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  • DodgerFanatic2K3
    MVP
    • Feb 2003
    • 1583

    #151
    Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

    So is this still a problem with 2012 LED TV's and is there a recommended brand to buy that has the best "game mode" features to get the lowest input lag?

    I'm between the 55" Samsung & Sony and the 60" LG

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    • Blzer
      Resident film pundit
      • Mar 2004
      • 42550

      #152
      Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

      Originally posted by DodgerFanatic2K3
      So is this still a problem with 2012 LED TV's and is there a recommended brand to buy that has the best "game mode" features to get the lowest input lag?

      I'm between the 55" Samsung & Sony and the 60" LG
      This will still be a problem, yes. Not as great I suppose, but I just played on my friend's 47" Vizio LED (not the best example of top-end though) and instantly wanted to stop. I've been spoiled by my plasma and have completely forgotten about games having input lag on my previous LCD. I can't believe I actually put up with that my entire college career.

      By the way, there is a product out now that measures the actual input lag in televisions:

      Leo Bodnar Electronics Video Signal Input Lag Tester - A device used to measure the delay (latency) in which it takes a video signal to pass from the point of input until it is displayed on a television, monitor or projector screen. Commonly known as input lag, this delay can be a cause of many problems for users in


      You could actually walk into a Best Buy and use this (if they permitted it).
      Last edited by Blzer; 12-28-2012, 01:16 PM.
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      • DodgerFanatic2K3
        MVP
        • Feb 2003
        • 1583

        #153
        Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

        Originally posted by Blzer

        By the way, there is a product out now that measures the actual input lag in televisions:

        Leo Bodnar Electronics Video Signal Input Lag Tester - A device used to measure the delay (latency) in which it takes a video signal to pass from the point of input until it is displayed on a television, monitor or projector screen. Commonly known as input lag, this delay can be a cause of many problems for users in


        You could actually walk into a Best Buy and use this (if they permitted it).
        That's really cool but not cheap. I'll just wait for someone to post the results online

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        • Bobhead
          Pro
          • Mar 2011
          • 4926

          #154
          Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

          You could buy it, use it, then return it... but yeah your idea works too.

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          • queman11
            Rookie
            • Feb 2011
            • 172

            #155
            Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

            I have a 55'' Samsung and a 60" Sony Bravia and I was playing this morning. On the Samsung, everything is fluid, and I was mashing HR's with my 1B Jose Ramos. When I went to my Bravia, I was late on most pitches and only managed singles to LF (my guy is LH). There is def. lag on the Sony TV.
            I also noticed that the colors were much sharper and very much crisper than the Samsung, That's probably bc the PS3 is a Sony Product as well.
            Last edited by queman11; 12-28-2012, 11:13 PM.
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            • nomo17k
              Permanently Banned
              • Feb 2011
              • 5735

              #156
              Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

              Unfortunately I have to agree with the OP on this.

              I just moved and in my previous residence, I had a CRT (!!!) to which I connected my PS3 with RCA cable... although the images is blurred, small, and all that, the game itself played very smoothly.

              For my new residence, I got a Sony Bravia 42" LED. I turned off all the additional processing crap manually and also use the Game Scene (= game mode)... but the the timing difference in hitting is just unbearably big that I'm thinking about what to do with this... especially given that I pretty much only use it for this game.

              I used the slowest Pitch Speed and Zone plus Analog, and it's unreasonably difficult to swing early on inside fastballs. With the timing that was just right to pull inside pitches on CRT, I can rarely pull any more, and most "just right" timing produces hits to the middle.

              I was aware of this thread before I decided to go with Sony Bravia (in part I was hoping that I would not go wrong with Sony + PS3 combo...), but I really didn't think the effect of input lag thing had been this big!! I thought all was fine with Samsung 32" LCD that I had till a few months ago, but I now firmly believe that part of the swing sluggishness that I have always felt, especially with the Analog interface is in large part due to the input lag. Now I honest don't enjoy hitting, being late on anything and everything...

              Since few are fortunate enough to compare different monitors, I really wish there's something that can be done about this, like lag calibration that's been mentioned already. It would be very unfortunate if many users don't hit well because of the input lag, but unable to see that the issue is with ther LCD/LEDs, and actually not the game itself. And you cannot ask users to replace monitors for optimal experience... (though I don't have a woman who'd hit me if I decide to replace Bravia with something else).
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              • metal134
                MVP
                • Feb 2004
                • 1420

                #157
                Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                Originally posted by DodgerFanatic2K3
                So is this still a problem with 2012 LED TV's and is there a recommended brand to buy that has the best "game mode" features to get the lowest input lag?

                I'm between the 55" Samsung & Sony and the 60" LG
                Beat me to it. I can't believe that in 2012, there are still TVs that have lag.
                A screaming comes across the sky...

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                • DodgerFanatic2K3
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 1583

                  #158
                  Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                  Originally posted by metal134
                  Beat me to it. I can't believe that in 2012, there are still TVs that have lag.
                  Yes there are..... After doing extensive and exhausting research on input & responce lag I have decided to get a 2012 model Samsung 51" PLASMA 3D HDTV which has a 600 mhz refresh rate and zero lag on gaming. This TV got high raitings and the only other plasma TV to beat it was the Panasonic brand which costs more

                  Plasma's are making a comeback and no longer have the problems that plagued them a few years ago and are prefered for gamers

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                  • Blzer
                    Resident film pundit
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 42550

                    #159
                    Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                    Originally posted by DodgerFanatic2K3
                    Yes there are..... After doing extensive and exhausting research on input & responce lag I have decided to get a 2012 model Samsung 51" PLASMA 3D HDTV which has a 600 mhz refresh rate and zero lag on gaming. This TV got high raitings and the only other plasma TV to beat it was the Panasonic brand which costs more

                    Plasma's are making a comeback and no longer have the problems that plagued them a few years ago and are prefered for gamers
                    Go for the 59/60/64 inch models if you can. They will destroy the 51" in black levels and they are less prone to IR (image retention).

                    And don't think of 600 Hz like you would think of 120/240 Hz on LCDs. They're not exactly measuring the same thing in that regard. Just letting you know now.
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                    • ParisB
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 1699

                      #160
                      Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                      I have a 52" Samsung LNB750, but with Game Mode enabled and AutomotionPlus disabled, there is no noticeable lag and it runs great.

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                      • bukktown
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 3257

                        #161
                        Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                        Originally posted by nomo17k
                        Unfortunately I have to agree with the OP on this.

                        I just moved and in my previous residence, I had a CRT (!!!) to which I connected my PS3 with RCA cable... although the images is blurred, small, and all that, the game itself played very smoothly.

                        For my new residence, I got a Sony Bravia 42" LED. I turned off all the additional processing crap manually and also use the Game Scene (= game mode)... but the the timing difference in hitting is just unbearably big that I'm thinking about what to do with this... especially given that I pretty much only use it for this game.

                        I used the slowest Pitch Speed and Zone plus Analog, and it's unreasonably difficult to swing early on inside fastballs. With the timing that was just right to pull inside pitches on CRT, I can rarely pull any more, and most "just right" timing produces hits to the middle.

                        I was aware of this thread before I decided to go with Sony Bravia (in part I was hoping that I would not go wrong with Sony + PS3 combo...), but I really didn't think the effect of input lag thing had been this big!! I thought all was fine with Samsung 32" LCD that I had till a few months ago, but I now firmly believe that part of the swing sluggishness that I have always felt, especially with the Analog interface is in large part due to the input lag. Now I honest don't enjoy hitting, being late on anything and everything...

                        Since few are fortunate enough to compare different monitors, I really wish there's something that can be done about this, like lag calibration that's been mentioned already. It would be very unfortunate if many users don't hit well because of the input lag, but unable to see that the issue is with ther LCD/LEDs, and actually not the game itself. And you cannot ask users to replace monitors for optimal experience... (though I don't have a woman who'd hit me if I decide to replace Bravia with something else).
                        There is only one way that i have found to make the Bravia low lag while playing the Show. Unfortunately it gives me a headache but you might be able to handle it. Switch it to 3D mode.

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                        • DodgerFanatic2K3
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 1583

                          #162
                          Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                          Originally posted by ParisB
                          I have a 52" Samsung LNB750, but with Game Mode enabled and AutomotionPlus disabled, there is no noticeable lag and it runs great.
                          It's there. You have just learned how to adapt to it

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                          • ParisB
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 1699

                            #163
                            Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                            Originally posted by DodgerFanatic2K3
                            It's there. You have just learned how to adapt to it
                            That's why I said "no noticeable lag". Every TV has some inherently by their nature. Some handle it better than others, just depends on the TV. That's why I always say that TV's are like cars. Lots of different options, specs, performance, reliability etc. Throw in other variables like user and perception, then things start getting dicey.

                            I've had TV's where the lag made The Show unplayable, even with options turned off and some type of Game Mode enabled. It just didn't help that much.

                            Out of the 4 TV's I've owned since a couple years ago, this one (LNB750) handles it the best. I can hit and pitch without noticing the lag during batting or pitching. There's probably better TV's these days for lag gaming, but you just have to research professional sites.

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                            • nomo17k
                              Permanently Banned
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 5735

                              #164
                              Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                              Originally posted by ParisB
                              That's why I said "no noticeable lag". Every TV has some inherently by their nature. Some handle it better than others, just depends on the TV. That's why I always say that TV's are like cars. Lots of different options, specs, performance, reliability etc. Throw in other variables like user and perception, then things start getting dicey.

                              I've had TV's where the lag made The Show unplayable, even with options turned off and some type of Game Mode enabled. It just didn't help that much.

                              Out of the 4 TV's I've owned since a couple years ago, this one (LNB750) handles it the best. I can hit and pitch without noticing the lag during batting or pitching. There's probably better TV's these days for lag gaming, but you just have to research professional sites.

                              and I think that is the issue... Most gamers aren't lucky enough to choose a TV just to play the Show. They either already have one for general use or get one for other considerations as well.

                              Some people are dumb enough that they actually look for a TV specifically for this game and still screw up, like I just did with 42" Sony Bravia. I honestly didn't think the lag would be so noticeable given that the game is meant to be played with consumer-level products. I never really thought that was an issue with my previous experience with Samsung 32" LCD... but compared to CRT I definitely feel noticeable lag... to the extent that I don't enjoy hitting with the TV at all.

                              Given that there's no need for me to own a TV unless it's good enough for the Show, I'll probably replace it with something else... but I really cannot go bigger than 42" (my place is very small), and in that range there are few plasma TV options I think...

                              But only the freakiest of nuts go that far to begin with... to replace a TV just for a freaking game. And I think it's not right if a game cannot be fully enjoyed because your > $500 LCD/LED isn't suited for that specific game. And most people I believe are using those laggy TVs these days.
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                              • nomo17k
                                Permanently Banned
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 5735

                                #165
                                Re: This game absolutely, 100% *needs* a "calibrate lag" feature

                                I'm attaching a couple screenshots to illustrate my point... These are from my RTTS run with the same player.

                                The first shot is when I mostly played on a CRT... notice that I was more often early in my swings than not. The second shot is after 100 AB or so with my new LED... notice how I noticeable became late in my swings. I did not change anything other than the TV, so its cause is most likely the laggy TV.

                                When a random change in TV can cause this much timing difference, your experience would be totally different. And I can tell you how good I felt hitting with CRT... it just felt swing synchronization is just right, whereas with LED I feel like swinging under influence.
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