who play online, this is a problem.

Knight's excellent rosters are a two way street. They are without doubt the best in accuracy and completeness. Because of this SCEA skimps on rosters, knowing the community will correct them.

It's embarrassing for pitch repertoire's to be incorrect with all the data and information that's available nowadays.

[Taffin]

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Good review, but I'm gonna have to card him for bringing up Madden in a The Show review.

And I'm going to have to ring you up for using a soccer reference in a comment about a Madden reference in a Show review.

[CMH]

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They are without doubt the best in accuracy and completeness. Because of this SCEA skimps on rosters, knowing the community will correct them.

This is conjecture and I use that term too freely as well because I doubt SCEA will both disprove your theory in wording or even acknowledge it to disprove it.

Either way, you have no proof to support this thought and for that it doesn't have any place here when it only creates a myth in the forums.

[nomo17k]

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But for those who play online, this is a problem.

Knight's excellent rosters are a two way street. They are without doubt the best in accuracy and completeness. Because of this SCEA skimps on rosters, knowing the community will correct them.

It's embarrassing for pitch repertoire's to be incorrect with all the data and information that's available nowadays.

Ramone@SCEA once implied that they do actually use Pitch/fx, so they probably do use the data. But it is how they use the data that is the issue.

I think it's nice that a major press points out the issue like that... the reviewer is actually looking deeper into the game, and that hopefully gives the devs incentive to do better on the said point.

BTW, generally a great review, ESPN!!

[jacketman03]

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I love this review for the simple fact that it gives me visual evidence of the most amazing/awful thing in all of baseball-the HR feature in Miami.

[Knight165]

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For guys that want changes to pitch arsenals and any glaring errors in players in regards to ratings or info....Lorne is open to hearing these and fixing them.
I know he has said to PM him directly (Lorne_SCEA)...but I think even starting a thread in the ROSTER section.....and someone gathering the suggested changes all in one PM would be fine..(rather than swamping him)
I can't guarantee he can get to them all, but it's worth a shot.

(PS....I don't know if anyone is tackling the pitch edit version of OSFM this year!(it is a massive undertaking)

M.K.
Knight165

[FreezeTime]

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Okay so I am not down with the OSFM and other ones I see. Does OSFM mean operation sports full minors? Where are these awesome, completely updated minor and major league rosters for MLB 11 The Show? Are they online through MLB 11 the Show? What are they called? I won't be getting 12 for a while due to money issues so how do I find the most up to date roster set for MLB 11 the show and where??

Thanks in advance.

[rdub78]

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Okay so I am not down with the OSFM and other ones I see. Does OSFM mean operation sports full minors? Where are these awesome, completely updated minor and major league rosters for MLB 11 The Show? Are they online through MLB 11 the Show? What are they called? I won't be getting 12 for a while due to money issues so how do I find the most up to date roster set for MLB 11 the show and where??

Thanks in advance.

Go to the Roster section of this board and check out the OSFM Variation Sets. Check the first page for updates.

[Jgainsey]

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Ramone@SCEA once implied that they do actually use Pitch/fx, so they probably do use the data. But it is how they use the data that is the issue.

Yes he did. Actually, I think it might have been Russel.

It was in response to a post I had made saying that pitch speeds, repertoire, and fastball types were so far off(not in all cases, but more than enough...), that even mentioning pitch f/x and The Show's rosters in the same sentence is a little absurd.

I didn't say all of that, but I was definitely surprised to see Russel respond to me by saying that those kind of things were "based completely off of stats". I'm not sure where one would find "stats" as incorrect as these, but I was definitely put off by the shortness of the response.

The Show is easily my favorite sports game, and probably my favorite franchise of all time at this point. But it was a little off-putting to see a developer that has been completely forthcoming with the community shrug off this undeniably honest complaint.

That being said, any sign of SCEA's willingness to work on this problem is great. So that is nice to see from Lorne.

[nomo17k]

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Yes he did. Actually, I think it might have been Russel.

It was in response to a post I had made saying that pitch speeds, repertoire, and fastball types were so far off(not in all cases, but more than enough...), that even mentioning pitch f/x and The Show's rosters in the same sentence is a little absurd.

I didn't say all of that, but I was definitely surprised to see Russel respond to me by saying that those kind of things were "based completely off of stats". I'm not sure where one would find "stats" as incorrect as these, but I was definitely put off by the shortness of the response.

The Show is easily my favorite sports game, and probably my favorite franchise of all time at this point. But it was a little off-putting to see a developer that has been completely forthcoming with the community shrug off this undeniably honest complaint.

That being said, any sign of SCEA's willingness to work on this problem is great. So that is nice to see from Lorne.

IIRC, Ramone and Russell are the same person. Of course we cannot rule out the possibility one of them (or both) is a figment of our imagination...

The devs don't have any obligation to reveal how exactly things are done, and Ramone mostly gives quick-to-the-point responses and we cannot really fault him for that...

I don't know how often the devs update (parts of) their rosters, but it's possible that they cannot deal well with newcomers for which relevant pitch f/x data haven't been accumulated enough. If they leave guys like that for two or three years without being updated you may get something what we see in the default SCEA rosters.

[Bahnzo]

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I don't know how often the devs update (parts of) their rosters, but it's possible that they cannot deal well with newcomers for which relevant pitch f/x data haven't been accumulated enough. If they leave guys like that for two or three years without being updated you may get something what we see in the default SCEA rosters.

This is the problem I believe. They add pitchers when they have no accumulation of real world data, so of course they have to do the best with what they have. The problem is they rarely get an update unless that player becomes better known and it's obvious their pitch types are wrong. And so year after year pitchers appear on rosters with completely wrong pitches.

It's something that for years has been a problem, but because other's clean it up and fix it there's not much incentive to change it. I'm glad to see the review notice and focus on it.

[Jgainsey]

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IIRC, Ramone and Russell are the same person. Of course we cannot rule out the possibility one of them (or both) is a figment of our imagination...

The devs don't have any obligation to reveal how exactly things are done, and Ramone mostly gives quick-to-the-point responses and we cannot really fault him for that...

I don't know how often the devs update (parts of) their rosters, but it's possible that they cannot deal well with newcomers for which relevant pitch f/x data haven't been accumulated enough. If they leave guys like that for two or three years without being updated you may get something what we see in the default SCEA rosters.

Lol.. yeah, I guess we are talking about the same person.

And I know they have no obligation to anyone here. Hell, I'm just happy that they are here.

But... this problem isn't simply relegated to obscure players or newcomers who haven't accumulated enough pitch f/x data. It's across the board when it comes to this particular issue, and it's one of the game's biggest shortcomings, imo.

And honestly, it really isn't that big of a deal. This game is so good that it can easily make up for a glaring flaw like this one. But let's not beat around the bush here. It's a very real issue, and I'm a little surprised that they wouldn't cop to it, given the opportunity, or at least give us a perfectly acceptable "we're aware of the issue, and we're working on it"... or even just a "we'll look into it".

He wasn't obligated to respond, but given that he did respond, it would have been nice to get something a little better than "everything is based of stats".

[Jgainsey]

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This is the problem I believe. They add pitchers when they have no accumulation of real world data, so of course they have to do the best with what they have. The problem is they rarely get an update unless that player becomes better known and it's obvious their pitch types are wrong. And so year after year pitchers appear on rosters with completely wrong pitches.

It's something that for years has been a problem, but because other's clean it up and fix it there's not much incentive to change it. I'm glad to see the review notice and focus on it.

I'm not sure that they neglect this particular area simply because of the community effort, but who knows...

They would almost have to start from scratch if they really wanted to attack this issue head on, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's just something they're putting off due to lack of priority and/or resources.

Plus, it's probably only an issue that a small percentage of us even pick up on, so I completely understand why it is they way it is... It would just be nice if they acknowledged the issue. And maybe they already have, and I just wasn't around to catch the post.