This game CHEATS...

[Cavicchi]

Re: This game CHEATS...

Didn't you say that you thought that the CPU wanted Joey Votto to get a hit? And didn't he quote the relevant part?

Not saying you used the word sinister (not that I read) or anything. But that's how he interpreted it. Perhaps you could clarify???

This is what I said in its entirety:

"The playing level has nothing to do with ball going through the bat for a strike three. I had that happen at least once on Rookie level.

I've caught the CPU setting my OF deep for guys who lack power, and I caught the CPU setting my OF shallow for guys with power. I've seen my shortstop move to his right as the pitch is thrown and the ball was hit straight near second base bag out of shortstop's reach. Why these things happen are beyond me. The CPU doesn't have to cheat like that to get a hit. I mean, the CPU could just have the batter get a hit regardless of defensive positioning. On the other hand, maybe the CPU by virtue of programming cannot get a hit that way.

The question remains, why play Joey Votto shallow? Would any team set their OF shallow for Joey Votto, with no one on base? That is one example, and there have been quite a few more like it.

Bad programming? Maybe. Cheating? Maybe. A Bug? I don't think so. The most likely reason that I see is the CPU wanted Votto to get a hit so it set my OF shallow.

Still, whatever the reason these things happen, I am having lots of fun. Sometimes I play for hours, three or four games in a row. Thus, even if the game does cheat, I still love it!"

[Marino]

Re: This game CHEATS...

I will say that this game can be frustrating at times, a little more for me than normal. But I am not sure if that's the new TV, maybe new things in the game, or nowadays I just suck. ()

But one thing I do when I get frustrated is just put my controller down, look at my phone, check twitter or my texts, then come back. I feel that if you are getting frustrated playing a game, you need to do something to break that up, or it will snowball.

I don't think this game cheats (although if you follow me on twitter you make think differently when Guerra decides to **** the fan some games), I just think it requires a greater amount of focus and baseball situational knowledge than normal.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: This game CHEATS...

....stuff. Hypothesizing. Laying out scenarios. More hypothesizing.

Conclusion:

Bad programming? Maybe. Cheating? Maybe. A Bug? I don't think so. The most likely reason that I see is the CPU wanted Votto to get a hit so it set my OF shallow.

Thanks for clarifying.

How did he misinterpret you? Not calling you out, but reposting your post did nothing to sway me into believing that you DO NOT believe that SCEA doesn't care whether or not Votto gets a hit here.

Do you think the programmers have a vested interest in that? You said the reason was "most likely." I can provide you a link from a post made by Brian SCEA that touches on this if you'd like.

[Cavicchi]

Re: This game CHEATS...

Thanks for clarifying.

How did he misinterpret you? Not calling you out, but reposting your post did nothing to sway me into believing that you DO NOT believe that SCEA doesn't care whether or not Votto gets a hit here.

Do you think the programmers have a vested interest in that? You said the reason was "most likely." I can provide you a link from a post made by Brian SCEA that touches on this if you'd like.

Did you read what I said at the end?

"Still, whatever the reason these things happen, I am having lots of fun. Sometimes I play for hours, three or four games in a row. Thus, even if the game does cheat, I still love it!"

Even IF the game cheats. You see, I really don't care if it does or not, and I don't get high blood pressure if someone says, implies, or suggests the game cheats.

I look at what transpires in the games I play and logic overrides all else. If you want to call what I said sinister, go ahead--make yourself happy.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: This game CHEATS...

Did you read what I said at the end?

"Still, whatever the reason these things happen, I am having lots of fun. Sometimes I play for hours, three or four games in a row. Thus, even if the game does cheat, I still love it!"

Even IF the game cheats. You see, I really don't care if it does or not, and I don't get high blood pressure if someone says, implies, or suggests the game cheats.

I look at what transpires in the games I play and logic overrides all else. If you want to call what I said sinister, go ahead--make yourself happy.

I never used the word sinister. Psychobulk did. And I know how much you love this game, Cavicchi. I really do. I don't doubt it for a second.

I just pointed out that you left the door open to the possibility of cheating or predetermined outcomes. That's all.

I can dig up a Dev response to this if you're interested. Are you?

[Cavicchi]

Re: This game CHEATS...

I never used the word sinister. Psychobulk did. And I know how much you love this game, Cavicchi. I really do. I don't doubt it for a second.

I just pointed out that you left the door open to the possibility of cheating or predetermined outcomes. That's all.

I can dig up a Dev response to this if you're interested. Are you?

Have I said the game cheats? If not, why are you offering to do digging? I think my position on cheating has been made clear.

In all honesty, I would never expect any developer to say their game cheats.

You never used the word sinister but you came in trying to explain why the other member used it. I think it's always best to let other people explain what they think. Anyway, if he or you or anybody else wants to think I meant sinister, I don't care anymore. Heck, you can call me sinister as well.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: This game CHEATS...

Have I said the game cheats? If not, why are you offering to do digging? I think my position on cheating has been made clear.

In all honesty, I would never expect any developer to say their game cheats.

You never used the word sinister but you came in trying to explain why the other member used it. I think it's always best to let other people explain what they think. Anyway, if he or you or anybody else wants to think I meant sinister, I don't care anymore. Heck, you can call me sinister as well.

Didn't mean to get you all riled up, Cavicchi.

The "most likely" line is what tripped me up. I was asking for clarification on it, because I interpreted it as you thinking there was at least the possibilty of predetermined at-bats (or the framework for Votto's hit percentage to skyrocket).

I'm still confused about what you meant, but I'll drop it. You just lost me there. I meant no offense and do not find you to be a sinister guy in the slightest.

[Cavicchi]

Re: This game CHEATS...

Didn't mean to get you all riled up, Cavicchi.

The "most likely" line is what tripped me up. I was asking for clarification on it, because I interpreted it as you thinking there was at least the possibilty of predetermined at-bats (or the framework for Votto's hit percentage to skyrocket).

I'm still confused about what you meant, but I'll drop it. You just lost me there. I meant no offense and do not find you to be a sinister guy in the slightest.

You didn't get me all riled up. I thought you guys were all riled up that someone would have "sinister" thoughts about the game.

The most likely line is exactly what I meant, most likely. If that is sinister, so be it.

It's only a game, only a game meant for people to enjoy. I made it very clear how I feel about the enjoyment part. But, someone had to go nitpicking on what was thought to be...sinister...and whammo! So what if someone even thinks the game is sinister? So what if someone even thinks the game cheats? Play the game and enjoy. I don't understand why anyone would play a game they don't enjoy.

[raneman85]

Re: This game CHEATS...

Couple things I would like to know for those who are following the tread.

1 What level do you play on? AllStar. I believe the realism is designed for All-Star. Anything above you have to play a perfect game.

2 Are the teams and players that beat you clutch or better than you? I've rarely been beaten by a nobody player, always good players. The teams that beat me usually have an equal or better roster

3 What mistake (choke move) did you make to start the turn of events? Error, walk, grove a pitch, wild strike out, no intentional walk.

4 How many times have you come back to win? The loses are more but the wins are sweet.

5 It's late at night and your last game, you lose a close one. How long are you thinking about it? I'm 50 and a baseball junkie. I've laid in bed thinking about it for a half hour. Wife used to ask what I was thinking about it and I'd say something intelligent like, the bills. Now she knows how shallow I am because I sound like the boys and talk to the TV.

6. When you find another Show player do you guys compare gameplay, RTTS, franchises like it's real? For me it's like finding a brother from a different mother. I know a teacher who talks and builds his bonds with students about The Show. I love it when another Dad plays the game. We always play as our kids in RTTS.

7 Does the mere suggestion of whether or not the game "cheats" add a competetive mystique when playing the game? I actually think it's part of the psych job. I'll be up by a couple in the 5th and I'm thinking about the 8th and 9th inning. I love it when the controller vibrates. It adds to the choke/clutch factor.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: This game CHEATS...

You didn't get me all riled up. I thought you guys were all riled up that someone would have "sinister" thoughts about the game.

The most likely line is exactly what I meant, most likely. If that is sinister, so be it.

It's only a game, only a game meant for people to enjoy. I made it very clear how I feel about the enjoyment part. But, someone had to go nitpicking on what was thought to be...sinister...and whammo! So what if someone even thinks the game is sinister? So what if someone even thinks the game cheats? Play the game and enjoy. I don't understand why anyone would play a game they don't enjoy.

I'm not really sure what any of this has to do with any of my posts?

I was just asking for clarification and telling you how your words may be interpreted. I then asked you for clarification and you decide to get all angry sounding.

Which is fine.

I think you and I, for some reason, don't read eachother's post the way they were intended when we wrote them.

For that reason, let's just save this conversation for another time.

[I3RIS3H]

Re: This game CHEATS...

After coming back from the Mets game tonight I have realized that this game doesn't cheat in any way. The Mets were only down 4-3 going into the top of the 9th when it seemed like the Phillies just hit everything. The Phillies took a 1-run game and made it a 7-run game in one inning.

I don't know, maybe the Phillies were cheating?

[wisdom less13]

Re: This game CHEATS...

After coming back from the Mets game tonight I have realized that this game doesn't cheat in any way. The Mets were only down 4-3 going into the top of the 9th when it seemed like the Phillies just hit everything. The Phillies took a 1-run game and made it a 7-run game in one inning.

I don't know, maybe the Phillies were cheating?

TOO SOON!!!

[Hannah000]

Re: This game CHEATS...

I wonder what the OP thinks about the Seattle Mariners, of all teams, scoring 16 runs in two innings? This is why I love The Show, very realistic.

[PsychoBulk]

Re: This game CHEATS...

Wooooah, slow down horsey!

Cavicchi i like reading your posts but you need to realise that the below...

Bad programming? Maybe. Cheating? Maybe. A Bug? I don't think so. The most likely reason that I see is the CPU wanted Votto to get a hit so it set my OF shallow.

...is quite clearly you saying you believe the game effectively reset the OF to get a hit i.e. cheat, i.e. its a bit sinister!

I think thats pretty obvious to anyone who read it.

Anyway, we're all entitled to our own opinions, if you want to believe it, thats fine, your choice, ill choose to believe the developers when they tell me theres no such pre-determined code ever used, thats my choice.

Andddddddddddddddd breathe :wink:

[stealyerface]

Re: This game CHEATS...

Back in the day, and by "back in the day" I mean in a certain game from 2005, there was a toggleable offering called "Variable Stuff".

What I believe this to have been, was a randomization with regards to whether or not the pitcher had his "stuff" from one game to the next. Meaning, if we are speaking in terms of how a pitcher is feeling from start to start, some days he had the sharp breaking ball and good late movement on the straight stuff, and other days he was flat, and had no zip on the ball.

I loved this scenario, and it was fairly evident early on as to which guy you were going to have to be controlling during that game.

The stuff would change between resets, between restarts of the game, and from day to day during a season.

Does anyone know as to whether this type of logic, or a least this type of system is something that is coded in the game, and could this have any bearing on why one game, using the same exact settings, your set up man can go 1-2-3 in the eighth, and make the other team look silly, and the next game, not be able to record an out?

Is this one of the Little Things that might be there, but not really be publicly acknowledged?

Is there not a chance that when the game fires up, that a non-pre-destined, pre-destined outcome may be in the wings, based on the set up of that particular game, and how the pitcher's tendencies are cast for that game's roll of the dice?

Is there also a chance that playing with a different roster, other than that of the official SCEA Updates, it may skew that dice roll based on other's interpretations of fielding ratings, and defensive/offensive tendencies?

If one were to jack up Pedroia's defensive rating to 99, would he ever fall victim to the 8th inning second baseman error at a crucial time, whereby he throws the easy back half of the double play into the stands?

If Middlebrook(s) rating at third were pegged at 99, would he actually throw the ball to second with a runner at first and no out, or would he continue to throw the ball to the plate for no reason?

I guess the question still lingers even though we have been told and retold, and told again that there are no pre-determined outcomes programmed in the game, could there be something less sinister, but equally as effective as far as pre-game tendencies that are hidden in the back end of the program?

~syf