Getting the computer hitters to swing and miss

[fullmetal2405]

Re: Getting the computer hitters to swing and miss

I just guess it's impossible to throw that Randy Johnson type slider that looks like it's going to hit the hitter in the foot but they swing at it anyway.

Key to take away from the post you quoted there is when he said "unless you're going to miss inside." You don't want to start a slider from a RHP on the outside corner to a LHB and have it break onto the inside of the plate. If you start that pitch on the inside corner and have it break out of the zone, that is much more effective and less dangerous.

That post had good advice and I'd also recommend turning the CPU foul frequency down more. I believe you said you had it down one click? Why not another one or two? I have it down two clicks over here and I feel I have a good number of strikeouts. I have some games where I can only punch out two or three, and others where I rack up ten or eleven. Also depends a lot on the pitcher your'e using, especially if you use Pulse Pitching (can't remember if you said you use that or not)

[AUTiger1]

Re: Getting the computer hitters to swing and miss

Key to take away from the post you quoted there is when he said "unless you're going to miss inside." You don't want to start a slider from a RHP on the outside corner to a LHB and have it break onto the inside of the plate. If you start that pitch on the inside corner and have it break out of the zone, that is much more effective and less dangerous.

That post had good advice and I'd also recommend turning the CPU foul frequency down more. I believe you said you had it down one click? Why not another one or two? I have it down two clicks over here and I feel I have a good number of strikeouts. I have some games where I can only punch out two or three, and others where I rack up ten or eleven. Also depends a lot on the pitcher your'e using, especially if you use Pulse Pitching (can't remember if you said you use that or not)

Yeah I know if I want a slider to break in on a guys hands to start it inside so it doesn't end up out over the plate and get hit. And no I'm not using Pulse Pitching. I'm using Analog.

But I do like how so far no 2 games have been the same as far as the pitchers go. First start for Tim Hudson and I got rocked giving up 7 runs in just 3 2/3 innings. The pitches just weren't going where I wanted them to. Then the next game I pitch with Hudson and went 7 innings and gave up just 2 runs and 4 hits and had 7 strikeouts through 5 innings.

First start with Brandon Morrow and I went 7 innings and gave up an unearned run with 6 strikeouts. Next time out I pitched a complete game with Morrow but gave up 5 runs and 8 hits. It would have been worst but I got 5 double plays.

[fullmetal2405]

Re: Getting the computer hitters to swing and miss

Yeah I know if I want a slider to break in on a guys hands to start it inside so it doesn't end up out over the plate and get hit. And no I'm not using Pulse Pitching. I'm using Analog.

But I do like how so far no 2 games have been the same as far as the pitchers go. First start for Tim Hudson and I got rocked giving up 7 runs in just 3 2/3 innings. The pitches just weren't going where I wanted them to. Then the next game I pitch with Hudson and went 7 innings and gave up just 2 runs and 4 hits and had 7 strikeouts through 5 innings.

First start with Brandon Morrow and I went 7 innings and gave up an unearned run with 6 strikeouts. Next time out I pitched a complete game with Morrow but gave up 5 runs and 8 hits. It would have been worst but I got 5 double plays.

Couldn't agree more. The variety in the games I'm getting is so realistic. That might also be part of the problem with the CPU swinging and missing. Your pitcher might just not have the out pitch working for him. Who knows?

[Qrusher14242]

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i have no problems getting strikeouts with fastballs out of the zone..but hardly ever get them to chase off speed unless its in the strike zone. 0-2 and i'll throw a perfect change up on the corner and they just look at it. So i usually just go up and in with a fastball. Never can get them to chase a curveball.

[motivation03]

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I have no trouble getting strikeouts either. Depending on what my pitcher throws and if you get ahead just have a plan. If you have a cutter I like to throw it on the outside edge of plate and have it move off for righties and jam inside to lefties. I'll throw a 2 seam inside and have that move inside off the plate, gets a ton of jams and some k's. A slurve is a pitch I like to only throw when I have 2 strikes, throw it a tad low and move it off the plate so it breaks just outside off the plate, great strikeout pitch, but hate throwing it early and for a strike as will get hit a lot. Same with sliders, throw them so they break sharp off the outer plate. Fastballs both high and low(I use low more) out of the strike zone work well to finish a batter off. Also, other ways of thinking I have are for example, throwing a fastball on the outside corner, follow it with a change-up in the exact same spot, as the hitter could be late, get the change down though. Lastly, If the computer fouls off pitches you feel were nicely placed or even bad pitches then try to move that same pitch more and more off the plate, as they seem to chase that pitch. I've had numerous guys foul off the change-up, which was low and I'd throw the same pitch even lower and they go for it sometimes. Also, the umps will call balls strikes, so see if they are giving you the corners.

[Bobhead]

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Regarding the release - I use Meter and the irony is most of my swing and misses occur not when I have a perfect release, but when I completely screw it up and it still winds up around the zone.

This is a HUGE red flag that you are far too predictable on the mound. Like everyone has been saying it's about mixing your pitches. The only perfect strategy is a different one. I do think there is a deficiency when it comes to swings and misses, but if you've lowered the sliders already there is no reason you should still be that short on them, unless your pitching is the cause.

The biggest key for pitching for me is to look at the swing analysis box. You can track how the batter adjusts to the pitches you throw. If they are Very Late on a fastball, throw another fastball. If they are only slightly late (fouled towards the opposite side), it's probably a good time to try a different pitch.

Secondly, if you only throw your curveballs down and away, your fastballs up, your sliders down and in, etc... then you are basically tipping every pitch before it reaches the plate, because the AI only needs to identify one and they immediately have a solid idea of the other. It's important to be able to hit all four corners with a pitch effectively. If all your change ups are low, why would I ever swing at one? You have to show the batter you can throw anything, anywhere, or else they will never be fooled.

One more tip, what I usually do is pick an out pitch way ahead of time, like before the game even starts. First batter, 1st inning, that out-pitch is the 1st thing I throw. If it's a good pitch, I throw it again. Then I throw something random for the 3rd strike, not really expecting a strikeout. Then I do the exact same thing with the next batter, in different locations, and with different pitches in between. By this point your out pitch has been established all over the zone, and plus you've built the confidence meter up for that pitch. It's only at this point that you can effectively induce strikeouts with that particular pitch.

[Hannah000]

Re: Getting the computer hitters to swing and miss

CPU Contact set at 4 and Foul Ball Frequency set at 4. Trust me, it works.

[AUTiger1]

Re: Getting the computer hitters to swing and miss

CPU Contact set at 4 and Foul Ball Frequency set at 4. Trust me, it works.

I'll try it. I don't think I've got that low yet.

[hotsauceme]

Best thing for pitching is to mix it up. Don't be afraid to throw a heater in the strike zone on a 0-2 count. If the batter is looking for something down and you throw a heater waist high they will swing right under it and vice versa. Don't try to be too perfect with painting the corners when ahead in the count. Mix it up, attack hitters and use setup pitches.


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[AUTiger1]

Re: Getting the computer hitters to swing and miss

I know everyone is only trying to help but it's frustrating that everyone keeps saying the same thing. Mix up your pitches. Don't get into patterns. Do something off the wall every so often. I do those things. I know baseball. I know the art of pitching. It's not my fault I can throw perfect out pitches and they always get fouled off or taken for a ball expect for fastballs and changeups. The only time I get a swing and miss on a breaking ball is when I make a mistake and the pitch ends up no where near I intend for it to be. That's odd. Oh and the pitches I'm talking about are the ones that I have near perfect release point on in the perfect spot. I'm this close to going back to meter pitching because most of the time the pitches don't end up where I want them or anywhere close where I want them using analog.

[woody2goody]

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If you're feeling confident and/or brave, throw a couple of strikes in the batter's hot zones and try to get the punchout or an easy flyout with a good pitch in the 'cold' zones.

With regards to Ks, I tend to get a few with low sliders inside to lefties, and high fastballs inside to righties. Just mix it up and see what happens.

I struck out Alex Gordon on three straight fastballs on the low outside corner, Adrian Gonzalez three times in one game with low sliders - just try to fool the batter and reap the dividends

[maddmattrix]

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I, too, am having trouble with this and I mix my pitches pretty well. Honestly, I don't even see how you can confuse a computer and I think its pretty odd when you throw that down and inside slider and they just happened to have their PCI all over that mofo and hit it out of the park.

In reality, its just venting out of frustration for me because I tend to have one or two innings where it ALL falls apart and the CPU puts up a huge number and I'm screwed.

[Bobhead]

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First off if you want help you are going to have to swallow your pride and actually start considering what people are telling you. If you are looking for a thread full of reassurance and pats on the back you are in the wrong place. You may think your pitching strategies were designed by God but clearly they aren't, or else they'd be working.

I can throw a fastball low and away, fastball high and away, changeup low and away and then nail the inside corner with a 12-6 curve that's fouled or taken for a ball.

Again, this is an example of what NOT to do. Just cycling through your pitches arbitrarily doesn't cut it. If I haven't seen a curveball yet I'm not going to swing at this new fangled pitch heading towards me, especially if it looks to be off the edge of the plate. You have to establish pitches for strikes , sometimes in multiple places, before you can use them for strikeouts.

[AUTiger1]

Re: Getting the computer hitters to swing and miss

First off if you want help you are going to have to swallow your pride and actually start considering what people are telling you. If you are looking for a thread full of reassurance and pats on the back you are in the wrong place. You may think your pitching strategies were designed by God but clearly they aren't, or else they'd be working.



Again, this is an example of what NOT to do. Just cycling through your pitches arbitrarily doesn't cut it. If I haven't seen a curveball yet I'm not going to swing at this new fangled pitch heading towards me, especially if it looks to be off the edge of the plate. You have to establish pitches for strikes , sometimes in multiple places, before you can use them for strikeouts.

If I didn't want help and input I wouldn't have started this thread. Oh and I would throw them for strikes but I can't. Like I said before I guess I'm going to have to change my pitching option to something else because analog isn't working because the pitches very rarely go where I want them. I throw a slider or a curve that looks like a strike according to the strike zone box on the side of the screen and most of the time it's called a ball. I don't know if I always end up getting the umpires that have the smaller strike zones or what but I throw so many pitches that should get called strikes but are called balls and as a result I even up being 2-0 and 2-1 a lot of times in my counts and then I have no choice but to groove a pitch and it gets hit.

[Gagnon39]

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I'm only averaging about 3-4 strikeouts per game. The most I've gotten in a game is 9. I'd like to see a starter record 10 or more every once in a while.