Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

[pistolpete]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

How dare you use logic in an internet discussion board!

If a baseball hits the wall from being struck with the bat what percentage of time is it a double? On the show, it's like 60%.

Similar to a baseball being hit up the middle. What percentage of the time does the pitcher kick the ball with his foot to the third basemen? On the show it happens 25% of the time. In 150 years it's probably happened once, and it was probably Babe Ruth pitching for the Red Sox who did it.

I'm willing to bet any human who accesses the world wide web is capable of deciphering if a pitched baseball was struck by his bat so hard it bounced off the wall and he was thus thrown out at second. Yeah, he must be wrong. Go ahead Sherlock, you should require video evidence.

[CarrotJuice]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

For sure it should be tweaked with sliders or a patch. I got thrown out on a gapper to the wall at Wrigley last night using Cincy's ss. Valdez?

Anyway, no chance in real life.

[Bahnzo]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

I will also agree there is a problem with outfield arm strength and throwing guys out on the basepaths. Sure, you can fix it *somewhat* with sliders, but it causes problems with other parts of the game.

Knight's suggestion works pretty well, but it leaves infield arms too weak IMO while OF arms are too strong and accurate. And I believe some of the problem is the new ball physics. Many times balls are being hit too hard to the outfielders, and if you combine this with the stronger arms, then it's causing all sorts of problems. Not only am I seeing guys thrown out at 2nd that shouldn't be, but it's also taking away runs that should score from 2nd on base hits as well.

What we really need, are separate fielding sliders for IF/OF. That alone would solve the problem with the exception of random online games.

[AUTiger1]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

Sounds like SCEA may need to think about expanding the sliders a bit and not designate all fielders under the same set. Instead make IF/OF sliders so they can be tweaked separately.

From my OG EVO 4G

I have always wondered why infielders and outfielders are labeled under the same sliders. I really wish there was different sliders for both. I would increase the reaction time and arm strength for infielders while decreasing reaction time and arm strength for outfielders.

[Mabster]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

I have always wondered why infielders and outfielders are labeled under the same sliders. I really wish there was different sliders for both. I would increase the reaction time and arm strength for infielders while decreasing reaction time and arm strength for outfielders.

I tried to delete my post because I realized Bahnzo had already made the point but yes,
I think it would help slide fix some of the issues that have cropped up each year.

[AUTiger1]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

I tried to delete my post because I realized Bahnzo had already made the point but yes,
I think it would help slide fix some of the issues that have cropped up each year.

Yeah I posted before you could delete your post.

[tnixen]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

I have always wondered why infielders and outfielders are labeled under the same sliders. I really wish there was different sliders for both. I would increase the reaction time and arm strength for infielders while decreasing reaction time and arm strength for outfielders.

That's the best idea I heard all day

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

I really wish ppl would post of video of what they are so upset about. Then, the play can be analyzed so much better. Secondly, don't act like people never get thrown out IRL @ second.

With video we can see who threw the ball, check out their ratings....how hard the ball was hit, how fast the fielder got to it, etc. It may be frustrating, but it is key to understand and see why it happened.

And if the game was online, what was the difficulty? Other questions need to be answered...for instance...how does the altering of one thing effect other areas of the game...is it a fielder reaction time issue? a fielder speed issue? Arm strength? Baserunner speed? Or a human just frustrated at something the could happen in real life? Human error?

I'm just saying, if the tools are available for you to fix your problem do it. Whether it's sliders, choosing to advance the runner sooner, using different slides, etc.

You presented great logic, and your spot on with what needs to be considered, but I was trying to see if I ever remember someone being thorwn out at 2nd base when they hit a ball down the base line into the corner of the outfield wall, and I could not even think of 1 time.

maybe the op is right and something is wrong here.

[Pared]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

You presented great logic, and your spot on with what needs to be considered, but I was trying to see if I ever remember someone being thorwn out at 2nd base when they hit a ball down the base line into the corner of the outfield wall, and I could not even think of 1 time.

maybe the op is right and something is wrong here.

Again - it depends on the type of hit.

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/VULBYGHhx_U?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

First play - double down the line into the "corner" by the speed demon known as Adrian Gonzalez.

[Knight165]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

Again - it depends on the type of hit.

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/VULBYGHhx_U?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

First play - double down the line into the "corner" by the speed demon known as Adrian Gonzalez.

Okay.....this is obviously a fake.
4 balls hit past the OF'ers and none of the runners thrown out at 2nd.
2 balls hit up the middle and neither kicked by the pitcher.
...but the most obvious ....that it is a fake...
TB leading in the 7th....8th...and 9th...and Boston doesn't win?
C'mon.
This has to be another baseball game.
We know this doesn't happen in The Show!

M.K.
Knight165

[Marino]

Is that really necessary? The sarcasm, is it?

Anyways, I do think arm strength is a bit too strong, and I know this because I had Michael Brantley thrown out at home by Adam Dunn...that's right, Adam Dunn. He was back a little past half way Olin left, threw a one hop bullet to home and got Brantley by a step. But that is something sliders can fix, so I just knocked down the slider by 1.

[Phobia]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

Is that really necessary? The sarcasm, is it?

Anyways, I do think arm strength is a bit too strong, and I know this because I had Michael Brantley thrown out at home by Adam Dunn...that's right, Adam Dunn. He was back a little past half way Olin left, threw a one hop bullet to home and got Brantley by a step. But that is something sliders can fix, so I just knocked down the slider by 1.

Marino I am sorry but I agree with Knight on this, way WAY to many people scream to the heavens as if the game is flat out broken. Slight tweaks might be needed, but the amount of "complaining" in The Show forum is very surprising to me. Bar none one of the best sports games we have available to us and some people act as if it is crap. Not saying this about the OP because I do believe arm strength is slightly to high, I am referring to how much "the sky is falling" goes on in here.

[stealyerface]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

Try this:

Fielder speed- Adjust it 3 clicks down from default.
Arm strength - Adjust it 3 clicks down from default
Reaction time- Adjust it 2 clicks down from default
Baserunner speed- Adjust it one click down from default

Now go play 5 full games.
Report back.

Here is the breakdown. Balls hit to the hole at SS or deep to third will result in having to make a pretty hard throw, and if accurate, and on target, and your fielder with a big arm, you will get the baserunner by a step or half a step depending on how fast the guy is rated. Exactly as it should be.

Balls hit too deep in the hole, up the middle, or with a lesser quality infielder will result in the runner being safe, as it ought to be.

Now let's talk about the outfield. This will make a HUGE difference in taking that extra base, as the slider adjustment will take away the crazy ESP-like jump that the default fielder setting gives them. The arm strength being lowered also takes away the cannon arms that mid-level outfielders possessed, but the guys that are armed with monster arms will still throw laser beams if you get them set up right.

That ball that gets to the wall, or into the corner, when adjusted to the above settings, will cause the fielder to get to the ball a step and a half later, and will also tone down the arm, so stand up doubles will be so, and guys who are not blessed with speed will have to make a smart decision on taking second or third.

Also, the lowering of the fielder speed makes controlling the fielder so much better. At the default speed, the movements between controller and fielder can be a bit herky jerky, and honestly, way too twitchy. This adjustment makes the input a bit less harsh, especially if you spaz out on the sticks. You will see much smoother plays to the ball, and you will see the branch animations make much more sense, as the pace is lowered enough to make smarter decisions, and the game looks and feels like real baseball.

Try these settings, play five games, and see if your doubles, triples, beat-em-out base hits, and the throws from right field to first all but disappear.

The other, and frankly the best part of these tweaks, stems from the fact that now it is IMPERATIVE to move your fielders to match the batter.

A-Rod is up, you had better shift the infield to the left, and pitch him on the inside edge and force him to keep the hands in, then bust him on the outer half and see if he rolls over it, and an easy ground ball to the left side.

You have a guy at second and a slap hitter at the plate, you had better move that infielder, or at least the second baseman to his left, and keep Slappy Slapperson from shooting the gap and scoring the run.

You CANNOT rely on hyper speed infielders, and too-quick default settings to get your guy to the ball.

Give it a shot.
~syf

[AUTiger1]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

Is that really necessary? The sarcasm, is it?

Anyways, I do think arm strength is a bit too strong, and I know this because I had Michael Brantley thrown out at home by Adam Dunn...that's right, Adam Dunn. He was back a little past half way Olin left, threw a one hop bullet to home and got Brantley by a step. But that is something sliders can fix, so I just knocked down the slider by 1.

Adam Dunn actually has a really good throwing arm. Had a scholarship to play QB at Texas.

[Pared]

Re: Really getting tired of getting guys thrown out at second base!

Is that really necessary? The sarcasm, is it?

Anyways, I do think arm strength is a bit too strong, and I know this because I had Michael Brantley thrown out at home by Adam Dunn...that's right, Adam Dunn. He was back a little past half way Olin left, threw a one hop bullet to home and got Brantley by a step. But that is something sliders can fix, so I just knocked down the slider by 1.

No, but neither are threads discussing the same thing.

Just realized Tnixen has a previous thread discussing this. As stated by the rules, he shouldn't be creating multiple threads discussing the same issue.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-too-slow.html

No point in having two threads on it.