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  • redsfan4life
    MVP
    • Mar 2005
    • 2763

    #16
    Re: Have Absolutely Had It

    I've hit doubles on pitches that about hit me in the knee before. You can hit pitches out of the zone, but the odds aren't in your favor.
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    • ebarws6
      Rookie
      • Jun 2009
      • 373

      #17
      Originally posted by overrated_ichiro;
      I get the ''perfect'' and ''solid'' with a power hitter and it's a fly out over and over. 7 games with 1 home run and it was by Inge. I'm hitting balls hard, putting them in play, getting nothing to show for it.
      This stuff pisses me off so much. I've taken a few pictures (the first two are from last year):

      Daric Barton batting. Even though I had perfect timing and the ball in the middle of the PCI, I get "okay" contact. Result: weak grounder to first. May not be the beat example since Barton really is not any sort of God at hitting (even though he has decent ratings), but when I do about everything I can to square up a ball and use contact swing for a contact hitter -- I really don't know what else to do.
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      Same game: Aaron Hill batting. PCI right on the edge of the ball, okay timing, but solid contact somehow. Result? 420ft home run of course.
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      This year's game: facing Justin Smoak and well I think you guys can see how the swing was from below. Resulted in a towering shot into the second deck at the Coliseum.
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      Stuff like this (which has happened a lot more than just these times) really has strengthened my feeling that sometimes the computer is just skewed to win, while other times it's the opposite way. Don't know if any of you feel the same.
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      • tackleb0x
        Rookie
        • Aug 2009
        • 34

        #18
        Re: Have Absolutely Had It

        I've had poor luck getting base hits with contact swing. I use contact swing mostly to hit a ball on the right side of the infield to hit and run or move the runner from 2nd to 3rd.

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        • Perfect Zero
          1B, OF
          • Jun 2005
          • 4012

          #19
          Re: Have Absolutely Had It

          Originally posted by ebarws6
          Stuff like this (which has happened a lot more than just these times) really has strengthened my feeling that sometimes the computer is just skewed to win, while other times it's the opposite way. Don't know if any of you feel the same.
          At first I felt the same way about the PCI stuff, but I believe that the PCI is just a computer printout of something based more on stats. Otherwise it would be cursor hitting instead of zone hitting.

          The computer is also not "skewed to win" anything. What would it benefit SCEA if they did something like this?
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          • Vashyron.
            Banned
            • Jun 2011
            • 160

            #20
            Re: Have Absolutely Had It

            I feel if you consistently put good swings on the ball, you'll get hits and score runs. It is disheartening to perfectly square up a pitch and get a weak hit, even more when you are struggling already. It happens in real life where a guy is just off a pitch and it's a fly ball instead of a HR. I think last year was even worse with being able to hit pitches hard that weren't even touching the PCI especially online where weak hitters could hit opposite field HRs on an inside and high fastball when your opponent was center swinging. I also wish the PCI location dictated grounder and fly ball because sometimes you will clearly have gotten on top of a pitch and you end up hitting a fly ball or vice verse.

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            • ebarws6
              Rookie
              • Jun 2009
              • 373

              #21
              Originally posted by Perfect Zero
              The computer is also not "skewed to win" anything. What would it benefit SCEA if they did something like this?
              Well maybe "skewed to win" isn't the bet choice of words. I more mean that to me it feels like (ESPECIALLY in user pitching v. cpu batting) there are completely different experiences I can get. Sometimes it seems the CPU can do no wrong at the plate, racking up hit after hit. Others, they seing and miss or don't make as good of contact, etc. leading to 4 hit complete game shutouts and such. Don't get me wrong, I know how variable baseball is and I'm not saying that the same result should come out every time or anything like that, but sometimes The Show feels just like EA NCAA Football with fishy favorable results on either side.

              I hope you get what I mean. I'm not in to bash the game or anything, I know they would never add "skewing," it's just a pattern that I've noticed.
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              • BenGerman
                No Place Better
                • Sep 2008
                • 2752

                #22
                Re: Have Absolutely Had It

                Originally posted by ebarws6
                Well maybe "skewed to win" isn't the bet choice of words. I more mean that to me it feels like (ESPECIALLY in user pitching v. cpu batting) there are completely different experiences I can get. Sometimes it seems the CPU can do no wrong at the plate, racking up hit after hit. Others, they seing and miss or don't make as good of contact, etc. leading to 4 hit complete game shutouts and such. Don't get me wrong, I know how variable baseball is and I'm not saying that the same result should come out every time or anything like that, but sometimes The Show feels just like EA NCAA Football with fishy favorable results on either side.

                I hope you get what I mean. I'm not in to bash the game or anything, I know they would never add "skewing," it's just a pattern that I've noticed.
                But isn't that how baseball works? I can point to countless examples where a team will go for 10 runs one day, and then only score 1 or 2 the next. Part of it, I think, is that if a pitcher gets in a groove, their stuff becomes harder to hit.
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                • Iscariot666
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 44

                  #23
                  Re: Have Absolutely Had It

                  Originally posted by Perfect Zero
                  The computer is also not "skewed to win" anything. What would it benefit SCEA if they did something like this?
                  I'd hope this is true, too.

                  However, I still chafe from being one pitch away from a perfect game in The Show '10 and the computer BUNTING the ball for a hit.

                  That guy would have had the tar beat out of him had he done that in real life, no?

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                  • MLB Bob
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 1008

                    #24
                    Re: Have Absolutely Had It

                    It has been stated before and it may even be in the tutorials but it says you get more power and hit homeruns more when you connect with "just early" timing. so the photos that were posted just reinforces this..If you time a pitch and hit it "perfectly" that should be contact to the middle of the field (infield or out field) which is the biggest part of the ball park and usually well defended. If you are just early its pulled, if its just late it goes opposite field. Its possible to time a pitch perfectly and not have soild contact and its also possible to have perfect timing and solid contact and not hit a 450 HR every time. I think people just apply their own logic and what they feel the info charts are telling them instead of thinking how/why and what the game is using it for and how it relates to the game....because we should realize this is a game and not real life..so things are programmed.
                    Last edited by MLB Bob; 04-09-2012, 05:04 PM.

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                    • ebarws6
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 373

                      #25
                      Originally posted by BenGerman
                      But isn't that how baseball works? I can point to countless examples where a team will go for 10 runs one day, and then only score 1 or 2 the next. Part of it, I think, is that if a pitcher gets in a groove, their stuff becomes harder to hit.
                      Yes and I acknowledged that. The way that it happens in the game though doesn't feel like it's because I'm doing exceptionally well or bad or anything. That's why I've gotten the feeling that there might be something in the code or whatever, something I can't control (which again compares to real ball, I suppose).

                      Bottom line is: my long experiences with The Show have made me feel like there's something not in plain sight influencing the results to be the way they are. Not predetermination or anything that can't be overcome though.

                      If you still don't understand what I am saying or don't agree with what me -- agree to disagree I guess.
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                      • Casino
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 1949

                        #26
                        the ratings of the pitcher and batter also influences the outcome of the batted ball.

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                        • ebarws6
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                          • Jun 2009
                          • 373

                          #27
                          Which makes sense lol
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                          • Bobhead
                            Pro
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 4926

                            #28
                            Re: Have Absolutely Had It

                            Originally posted by Iscariot666
                            I'd hope this is true, too.

                            However, I still chafe from being one pitch away from a perfect game in The Show '10 and the computer BUNTING the ball for a hit.

                            That guy would have had the tar beat out of him had he done that in real life, no?
                            And this is admittedly a problem, but there's no skewing or cheating going on here. In the future, SCEA just needs to implement some sort of code, that involves common sense and ethics, into the AI of fielders and batters. You don't bunt to break up a no-hitter or perfect game unless you are only down by 1 or 2 runs (ie if the baserunner you gained by the bunt is meaningless, you shouldn't have bunted).

                            Don't mix this up with inconsistent physics or AI though, the two are completely separate.

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                            • AUTiger1
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 2413

                              #29
                              Re: Have Absolutely Had It

                              Wow. I don't have my fielder sliders anywhere near that low and I still get plenty of hits and extra base hits and runs.
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                              • Padgoi
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 1873

                                #30
                                Re: Have Absolutely Had It

                                Originally posted by Perfect Zero
                                At first I felt the same way about the PCI stuff, but I believe that the PCI is just a computer printout of something based more on stats. Otherwise it would be cursor hitting instead of zone hitting.

                                The computer is also not "skewed to win" anything. What would it benefit SCEA if they did something like this?
                                It bothers me when people say things like this. How does it benefit SCEA? Simple....they know people won't play if you win every game and go 161-1. They know losing at a realistic pace will keep us sim-gamers playing, which is obviously the demographic they were going for. So if you have a few wins in a row and magically the CPU is hitting everything and you seemingly have no chance of winning, we all blame it on "being baseball" and "the law of averages," but in reality, SCEA absolutely can benefit from throwing a little code into the game to "keep things close," especially when they know it'll keep us coming back. I'm certainly not implying they do, but I'm saying, it is quite feasible and definitely a tactic that can benefit the company.

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