Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

[phant030]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

The one thing that no one has brought up. The duration of the new follow thru's. Could this be the culprit? The batter "admiring" his hit a bit too long?

B/c I think if the runners are sped up, stealing will be too easy and RISP scoring will be too easy.. If arms are weakened, extra base hits & throwing out RISP may become too hard. I'd rather it be the RF playing too far in b/c i don't have a problem with fielder arm strength. Actually, I havent had the problem at all. But, i won't deny it's existence.

[quack attack]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

the 1 problem i've noticed with upping the baserunner speed by 1 is that it makes every other play at 2nd, 3rd, or home nearly impossible to get the computer out, it's gotta be a combination of the rightfielder playing in, the fielder aggressiveness and arm strength, it's a balance issue in other words

[Woodweaver]

Fielder arm strengths haven't changed, but there does seem to be some other factors that have come together to make this type of play more possible this year. Again, I can make no promises about patches, but I am looking into this issue right now.

[Bobhead]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

Arm strengths haven't changed since last year you mean? What if the strength has always been high, and we are only noticing this year because of the redone throwing animations to bring more "urgency" to the throws?

[JayD]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

Fielder arm strengths haven't changed, but there does seem to be some other factors that have come together to make this type of play more possible this year. Again, I can make no promises about patches, but I am looking into this issue right now.

I believe the issues comes from outfielders playing way to shallow. Other than runners being thrown out at first I've seen numerous line drives caught when it clearly should of been a hit. I remember this being a problem with previous years games as well.

[AUTiger1]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

I believe the issues comes from outfielders playing way to shallow. Other than runners being thrown out at first I've seen numerous line drives caught when it clearly should of been a hit. I remember this being a problem with previous years games as well.

I have the other problem especially with my centerfielder. It appears that he's playing so deep that he has to come in from the stands to field the ball.

[phant030]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

Arm strengths haven't changed since last year you mean? What if the strength has always been high, and we are only noticing this year because of the redone throwing animations to bring more "urgency" to the throws?

You think like me. New throwing animations plus new follow throw animations throws the timing off just tad. The benefits of both are far greater than a few instances of "imbalance". Especially far from unrealistic happenings in other sports games that we accept. I am not outraged, and think it is being overblown to a certain extent.

[Bahnzo]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

Arm strengths haven't changed since last year you mean? What if the strength has always been high, and we are only noticing this year because of the redone throwing animations to bring more "urgency" to the throws?

I've always thought the OF arms have been not only too strong, but too accurate as well. It feels like it was toned down a bit last year, but not enough. Turning down fielding sliders helps, but it also affects IF'ers as well, which I don't think need adjusting.

As said in the other thread, we need separate IF/OF fielding sliders...that would go a long way towards fixing things.

[jkra0512]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

I've watched the last two Yankees ST games (vs. Red Sox & Twins) and in both games I've seen very close plays at second coming from doubles to the wall. I also saw in today's game against the Twins a guy hit it to the wall, but he stayed at first rather than stretching it. It's more prevalent than you guys like to believe. Next time you watch a IRL game, make a mental note to watch any plays involving doubles and you'll be amazed at how close most of them are. I realize there are stand-up doubles, but crushing the ball that caroms off the wall hard, there's a risk of getting thrown out at 2B, especially for the slower guys.

Not sure what you guys are seeing that I'm not, and I'm not saying it doesn't exist, it's just I haven't had this problem at all. I've even tried throwing from RF to first base to get a runner and the 1B was off the bag playing his normal position.

[cactusruss]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

Hopefully this gets fixed in a future patch. If I play with default sliders, Ichiro is getting thrown out nearly every time he tries to score from second on a base hit or tries to go first to third on a single to right. If I lower the throwing slider to make the OF's arms more realistic, Mike Carp is beating out grounders to the SS on a regular basis.

[Bobhead]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

"I don't understand, I mean that's not exactly Ichiro running down that line..."

[AUTiger1]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

I've watched the last two Yankees ST games (vs. Red Sox & Twins) and in both games I've seen very close plays at second coming from doubles to the wall. I also saw in today's game against the Twins a guy hit it to the wall, but he stayed at first rather than stretching it. It's more prevalent than you guys like to believe. Next time you watch a IRL game, make a mental note to watch any plays involving doubles and you'll be amazed at how close most of them are. I realize there are stand-up doubles, but crushing the ball that caroms off the wall hard, there's a risk of getting thrown out at 2B, especially for the slower guys.

Not sure what you guys are seeing that I'm not, and I'm not saying it doesn't exist, it's just I haven't had this problem at all. I've even tried throwing from RF to first base to get a runner and the 1B was off the bag playing his normal position.

Yeah I haven't seen this either.

[jdavis73]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

Not saying it shouldn't be adjusted, because it definitely should be, but the reason we don't see it more in real life is because they very rarely ever try it. I know for a fact Victor Martinez could have been put out 9-3 at least a half dozen times last season lol, basically from a combination of hitting the ball hard and his running "speed". That said, it's just as much of an outfielder aggressiveness issue, IMO. I had never seen this until I played a game on default sliders, and was able to replicate it, in a pretty bad way since it was a fast runner (see video). However, with fielder reaction set down 1 tick and baserunner speed up 1, I was never able to replicate it.

Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk

I'll warn you now; this is kind of long!

In the video you posted the ball seems to get to the right fielder too quickly. Whether the RF position is off or the physics of the ball moving through the grass is off, I'm not sure. Also, for this to happen IRL the fielder wouldn't be able to stop and go to one knee to field the ball. He would have to field the ball while charging which would be very aggressive and result in a missed ball often enough to stop attempting it.

I like the outfield throwing strength in most situations. A hard hit ball that finds its way to a fielder quickly, whether off a good bounce from the wall or a one hop deep in the gap, shouldn't be an easy double; you should have to look and assess if you can make it. Just like players do IRL.

However, I do think some adjustments could be made:

#1 - Throwing accuracy - A right fielder isn't going to hit the first baseman standing on the bag 9 out of 10 times; especially in a rushed situation of trying to throw out a runner at 1st. I would think 5 out of 10 would be considered exceptional. Most throws wouldn't be complete misses; the first baseman would simply have to leave the bag. He would leave to bag to avoid a shorthop on a slight underthrow, move to the left or right on directional misses, or a few steps back and a jump for a slight overthrow. Sometimes, probably 2 out of 10 for the average right fielder from medium depth, would be un-catchable by the first baseman causing an error and giving up second base to the runner. (Why you don't see it IRL!)

#2 - Ball physics and wall play aggression/success rate - The new ball physics look great for foul balls but balls that hit the wall are almost always perfectly played by the CPU and can be played pretty well by a human. IRL players will sometimes be aggressive with their wall play, especially with runners in scoring position in a tight game, but for the most part they give a cushion to avoid a bigger mistake. The CPU always makes the aggressive play and is never punished for it. This subtle difference turns an easy double into a close sliding double and a close double into an out. Another thing you never see is the CPU taking a bad line to the ball.

#3 - Fielding throws from the outfield - Something that doesn't show up in the game often is a fielder not cleanly catching the ball. They either catch it and apply the tag or it goes past them. Both are extremes. IRL often times the fielder will knock the ball down while trying to catch it and apply the tag. Or, the ball will take a bad hop and hit the fielder in the chest and fall to the ground. In the game, if the runner isn't safe in a close call that was fielded cleanly the result is either an out or a missed ball that results in an error when the runner advances another base because of the missed/passed ball.

#4 - Aggression and risk/reward - I've touched on this in the previous points and this isn't just about arm strength and base runners. The CPU always makes the aggressive play. On the wall they always play it close and one hop before they are fielding it. In the outfield they will dive for a line drive regardless of the situation. The success rate of what are very aggressive plays IRL is way to high. An attempt at a diving catch towards one of the lines will result in one of two ways, an out or a triple. How many times have you seen the CPU miss a diving catch? IRL the correct play in most situations would be, to be conservative. Run behind the ball and take the single.

[Qrusher14242]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

I'm the phillies and i often get saved by Pence playing waaaay too shallow in right and coming in and catching line drives I've been burned a lot too, when guys will knock it over hit over his head. I dunno why he's always playing so shallow.

I see it with the CPU in left a lot. Any line drive to left is almost always caught. I tried turning down the reaction slider, but then my infielders cant get to anything anymore. So i had to turn it back up again.

[AUTiger1]

Re: Outfielders arms too strong or Base runners too slow?

I'm the phillies and i often get saved by Pence playing waaaay too shallow in right and coming in and catching line drives I've been burned a lot too, when guys will knock it over hit over his head. I dunno why he's always playing so shallow.

I see it with the CPU in left a lot. Any line drive to left is almost always caught. I tried turning down the reaction slider, but then my infielders cant get to anything anymore. So i had to turn it back up again.

I have the opposite problem playing in Toronto. My outfielders in Toronto play so deep if they were any deeper they would need to buy tickets. I can't get to any softly hit fly balls and throwing out a runner from 2nd on a grounder is impossible as the runner is already around 3rd by the time I get to the ball. I've tried adjusting it myself but every inning it goes back to deep.