Trade Logic in The Show 12?

[lgkeeper]

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I was messing with my franchise and was able to trade RA Dickey for Matt Wieters and Zack Britton, 30 games into my Mets franchise.

Ruh Roh.

[lgkeeper]

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Trade logic is jacked. It's official. Just traded Brett Tomko to the Rockies for Carlos Gonzalez. After game 1

Well, this was fun. Guess it's 30 team control yet again.

[Braves Fan]

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What the CPU will accept from me doesn't bother me, I mean I don't have to accept those offers. I can offer fair deals only. I really don't want to see unrealistic trades from CPU trades though.

I really don't want to play with 30 team control this year and I probably won't. It's just too much of a hassle.

[Comp625]

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Im pretty sure you can go in and oversee things as necessary.

30 team control doesnt mean you have to do everything for every team.

CAN you do this? I don't recall being able to do this in The Show 11. It was either: (A) take control of all 30 teams and the CPU doesn't make any moves OR (B) don't take control of all 30 teams and let the CPU do all of the trades.

In other words, can I take control of all 30 teams and still watch the CPU make trades with itself?

What the CPU will accept from me doesn't bother me, I mean I don't have to accept those offers. I can offer fair deals only. I really don't want to see unrealistic trades from CPU trades though.

I'm not talking about CPU offering trade proposals to the player. I'm talking about CPU to CPU trades. Oftentimes, we'll see a star player get traded away from a 1st place team, and in return, the team team gets back a 2 C-level playersthat get dumped into the Minors. The trade logic in The Show 11 was pretty bad, but according to other posters on OS, improvements made in The Show 12 were not fully effective.

[Comp625]

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Yes, you can...First you have to make 2 settings profiles (I usually make Custom 1 for my settings, and Custom 2 that is set up for the CPU) But make sure you go to something like "Game Mode Options" (Sorry, don't have the game in front of me) and make sure you set trading, contracts, and all that to Auto for Custom 2.

Then what you do is choose all 30 teams in the beginning of the franchise, choose the team you want and make that profile Custom 1, then make all 29 other teams Custom 2.

Once you get into the game, you can go to the transaction screen, and scroll through each team and see if they have any pending offers for trades. You can then go in and decline the trade if you feel the trade is unfair like Albert Pujols for 3 minor leaguers.

AH, awesome! I didn't know that. Clearly, the option wasn't straightforward because I remember reading the "Help" screen (by pressing the Select button in The Show 11) and it said that my ability to control other teams was locked if I didn't opt to Control all 30 teams right then and there.

[bruinsftw2k]

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What they need to do is have it like fantasy baseball commisioner, and let you (the main user) veteo any CPU trades that are not fair. That would solve everything

[joshize]

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What they need to do is have it like fantasy baseball commisioner, and let you (the main user) veteo any CPU trades that are not fair. That would solve everything

This is a great idea and a quick way out of the situation. Should be easy enough.

There should be something in the logic that notices the roster foundation and notices that Chipper Jones has been with the Braves since the year 1900 and knows not to trade him. I think this recurring trade is the one that bugs me the most.

I'm a BASEBALL fan, not just a Pirates fan. Seeing Chipper Jones NOT on the Braves is sickening to me.

Jason Varitek and Jorge Posada proved to us this offseason that loyalty is more important.

In this first season sim I saw Chipper Jones, Mariano Rivera, Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, Ryan Howard, Ichiro, and Todd Helton all traded!

And Carlos Beltran (hitting over .300 with 10 HR at all star break) was on the block with the Cardinals 3 GB.
And Jose Bautista (hitting .280 with 24 HR at all star break) on the block as well.

These types of trades are unrealistic. And it starts because almost everyone on this game has a 1 year contract. If a player is on the last year of his contract, the CPU will put him on the block.

I realize the game doesn't know "Todd Helton" and "Chipper Jones" but just their attributes... but that seems like a double standard because they are still willing to trade away good players.

So, the ability to veto trades is a good idea. Also, maybe a trade frequency slider? Limit the number of trades made throughout the season?

I'm playing with injuries off right now. I'm just excited to play but I'm waiting for OSFM to really dig deep. So injuries aren't messing with mine. But honestly, I'm not sure if I can play with trades because most players' Durability ratings are in the 50s.

Durability and speed should have almost NO factor on your overall rating. The game values speed way to highly and you have to pay lead off hitters 18M per year. Not every team is as dumb as the Miami Marlins to pay that kind of money for a lead off hitter. lol

Trade Logic still needs work.

[Redacted01]

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This is a great idea and a quick way out of the situation. Should be easy enough.

There should be something in the logic that notices the roster foundation and notices that Chipper Jones has been with the Braves since the year 1900 and knows not to trade him. I think this recurring trade is the one that bugs me the most.

I'm a BASEBALL fan, not just a Pirates fan. Seeing Chipper Jones NOT on the Braves is sickening to me.

Jason Varitek and Jorge Posada proved to us this offseason that loyalty is more important.

In this first season sim I saw Chipper Jones, Mariano Rivera, Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, Ryan Howard, Ichiro, and Todd Helton all traded!

And Carlos Beltran (hitting over .300 with 10 HR at all star break) was on the block with the Cardinals 3 GB.
And Jose Bautista (hitting .280 with 24 HR at all star break) on the block as well.

These types of trades are unrealistic. And it starts because almost everyone on this game has a 1 year contract. If a player is on the last year of his contract, the CPU will put him on the block.

I realize the game doesn't know "Todd Helton" and "Chipper Jones" but just their attributes... but that seems like a double standard because they are still willing to trade away good players.

So, the ability to veto trades is a good idea. Also, maybe a trade frequency slider? Limit the number of trades made throughout the season?

I'm playing with injuries off right now. I'm just excited to play but I'm waiting for OSFM to really dig deep. So injuries aren't messing with mine. But honestly, I'm not sure if I can play with trades because most players' Durability ratings are in the 50s.

Durability and speed should have almost NO factor on your overall rating. The game values speed way to highly and you have to pay lead off hitters 18M per year. Not every team is as dumb as the Miami Marlins to pay that kind of money for a lead off hitter. lol

Trade Logic still needs work.

On the block doesn't mean traded, though. If they were actually traded and it was a dumb trade, sure. But I see nothing wrong with a player being shopped. Sure, it could still be looked at, but I don't see anything seriously wrong until players get moved in dumb trades as others have pointed out great examples.

Then again, I remember MVP having it's quirks and I survived. As soon as you start a franchise, you are deviating from real life. Everybody's jaw drops when so-and-so gets traded and you go "That does not happen in real life!" but you are now playing in an alternate reality. An alternate reality that may still need work, but alternate nonetheless.

Example, Chipper Jones no longer in a Braves uniform seems possible to me even if you think it is impossible. I mean, how many thought a couple years ago that Peyton Manning would no longer be a Colt?

[andrewochs615]

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CAN you do this? I don't recall being able to do this in The Show 11. It was either: (A) take control of all 30 teams and the CPU doesn't make any moves OR (B) don't take control of all 30 teams and let the CPU do all of the trades.

In other words, can I take control of all 30 teams and still watch the CPU make trades with itself?



I'm not talking about CPU offering trade proposals to the player. I'm talking about CPU to CPU trades. Oftentimes, we'll see a star player get traded away from a 1st place team, and in return, the team team gets back a 2 C-level playersthat get dumped into the Minors. The trade logic in The Show 11 was pretty bad, but according to other posters on OS, improvements made in The Show 12 were not fully effective.

Yes you can. With 30 team control most people use 2 profile. 1 is user settings or the one you use, and then one is a general file which I normally name CPU.

Then you start your franchise and select every team. But, under profile select you use your profile for the team you want to be and you change all the other teams to CPU.

Then when you start your franchise go under the CPU settings and change all of the "modes" to auto. This will allow the CPU to do everything. What I normally do is change "trades" under modes to manual until July which will stop any CPU trades. Then come July I change it back and monitor trades and cancel out ones I disagree with.

I am sure someone will post a tutorial on how to do this in detail eventually.

[JT2111]

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AH, awesome! I didn't know that. Clearly, the option wasn't straightforward because I remember reading the "Help" screen (by pressing the Select button in The Show 11) and it said that my ability to control other teams was locked if I didn't opt to Control all 30 teams right then and there.

The only problem with doing it this way is you have to check the proposed trades section EVERY DAY to make sure an unfair trade doesn't happen. I love the idea of a human commissioner and every time ANY trade is approved you get a prompt on the screen making you aware of the trade and giving you the option of vetoing the trade.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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I don't see any problem with playerd being shopped or even certain players being traded as long as the logic makes sense. I am sure the Rockies would love to unload Heltons deal.

We mentioned a NTC that we would be able to edit in to prevent certain trades while at CD.

[econoodle]

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OK so in my sim Marlins I do this trade:

Mariano, Kuroda, A-Rod
for Bell and 2 roster fillers

lets not be so quick to poo poo this one..

they offered those three?
or did u compile the trade pieces?

not that it fully matters.

but who were the other guys, the filler?

Mariano is 42 and is on his final year.
hes not 'MO' to the yankees in-game, hes just a 42 year old closer who is on the final year of his deal and will probably retire in the game.
A-rod is probably trending down and they might want to unload the contract.
Kuroda was a one year rental for the yanks.

Bell could be the yanks replacement at closer and the other guys you mentioned could have been the keys.

not trying to defend the trade as i myself have seen a bunch of head scratchers in past editions [Pujols for Big Papi anyone], i am just trying to maybe show you a different way to see things.

[M_Yeager]

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I still like 30 team control. This is what I did last year....

I made a custom profile for each team(make sure you name them....BOS, NYY, PHL, SF, etc) and kept trades to manual for the all teams until the teams were out of contention. Once a team is out of contention I will change trades for those teams to auto. This way they can offer trades.

This way trades will happen between those teams not in contention, they are not detected unless you look at the pending trades but that doesn't bother me...but if a trade is proposed from a rebuilding team to a contending team that is on manual, you will get a pop up for the contending team.

It gets me by ............until they implement a better system. I do like the commissioner veto idea.

[econoodle]

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This is a great idea and a quick way out of the situation. Should be easy enough.

There should be something in the logic that notices the roster foundation and notices that Chipper Jones has been with the Braves since the year 1900 and knows not to trade him. I think this recurring trade is the one that bugs me the most.

I'm a BASEBALL fan, not just a Pirates fan. Seeing Chipper Jones NOT on the Braves is sickening to me.


I realize the game doesn't know "Todd Helton" and "Chipper Jones" but just their attributes... but that seems like a double standard because they are still willing to trade away good players.
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this is why i think they should have 'player roles'

If Chipper, Jeter, etc had a role like say, TEAM ICON, you could have it attached to the code that any player with the same team for 10 years or more, will rarely listen to other offers in FA or have a right to block trades when u try to trade him. A pop up can say, 'Chipper has refused the trade to the Pirates'.

Many other roles can be implemented to take trade logic and franchise in general into the upper deck.

[Cozar]

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this is why i think they should have 'player roles'

If Chipper, Jeter, etc had a role like say, TEAM ICON, you could have it attached to the code that any player with the same team for 10 years or more, will rarely listen to other offers in FA or have a right to block trades when u try to trade him. A pop up can say, 'Chipper has refused the trade to the Pirates'.

Many other roles can be implemented to take trade logic and franchise in general into the upper deck.

Alternatively, implementing 10/5 rights (players are allowed to veto trades after 10 years of MLB service and 5 years with the same team) and no-trade clauses (with logic so low rated players don't get them) would go a long way toward making trades realisitic without the need for making hidden emotional characteristics of future prospects to make them "team icons."