CPU Manager AI Discussions

[nomo17k]

I think there have been a few good threads discussing different aspects of CPU manager AI, but I'd like to see a dedicated thread where we discuss what's good/undesirable about how CPU currently manages his game.

For example, a recent CPU vs. CPU game that I ran was a long distance marathon in which a team (the Reds) appeared to run out of relievers in the extra innings.

What did CPU do?

He brought in one of the starters, but it was Latos, who was scheduled to pitch the next day. So it doesn't really make sense to use him like that, and this isn't the first time CPU did this move. (and there was a thread talking about this specific move... but I'd like this thread to be a bit more comprehensive.)

After quite a few games, you start seeing patterns like this... and I'd like to collect those as a sort of database, in case it might help future iterations of the game.

If you have cases to add, please share and have discussions on whether they make sense or not!

Hope this thread isn't a duplicate...

[bkrich83]

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I imagine they went Latos because he had the most energy available amongst the starters.

[loganmorrison1]

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I imagine they went Latos because he had the most energy available amongst the starters.

That seems like a valid logical reason. Really not sure how something like this could be avoided, seems to me the CPU made the best decision

[MikeFlu]

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That seems like a valid logical reason. Really not sure how something like this could be avoided, seems to me the CPU made the best decision

Unfortunately, it was a decision that would never be made by any real MLB manager. They would put a position player in to pitch before the next day's starter. I know that is not possible in the game in it's current incarnation, but that is what is done in the real world.

[nomo17k]

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Unfortunately, it was a decision that would never be made by any real MLB manager. They would put a position player in to pitch before the next day's starter. I know that is not possible in the game in it's current incarnation, but that is what is done in the real world.

I guess you cannot bring a position player in as a pitcher... but if you leave a position player in after pinch hitting, he can actually pitch (many HUM players forget to replace with a pitcher online)... with a mid-70 fastball and mid-80 change-up, haha.

But even if the CPU manager ends up needing to use a starting pitcher, wouldn't it make more sense to use other guy? I'd think the scheduled starter for the next day would even leave the bench early to get well rested. Besides, he'd be guaranteed to pitch with less energy... with other guys they have have an off day in between or so.

[MikeFlu]

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But even if the CPU manager ends up needing to use a starting pitcher, wouldn't it make more sense to use other guy? I'd think the scheduled starter for the next day would even leave the bench early to get well rested. Besides, he'd be guaranteed to pitch with less energy... with other guys they have have an off day in between or so.

Absolutely. There's no way the next day's starter would be in. As a matter of fact, he's usually in the seats behind home plate in civilian attire charting pitches. I've sat next to them before.

[econoodle]

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Unfortunately, it was a decision that would never be made by any real MLB manager. They would put a position player in to pitch before the next day's starter. I know that is not possible in the game in it's current incarnation, but that is what is done in the real world.

true, but not every team has a position player with a knuckler like wade boggs had.


I think the choice was fine.
but, did Latos still start the next game?

[nomo17k]

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true, but not every team has a poition player with a knuckler like wade boggs had.


I think the choice was fine.
but, did Latos still start the next game?

I haven't finished the next day's games so not sure, but I think CPU rarely deviates from the set starting rotation.

[econoodle]

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I haven't finished the next day's games so not sure, but I think CPU rarely deviates from the set starting rotation.

oh ok.
I am trying hard to think of what a AI brain would do in that spot and I keep going back to it wanting to use the guy with the most energy.

[nomo17k]

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oh ok.
I am trying hard to think of what a AI brain would do in that spot and I keep going back to it wanting to use the guy with the most energy.

Personally, I'd keep with one of the long-reliever/spot starter a bit longer... but that might not make sense if there was a scoring opportunity when the pitcher was up to bat.

If that's *the* game to win, then going with the max energy guy makes sense, but I would actually use any starter other than the guy scheduled to start next day... maybe someone scheduled to start three days later.

[Sinner618]

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I can't remember off hand what pitcher or even what team it was, but I knocked the starting pitcher out of the game after 2 innings after a few homers on him...

And the very next game, the very next day, the same pitcher started... again.. but this time put a clinic on me, no-hit me until the 7th, only got a couple hits past that, and he got a complete game shutout on me...

[nomo17k]

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I can't remember off hand what pitcher or even what team it was, but I knocked the starting pitcher out of the game after 2 innings after a few homers on him...

And the very next game, the very next day, the same pitcher started... again.. but this time put a clinic on me, no-hit me until the 7th, only got a couple hits past that, and he got a complete game shutout on me...

Don't if that happened under a similar situation, but something like that can happen when things like injuries make CPU reorganize his pitching rotation. I've had that happen to my RTTS pitchers quite a few times...

[ralphieboy11]

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One thing I would like the AI to do is use the closers more in non save situations. This is especially troublesome for the AI when it is the home team.

It seems the AI only wants to bring in the closer in a true save situation or when all the other relievers are tired.

In real life, in a tie game, the home team will usually bring in the true closer(Rivera or Papelbon, for instance) in the top half of the inning. You are never going to get a true save situation being the home team, because you always bat second in the 9th or extra innings. It seems the AI is saving the closer for a situation that will never exist.

[Mercury53]

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I've seen these things happen as well, but the CPU uses logic, not common sense, so these situations should be expected at some point.

[livinitup921]

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I would like the cpu to use relief pitching better. I have never seen once them bring in a lefty just to face a lefty batter. Every relief pitcher they bring in always seems to be brought in to pitch the entire inning unless they start getting hammered.