This game CHEATS...

[Majingir]

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There's no way that almost half the balls hit in a game are fouls.


I played a game where I KNEW that if I changed pitchers in the 7th(despite having the advantage with a lefty vs a lefty who sucks vs lefties), I'd lose the game cause they'd somehow hit something huge to take the lead.

Of course, my current reliever ended up pitching 30+ pitches to only 2 batters cause they hit fouls like crazy. So it forced me to change my pitcher since he had nothing left. Then first pitch with new pitcher....2 run home run and that was the game winner.

[Bobhead]

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First of all, 27 outs - about 7 strikeouts, + about 9 hits, = the average team only puts 29 balls in play per game. A lot of people don't realize the number is that low, because over the course of the game, you have strikeouts and everything else going on.

Plus, realize there is a LOT of deviation with this stat. The average is 48%, but you have teams like the Yankees and Red Sox that hit way more foul balls than that, then you have teams like the Blue Jays (your team, chosen for that reason) that hit very few of them, because they are not really looking to work counts or draw walks very often.

I don't have actual stats in front of me so I may be wrong on my examples, but still you get what I'm saying, and I'll look some up when I get back from the store.

[bkrich83]

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I love these I can't win so the game must be cheating threads. Just goes to show perception is reality for people no matter how off target they are in reality.

[mpejkrm]

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One thing that annoys me is EVERY TIME i get a 3-0 count, the CPU works it back to full and then bam- strikeout or out.

[sink4ever]

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Whenever I see these threads I feel like I must be playing a totally different game than everyone else. So far in '12, I feel like I've seen the CPU make more errors than me, I get more borderline strikes, and I think I've come back against the CPU more than they've come back against me. I play on All-Star with slightly modified sliders.

Probably one of the most challenging things about The Show is that it really does require absolute concentration for the entire game. I've played games where a slight distraction or momentary lapse in concentration has cost me the win. But if I really stay mentally disciplined, I feel like I always have a chance to win. In my Pirates franchise I just beat the Tigers when it was Correia vs. Verlander. I managed to get Verlander's pitch count up a bit then scored 4 runs vs. the bullpen.

When pitching I try to pay attention to my pitcher's strengths, the hitter's hot/cold zones, and whether I'm falling into a certain pattern. When hitting, as long as I remain patient and don't chase junk, I generally have good success at getting good pitches to hit while driving up the pitch count.

The CPU doesn't cheat. It doesn't have to. It will play good baseball and you'll have to do the same to earn the win.

[mmorg]

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There's no way that almost half the balls hit in a game are fouls.

Yes, because you know better than actual statistics.

[mmorg]

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Where did you find that? It matches what I found but it always takes me forever to track down foul ball information, and I'd imagine your source is more efficient than mine.

Retrosheet data.

[Bobhead]

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How did you find it? Do you have a link? I'd never really used retrosheet before but at a glance it looks like everything is individualized by single games and single players, and I don't even see a place where foul balls would be recorded.

[MattP598]

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I can't believe this thread hasn't been closed yet. I've never seen threads get closed faster on any other site than this one.

That said, my 2 cents...

I don't have near the degree of frustration as the OP, but something definitely happens in this game, in my experiences, when either I or the CPU goes up by 4+ runs.

If the CPU goes up by 4, his pitcher starts falling behind more and I start getting fatter pitches to hit and drawing more walks. The chances of him making an error goes up as well.

Likewise, when I go up by 4 or more my pitches start finding the middle of the plate more no matter if I hit my timing perfectly, and my fielders chances of making an error go up.

I need to go back and check my schedule, but I can't remember any games in my current franchise where I have been blown out or I have blown out the CPU.

Again, this is just my opinion from what I have seen from playing my franchise.

[PowerofRed25]

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I'm too lazy to quote anyone, but...

- In real life, approximately 45% of all batted balls are foul, so while I agree the foul balls need to be slightly toned down at default, I think guys are exaggerating the issue quite a bit.

- I didn't play NBA 2k11, but NBA 2k12 pissed me the heck off. They should have just called it NBA Interception. Or maybe NBA Extra-Sensory-Perception Network. I owned that game for a total of 2 weeks.

- I haven't noticed any lack of run support in RTTS. I'm not a pitcher but technically that shouldn't change anything. If you are watching your teammates at-bats, keep in mind your sliders affect them. If you are simming them, then maybe your team just sucks? Welcome to the minor leagues.

- I too have gotten some really bad calls from umpires, but I've gotten the benefit of them also. The other day I had the bases loaded, and was frozen by a fastball about mid-level and on the outer third of the plate. The entire marker was clearly in the zone, and not even touching the border, but it was called a ball. Next pitch was ball 4.

The bad is always more memorable than the good, but if you really pay attention, you'll pick up on a few gifts.

While I agree about foul balls being a significant part of baseball, the problem is that in the game, they are not proportional to things like walks, strikeouts, hits. I believe the highest foul ball rate last year in the Majors for a single player was 62%. So for every 10 pitches seen, 6 were fouled off. But keep in mind, the player with that foul ball rate hit .159 over 500 plate appearances. It just isn't proportional to other things.

I get zero run support in RTTS, not just in the minors but the majors. And considering the team I am on won the World Series and 101 games my rookie year, it isn't the team. I only play my appearances and I went a 5 games stretch where I got 0 runs of support. But hey, same thing happened to Ervin Santana this year on a great hitting Angels squad. The worst one for me was a 7 inning relief appearance where I threw 7 shutout into the 13th and got 0 runs to help.

[CKW11]

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These threads make me laugh.

On topic though, I play on HOF, pulse pitching, timing hitting, few minor slider adjustments, and I honestly haven't had any instances where I felt the CPU is "cheating".

This game does know how to humble you though.

[Hannah000]

Re: This game CHEATS... -- Here are my Veteran Level Silders

Human Hitting -- Timing -- All-Star or Veteran Level
Human Pitching -- Classic -- Veteran Level

Gameplay Sliders

Human and CPU Contact -- 4
Human and CPU Power -- 6
Human and CPU Timing -- 5
Human and CPU Foul Frequency -- 4
Stride Difficulty -- 5 (I do not us this.)
Human and CPU Solid Hits -- 2
Human and CPU Starter Stamina -- 7
Human and CPU Reliever Stamina -- 4
Human Pitch Control -- 2 (This is NOT too low.)
Human Pitcher Consistency -- 8 (This is NOT to high.)
Manager Hook -- 4
Pick-Offs -- 5
Pitch Speed -- When I Pitch -- 10 .... When I hit -- 1 (I never hit and I only Pitch.)
Fielding Errors -- 10 (This is NOT too high.)
Throwing Errors -- 7
Fielder Run Speed -- 2
Fielder Reaction -- 7
Baserunner Speed -- 5
Baserunner Steal Ability -- 4
Baserunner Steal Agressiveness -- 9 (This will yield realistic SB Attempts. Remember to throw over to first if there is a speedy runner on first base or they will steal ya blind.)
Wind -- 4
Injuries -- 7 or 8 (8 may be a bit high, but 7 is very realistic. You will see short term injuries and long term injuries with both settings.)

These Sliders have remained consistent for the last 3 Years and they yield Awesome Simulation Gameplay results. Please let me know what you think of them. Thanks and have fun

[bronxbombers21325]

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15 pitch at bats every inning? Ever watch real baseball?

[Majingir]

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15 pitch at bats every inning? Ever watch real baseball?

Baseball is real!?! I thought it was just a video game

[authentic]

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Ok, I didn't read any responses, but man you really opened my eyes. After playing High School Varsity baseball for 6 years, playing 4 years of D1 College Baseball, I never knew baseball was suppose to be so perfect. I always wondered why in real life why teams could score 5+ runs in an innings, it's because they cheat. That's crazy, watching this game on ESPN right now, 4 runs with 2 outs in an inning was stupid, because Hernandez should've easily shut them down.

Dude, it's baseball. This game is frustrating. I played it for 18 years, out of my 22 year life span. Almost every game has an inning where a huge error could occur. In fact, most errors result in runs scored or a positive outcome for the other team. I'm so sick of these rants about how this game cheats, when the facts are that it's how baseball actually is.