I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

[stealyerface]

Re: I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

Hamels and Kazmir, both with great change ups, are near Johan at that magic 12mph range. Laffey and Sheets, I had both at near 15mph.

Sheets' difference was lessened after his Tommy John surgery, but in the day, he was filthy with his change and a 93mph fastball... Since his surgery, his fastball averages just under 91mph, and his change has stayed pretty consistent at 84 so, I agree with the 9mph post surgery.

~syf

[DodgerFanatic2K3]

Re: I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

No offense guys but this topic is getting off track and turning into another pitch rating discussion

I made this thread to state that it is absurd that ever year we get a gorgeous game with all the bells & whistles but when it comes down to something as simple as researching the correct pitches that a pitcher throws they half a** it and don't give it the attention it deserves.

We shouldn't need to wait for a roster download or for great people in the community like seanjeezy to fix all of there glaring repertoire mistakes every year. If there going to just rely on guys like him to fix there mistakes and add them all on a roster download then they should just put him on the payroll to make it authentic out of the box

The 2K games excelled at this with inside edge scouting and I hope that SCEA starts seeing that it's a very important issue and a total insult to pitchers when it's wrong

If one of the awesome guys from SCEA would like to offer some perspective and enlighten us about this I would be welcomed to hear it

[Jordan93]

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It's true I agree, No reason why they don't have two guys doing research, one finding out what MLB players make in terms of dollars.... doesn't take very long MLBTR, Team press releases and Cot's baseball contracts. The other guy researching pitchers repertoire, it is rather mind boggling that they have certain pitchers throwing pitches they have never thrown. They have speed wrong, but more improtanly in my opninon is jsut the fact they have a year to sit down and write what each pitchers has their aresnal because once you have it right, you'll only ever face the odd year when pitchers struggle and learn a new pitch or throw another pitch more often. Usually a pitcher already has the type of pitches he's going to throw when they make the big leagues, yet SCEA has pitchers thrwoing pitches they've never ever thrown.
I remember when Chad Beck came up with the blue jays and the guy was throwing 4 seamer and 2 seamer soemthing like 85 percent of the time in the minors that year and they put him in the game and he doesn't even have a fastball in his pitch arsenal.

[stealyerface]

Re: I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

No offense guys but this topic is getting off track and turning into another pitch rating discussion

I made this thread to state that it is absurd that ever year we get a gorgeous game with all the bells & whistles but when it comes down to something as simple as researching the correct pitches that a pitcher throws they half a** it and don't give it the attention it deserves.

We shouldn't need to wait for a roster download or for great people in the community like seanjeezy to fix all of there glaring repertoire mistakes every year. If there going to just rely on guys like him to fix there mistakes and add them all on a roster download then they should just put him on the payroll to make it authentic out of the box

The 2K games excelled at this with inside edge scouting and I hope that SCEA starts seeing that it's a very important issue and a total insult to pitchers when it's wrong

If one of the awesome guys from SCEA would like to offer some perspective and enlighten us about this I would be welcomed to hear it

No one is getting off track about anything. It does not matter if they get all the pitches right if they miss the actual speed of the pitches they give them. Ratings are not what this is about at all. If they give Chad Beck a 102 mph fastball, it is not like you are going to say, "Well, at least they gave him the right pitch". This is about scouting, attention to detail, and making the game as thorough as possible by matching pitch repertoires and speeds to the right guy.

Guys with the wrong pitches and attributes therein is almost as inexcusable as guys who misuse the proper use of "there", "they're", and "their"... Repeatedly.

~syf

[Unit303]

Re: I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

They have been getting slightly better but it still is pretty bad. 12 is much better than something awful like 10 but still just not where it needs to be. It's one of those things like the grass colors and certain walls and little things like that that make a baseball game realistic. We have been asking for accurate pitchers for a long long time. It shouldn't be that hard to compute and really things like this are very important to the game of baseball.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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Too be honest with you guys I prefer the way the change up is in game. I know in real life there is only about a 7 mph difference, but we need to also know this is a video game.

I want to be fooled on that change up and be out front. With a few mph difference we would not notice the difference. As of now there is no way to simulate arm speed etc.

[Unit303]

Re: I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

I think it is pretty okay as well. I just want better pitch reps but we know they do improve this year to year. Look at 10. They have come a long way since then.

[DodgerFanatic2K3]

Re: I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

They have been getting slightly better but it still is pretty bad. 12 is much better than something awful like 10 but still just not where it needs to be. It's one of those things like the grass colors and certain walls and little things like that that make a baseball game realistic. We have been asking for accurate pitchers for a long long time. It shouldn't be that hard to compute and really things like this are very important to the game of baseball.

Amen... If they can't get something as vital as correct pitcher repertoires out of the box then they will never be recognized as an authentic baseball game. This isn't something cosmetic that were talking about and there is no excuse why this shouldn't be priority #1 to fix

I don't care how lifelike they make Kenley Jansen look. When he's missing his "signature" cutter out of the box and I have to rely on someone to fix it before I can start my season there is a problem

[seanjeezy]

Re: I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

Too be honest with you guys I prefer the way the change up is in game. I know in real life there is only about a 7 mph difference, but we need to also know this is a video game.

I want to be fooled on that change up and be out front. With a few mph difference we would not notice the difference. As of now there is no way to simulate arm speed etc.

This puzzling on so many levels. First off, 7 mph is plenty of separation to induce whiffs and rollovers, there's a reason why the majority of big league pitchers sit within this range. The effect is amplified in the game since there isn't a discernible difference in arm speed (like you said), so increasing the differential makes hitting artificially harder, something the majority of people aren't too fond of. Second, for a game that is claiming to be the most authentic representation of the game of baseball, having some ~600 players not accurately represented is inexcusable. Its pretty much the same as giving hitters the wrong ratings.

Side note, the three best changeup throwers in the game (Felix, Shields, Hamels) average 2 mph, 6 mph, and 7 mph off their fastball respectively, and they are damn hard to hit in-game.

[Jordan93]

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@SeanJeezy, your right and that's what makes Hamels and Co so nasty, we're talking about seconds and they matter in baseball. So if you only lose 6 MPH on your fastball that throws hitters off hard, where as a slow change up gives them more time to think about the pitch. Especially a Circle Change, nasty pitch.

[Jordan93]

Re: I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

Think about how much Dickeys Knuckleball throws off hitters not only because it's a Knuckler but it's only a couple mPH off from his fastball.

[seanjeezy]

Re: I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

@SeanJeezy, your right and that's what makes Hamels and Co so nasty, we're talking about seconds and they matter in baseball. So if you only lose 6 MPH on your fastball that throws hitters off hard, where as a slow change up gives them more time to think about the pitch. Especially a Circle Change, nasty pitch.

Think about how much Dickeys Knuckleball throws off hitters not only because it's a Knuckler but it's only a couple mPH off from his fastball.

Exactly, also movement and deception are equally as important.

[Bahnzo]

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I'm glad to see this being talked about. It's one of the easiest things they could fix, but yet continue to get wrong year in and out.

And it's all over the place. Whether it's getting the pitch repertoire incorrect, and/or the pitch speeds, it's baffling to me they get both wrong on a consistent basis. And the info out there is available to even the most basic fan...the fact they've been missing it on a year in, year out basis just flat out confounds me.

[tvman]

Re: I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

Maybe the guys who go out to SD for community days could take a spread sheet with all pitch types and speeds that all MLB pitchers throw in real life. They certainly would have no reason for getting it wrong then.

[Bahnzo]

Re: I hope better scouting research has been done for pitchers this year

Maybe the guys who go out to SD for community days could take a spread sheet with all pitch types and speeds that all MLB pitchers throw in real life. They certainly would have no excuse for getting it wrong then.

They people who go out for cumminity days don't worry about that.