OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

[bwoodring9]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Pirates
From: Rays GM

RE: Hellickson

We would just require at least 2 A potential prospects, since Hellickson is only 23 and is one of the top pitchers in the league. It may be hard for y'all to do, but if you can, are door is always open to trades that will make us and the other team equally better!

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TBRAYS

To: Tampa Bay Rays GM
From: Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Hellickson

We would always be willing to throw in Josh Bell, along with Neil Walker and Alex Dickerson for Hellickson. (However since Hellickson is a bit of an unrealistic real life option it does make me tentative to try and deal for him).

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Tampa Bay Rays GM
From: Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Hellickson

We would always be willing to throw in Josh Bell, along with Neil Walker and Alex Dickerson for Hellickson. (However since Hellickson is a bit of an unrealistic real life option it does make me tentative to try and deal for him).

To: Pirates
From: Rays Gm

RE: Hellickson trade

We would have to aquifer Tabata in the deal. We could maybe do:

Rays receive:
Tabata
Bell
Josh Harrison

Pirates receive:
Hellickson

Tell me what you think!

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF RAYS

[bwoodring9]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Pirates
From: Rays Gm

RE: Hellickson trade

We would have to aquifer Tabata in the deal. We could maybe do:

Rays receive:
Tabata
Bell
Josh Harrison

Pirates receive:
Hellickson

Tell me what you think!

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF RAYS

To: Tampa Bay Rays GM
From: Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Hellickson

We are not ready to give up Tabata yet because we believe he can turn his struggles around and really develop into a solid everyday star for us in the years to come, we appreciate the time given to our offer but for now we will have to kindly say that we will have to look elsewhere. Thanks again!

- The Pittsburgh Pirates

[AC]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Blue Jays
From: Rays

RE: James Shields trade

We like Alvarez a lot more than Drabek. We might be willing to go with Syndergaard, because he is 5 years younger than Drabek. He is only 2 years younger than Alvarez though, and Alvarez is a lot better now. Keep me informed on what you think about his deal.

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF TB RAYS

To: Tampa Bay Rays GM
From: Toronto Blue Jays GM
Subject: James Shields

Well, if you were wanting a young pitcher, I've got a good idea. Drew Hutchinson. He's B potential, and one of the youngest players ever to start a game for us in the MLB. Alternatively, we have Joe Musgrove (19, B) and Adonys Cardona (18, B) in our system.

Arencibia
Norris
Hutchinson

FOR

Shields

If you wanted Syndergaard, you would have to take out Norris and replace him with a B like Deck McGuire. He's our #4 prospect or so (according to MLB.com), and Norris is our #3, so we're hesitant to give up both. By the way, what is our record?

(By the way, Syndergaard is actually a B+ in the game. They won't show you the +, but if you get a "Stock Is Rising" or "Overachieving" email on Noah Syndergaard, he'll move up to an A potential. This is why it's one or the other. I, in fact, got Noah up to an A in 2014. He's currently doing great as a B with A potential.)

[bwoodring9]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Chicago Cubs GM
From: Pittsburgh Pirates
RE: Trey McNutt

We as an organization have great interest in one of your prospects, Trey McNutt. Currently you guys sit 6 game back of the division lead in early May. We feel Trey can fit nicely into our farm system rotation and we are willing to help you with some of the needs you have displayed on the Team Needs section, being 3B and SP. We are willing to do this deal:

Pirates Give:
3B Josh Harrison - Josh is in AAA ball right now and is hitting .231 with 0 HRs and 10 RBIs. He is one of our prized 3B propsects aalong with Alvarez, and displays a lot of patience at the plate. He is 24 years old and a B potential, and we feel he can have an MLB impact for your team as early as next year.
SP Nick Kingham - Nick is currently is Class A ball so he has no stats to share, however he is a 20 year old B potential starting pitcher who has good stuff with his hard slider and sweeping curve. He may take a few years to develop, but we think he's worth it for you.
SP Colton Cain - Colton is a 21 year old B potential, and started the year in Class A, due to injuries we had to call him up to AA and plug him into the rotation. He currently is 1-2 with a 5.40 ERA with 11 K's and 3 BB's. He is more of a control pitcher and won't wow you with his stuff, but he certainly could be ready for the big leagues as soon as 2013.

Cubs Give:
SP Trey McNutt - McNutt currently has a 2-1 record with a 2.67 ERA, 26 K's, and 10 BB's. We think he can be a gret addition to our future team.
SS Junior Lake - Junior is not a must in this trade, we simply think he could be an added piece in the deal. Currently in AAA he is hitting .273 with 0 HR and 7 RBI.

Feel free to counter offer or decline if you think this is not the appropriate time to be making a move

- The Pittsburgh Pirates

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Tampa Bay Rays GM
From: Toronto Blue Jays GM
Subject: James Shields

Well, if you were wanting a young pitcher, I've got a good idea. Drew Hutchinson. He's B potential, and one of the youngest players ever to start a game for us in the MLB. Alternatively, we have Joe Musgrove (19, B) and Adonys Cardona (18, B) in our system.

Arencibia
Norris
Hutchinson

FOR

Shields

If you wanted Syndergaard, you would have to take out Norris and replace him with a B like Deck McGuire. He's our #4 prospect or so (according to MLB.com), and Norris is our #3, so we're hesitant to give up both. By the way, what is our record?

(By the way, Syndergaard is actually a B+ in the game. They won't show you the +, but if you get a "Stock Is Rising" or "Overachieving" email on Noah Syndergaard, he'll move up to an A potential. This is why it's one or the other. I, in fact, got Noah up to an A in 2014. He's currently doing great as a B with A potential.)

To: Blue Jays
From: Rays GM

RE: Shields trade

I would really like Alvarez. If I could send someone else to make it happen I can. I currently have Farnsworth, Shields, and Pena on trade block. The season just started. We just finished our first series, but I can't last with Molina at catcher. D'Arnaud is doing unbelievable at AAA, so I thought this was a good time. Get back to me.

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF RAYS

[AC]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Blue Jays
From: Rays GM

RE: Shields trade

I would really like Alvarez. If I could send someone else to make it happen I can. I currently have Farnsworth, Shields, and Pena on trade block. The season just started. We just finished our first series, but I can't last with Molina at catcher. D'Arnaud is doing unbelievable at AAA, so I thought this was a good time. Get back to me.

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, GM OF RAYS

To: Tampa Bay
From: Toronto
Re: Shields

Yeah, I wouldn't mind trading J.P. if D'Arnaud's hitting that well.

Arencibia
Alvarez
Norris/Syndergaard

FOR

Price/Moore/Hellickson

Two A's and a B for an A seems pretty fair. You're gaining a starter to offset the lost starter, getting a high quality catcher, and a blue chipper pitching prospect. And TBH Moore very rarely does anything special until year 3, just for your reference. I've done quite a few sims, too.

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Tampa Bay
From: Toronto
Re: Shields

Yeah, I wouldn't mind trading J.P. if D'Arnaud's hitting that well.

Arencibia
Alvarez
Norris/Syndergaard

FOR

Price/Moore/Hellickson

Two A's and a B for an A seems pretty fair. You're gaining a starter to offset the lost starter, getting a high quality catcher, and a blue chipper pitching prospect. And TBH Moore very rarely does anything special until year 3, just for your reference. I've done quite a few sims, too.

To: Blue Jays
From: Rays Gm

RE: Arencibia trade

How about this

Rays r:
Arencibia
Alvarez
Norris

Jays r:
James Shields

Tell me how this works!

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, Gm of the Rays

[pistolpete]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

Gentlemen,

This took off quite a bit fa than I anticipated. Is anyone else interested in representing the Brewers? I don't have a huge amount of time to keep up with this.

[AC]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Blue Jays
From: Rays Gm

RE: Arencibia trade

How about this

Rays r:
Arencibia
Alvarez
Norris

Jays r:
James Shields

Tell me how this works!

Best regards,
Kirk Plum, Gm of the Rays

Shields hasn't preformed well this year and is sort of getting up there in age. We would, however, do it for;

Arencibia
Drabek
Syndergaard/McGuire/Cardona/Musgrove

Best of luck,
Toronto Blue Jays Baseball

Edit; Just checked in my 'chise on the Rays. Not sure how Shields did, as he's retired, but Hellickson's a true ace, top 5 pitcher, Moore's an A overall however sports a 62-73 record with a 4.50 ERA at age 28. Price has been very good. Meh ace, great #2 guy.

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

Shields hasn't preformed well this year and is sort of getting up there in age. We would, however, do it for;

Arencibia
Drabek
Syndergaard/McGuire/Cardona/Musgrove

Best of luck,
Toronto Blue Jays Baseball

To: Blue Jays
From: Rays Gm

RE: Trade

Shields has only 1 start and he played against yanks. Alvarez had a breakdown and just lost it. I could throw in someone else if needed!

Best regards,
KP, Gm of rays

[AC]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

To: Blue Jays
From: Rays Gm

RE: Trade

Shields has only 1 start and he played against yanks. Alvarez had a breakdown and just lost it. I could throw in someone else if needed!

Best regards,
KP, Gm of rays

Whoops, didn't realize how early it was. First, how old is Shields? Cause I'd like someone under 26 if possible. Secondly, who's a good prospect you've got? I could definitely use a 1B and 2B prospect.
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Did you read my edit on how Matt Moore's preformed? it's been like that in most of my 'chises. If I were you, I'd trade him. Not necassarily to me, but to someone while he's still semi-valuable.

[msuboy11]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

Whoops, didn't realize how early it was. First, how old is Shields? Cause I'd like someone under 26 if possible. Secondly, who's a good prospect you've got? I could definitely use a 1B and 2B prospect.
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Did you read my edit on how Matt Moore's preformed? it's been like that in most of my 'chises. If I were you, I'd trade him. Not necassarily to me, but to someone while he's still semi-valuable.

Shields is 30, but on the game he is a true ace. He would've won cy young last year if Justin verlander didn't play. We have tim Beckham at short. He is 22 and plays 3b and 2b also.

Tell me what you think,
KP, Gm rays

[pokerplaya]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

Right, well, as far as the Dempster trade, that was initiated when I was still figuring out what to do/how to do it. If I were to go back--and I might try to redo it in a better way, I'm not really doing that here, just using the example--I might just say "How about Ryan Dempster for C Robert Brantly, 22 yrs old, D/B, currently blocked by Avila & J. McCann," and give you all of the relevant info, to which you might say, "Nope, but how about..." and then I'd either take what you offered (a couple of C prospects, say) or try another route. The open-ended way in which I proposed it seemed destined to fail. I think your point about "this is supposed to be fun" can be extended to basically mean that the majority of the work should be on the side of the PROPOSING TEAM, so that the responding GM can just look at the info provided and make a decision without having to dig through their rosters to find what might work, etc. If this becomes a situation where the GMs spend more time posting on this forum, responding to open-ended trade proposals, than they do playing their own games, it might get old fast. As cubs gm, I haven't actually had to respond to a single trade offer--who wants what we got? nobody so far--but I know that some folks (like the Tigers GM:wink have probably spent way more time on this project than the Show itself, and that might become a problem if we don't find a way to streamline our procedures--but it looks like things are evolving down that road, and people are being productive, helpful, and participatory, so I think we will get there.

As for Dempster, I don't blame you. I don't want him either! Randy Wells still has options, so for the time being I'm sending him down to AAA, putting Dempster in the long role, and putting T Wood in the rotation, and we'll see what develops as we get closer to the deadline. If I end up with him going FA, I should get a compensatory pick of some kind.

You really hit the nail on the head... the representatives are a resource, and if people want to use the resource to its fullest, they have to put the time in. That was exactly what I meant to say... so that our GMs have time to play their own games, but still lend their knowledge to others without some major time commitment. People can and obviously will take it farther, I just don't want any representative to feel like they have to sit there and constantly look through rosters trying to make trades work for others, that is NOT the intent of this thread. It's more to finalize what you think is a fair deal, and get a human who supports that franchise to go "Yup, we'd do that" or "Maybe if you threw in a little more, we're very close.." -- That type of thing.

I know I've said it before, but I've restarted more franchises than I can count because I said 10 games later, "Yep, I love this player -- but the team I traded would have never given me him."

[AC]

Re: OS Arbitration Panel Project 2012

Shields is 30, but on the game he is a true ace. He would've won cy young last year if Justin verlander didn't play. We have tim Beckham at short. He is 22 and plays 3b and 2b also.

Tell me what you think,
KP, Gm rays

30 isn't really a preferable age. What would we have to do to lure one of your younger starters? I like to think that we're a young team with a lot of compete, and we don't have too many thirty year olds that aren't in the pen.

May the odds be ever in your favor,
Toronto Blue Jays Baseball

(These negotiations are going so long that I've run out of things to say at the end. Had to make a Hunger Games reference. )