When does the "Clutch" attribute come into play and what does it do exactly?

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Re: When does the "Clutch" attribute come into play and what does it do exactly?

Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but how does the result of one game determine how clutch a player is? I know, I know, biggest stage, 1 strike away, etc.

What about the regular season though? according to Fangraphs, Freese was below average in clutch situations.

Here's Fangraphs' explaination for their clutch rating

According to this chart, Bobby Abreu was the most clutch player in baseball last year

Again, this probably sounds douchey and whiney, but honestly I'm not trying to be either lol

According to Clutch ratings and Freese is shown here, he would be around average for Clutch. Under Win Probability his Clutch rating is shown. Looking at the other link you posted showing Clutch ratings explained, and players who are shown on that page, there are many players with better Clutch ratings.

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Re: When does the "Clutch" attribute come into play and what does it do exactly?

I really have never believed in clutch players. Most of the time the player was already good and performed just as well in clutch situations. I believe a player can choke during crunch time, but I don't believe they become a way better player. So basically the players that don't ever choke and keep calm=clutch to me.

David Freese doesn't have much of a sample size to go off and I don't even know what the clutch rating goes by. The final number may be an objective output, but what goes into these formulas are highly subjective as is the whole term "clutch" in general.

I have checked out Freese's number with RISP and with 2 outs. He had an OPS of 1.019 with RISP with 2 outs, .915 with RISP, .848 with runners on, .734 with no one on. He has a .980 OPS with men on 2 outs, while he has a .803 with no one and 0 outs and .690 with no one with 1 or 2 outs.

Plus he hit nearly .400 in the playoffs with 19 RBI's and had some of the most clutch hits in playoff history.

Like I said, I don't believe in clutch players really, but it is hard to say this guy hasn't been "clutch".

I don't think what a player does in the playoffs or WS should have any effect on his regular season stats, and the Clutch rating in this game does affect what he does in the regular season. There are many players who don't get to the playoffs/WS. How do we know what they will do?

Since we have a small sample of ABs for Freese, I'll take what Ellsbury did last year and compare to what Freese did last year, which I think is fair considering Freese hasn't played much before 2011. In addition, if one year doesn't mean much, then what does that say about factoring in playoffs and world series?

Freese:

ABs 168 - Runners On: .327 - OPS .848

Ellsbury:

ABs 233 - Runners On .356 - OPS .877

Freese:

ABs 99 - Scoring Position .354 - OPS .915

Ellsbury:

ABs 123 - Scoring Position .366 - OPS 1.018

Freese:

ABs 8 - Bases loaded .250 OPS .550

Ellsbury:

ABs 15 - Bases loaded .400 OPS 1.111

Freese:

ABs 44 - Scoring Position 2 out .364 OPS 1.020

Ellsbury:

ABs 65 - Scoring Position 2 out .400 OPS 1.228

Freese has a higher clutch rating than Ellsbury in the game.

What I haven't seen explained is by what method Clutch is defined. If the playoffs/WS is used in any manner, then is the playoffs/WS used for other stats than Clutch? Example, let's suppose Pujols has a really bad go of it in the playoffs and WS, will he get a sub-standard Clutch rating? Reduced Contact rating? Let's suppose the Cardinals make the playoffs this year and Freese does poorly in the clutch, what then?

What should have the most impact on a players ratings, what he does all season long or what some do in the playoffs and WS? I think it's unfair to players who don't get the chance to shine in playoffs and WS to use what some do who make it there.