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  • MrOldboy
    MVP
    • Feb 2011
    • 2653

    #61
    Re: (PS Blog) Step Up to the Plate: MLB ’13 The Show Hitting Enhancements Detailed!

    Originally posted by Bobhead
    Personally that does seem kind of low. I'd expect a pull hitter to hit at least around 50% of their hits to their pull side... It's not something I've ever researched or thought about though, so I could be wrong. I'm also assuming the pull hitter was only a "pull hitter" and not an "extreme pull hitter."

    As for nemesis' observation though, I'd hypothesize that the bigger the timing window, the easier it is to bypass the hitting tendencies. In other words, what difficulty level were you playing on?
    It seems like its in line with spray charts for base hits, I think. Its the home runs where I think this gets tricky.

    What I am more curious about is if the system differentiates home runs at all. From what has been said so far I'd say that it doesn't.

    Joey Votto hit 17/29 home runs to left of center in 2011. I'd honestly call that some heavy push/opposite power since it seems that even balanced hitters will hit more home runs to their pull side. If Votto is labeled as balanced in the game that would make sense for him. But not all hitters and I feel, need actual data, that a balanced hitter would hit most of his home runs to his pull field. The video mentioned that push hitters won't necessarily hit home runs to their opposite field which makes sense. But Prado, I think, was shown. What about a power hitter that is labeled push, can he hit home runs to opposite field?

    For example in the video Bryce Harper has a 30/32/38 chart, which I assume is from a MLB.com chart of all his hits (including home runs) and he is labeled balanced. But if you look at his home run chart he is a 14/23/63 home run hitter. That is a pretty big difference from his hits to just looking at home runs. But from the video it seemed maybe this will workout, the part about push hitters not necessarily hitting home runs.
    Last edited by MrOldboy; 01-30-2013, 08:20 PM.

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    • Bobhead
      Pro
      • Mar 2011
      • 4926

      #62
      Re: (PS Blog) Step Up to the Plate: MLB ’13 The Show Hitting Enhancements Detailed!

      Originally posted by Russell_SCEA
      It depends on the batter F.Freeman's spray chart has 42% balls hit to right field. 50% would be an extreme pull hitter which F.Freeman isn't so the system is working properly.
      Originally posted by seanjeezy
      I'd actually classify 50% as an extreme pull hitter. Pujols had the most balls hit to the pull side this year, ~52%. The ranges are actually pretty small, a 7% shift to one side is the difference between a balanced and pull/push hitter

      Edit:

      Damn, ninja'd...
      Ah cool. I stand corrected then. Thanks guys. Also where do you even find these percentage spray chart data? It's something I've always wanted to look at, in terms of real life MLB.

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      • tvman
        MVP
        • Nov 2010
        • 1392

        #63
        Re: (PS Blog) Step Up to the Plate: MLB ’13 The Show Hitting Enhancements Detailed!

        Originally posted by MrOldboy
        It seems like its in line with spray charts for base hits, I think. Its the home runs where I think this gets tricky.

        What I am more curious about is if the system differentiates home runs at all. From what has been said so far I'd say that it doesn't.

        Joey Votto hit 17/29 home runs to left of center in 2011. I'd honestly call that some heavy push/opposite power since it seems that even balanced hitters will hit more home runs to their pull side. If Votto is labeled as balanced in the game that would make sense for him. But not all hitters and I feel, need actual data, that a balanced hitter would hit most of his home runs to his pull field. The video mentioned that push hitters won't necessarily hit home runs to their opposite field which makes sense. But Prado, I think, was shown. What about a power hitter that is labeled push, can he hit home runs to opposite field?

        For example in the video Bryce Harper has a 30/32/38 chart, which I assume is from a MLB.com chart of all his hits (including home runs) and he is labeled balanced. But if you look at his home run chart he is a 14/23/63 home run hitter.
        That's a good point, about the hr. distribution. I wonder how Adrien Gonzalez looks on the hit distribution chart, he's about as opposite a field Hr. hitter as there is.

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        • MrOldboy
          MVP
          • Feb 2011
          • 2653

          #64
          Re: (PS Blog) Step Up to the Plate: MLB ’13 The Show Hitting Enhancements Detailed!

          Originally posted by tvman
          That's a good point, about the hr. distribution. I wonder how Adrien Gonzalez looks on the hit distribution chart, he's about as opposite a field Hr. hitter as there is.
          This is the site I was using to get HR data.



          Gonzalez is in 2012 a 33/11/56 HR hitter. In 2011 he was 41/11/48
          He still technically hit most of his HRs to right field the last two years. But I don't know how the game will handle this. He is a weird case though since he hits most of his HRs to either left or right, few to center.

          Also just noticed this watching the video again, but the Carlos Gonzalez glimpse looked pretty good, had a high leg kick. http://youtu.be/ochFV9Ym6dc?t=3m7s
          Last edited by MrOldboy; 01-30-2013, 08:30 PM.

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          • Demizebf3
            Banned
            • Nov 2011
            • 137

            #65
            Re: (PS Blog) Step Up to the Plate: MLB ’13 The Show Hitting Enhancements Detailed!

            A glimpse of Carlos Gonzalez's stance, looks really nice and way better than the one he has now, one of my favorite players to draft in an online league but his stance sometimes turned me off a little.

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            • tvman
              MVP
              • Nov 2010
              • 1392

              #66
              Re: (PS Blog) Step Up to the Plate: MLB ’13 The Show Hitting Enhancements Detailed!

              Originally posted by MrOldboy
              This is the site I was using to get HR data.



              Gonzalez is in 2012 a 33/11/56 HR hitter. In 2011 he was 41/11/48
              He still technically hit most of his HRs to right field the last two years. But I don't know how the game will handle this. He is a weird case though since he hits most of his HRs to either left or right, few to center.

              Also just noticed this watching the video again, but the Carlos Gonzalez glimpse looked pretty good, had a high leg kick. http://youtu.be/ochFV9Ym6dc?t=3m7s
              Thanks for that link!

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              • Arod2k9
                Rookie
                • Mar 2009
                • 446

                #67
                Re: (PS Blog) Step Up to the Plate: MLB ’13 The Show Hitting Enhancements Detailed!

                I love everything about this years game, I just can't wait. All these new player models, new stances, new lighting, updated stadiums, ball physics, presentation. I loving the crap of reading everyone's impressions of blogs and post.

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                • Heroesandvillains
                  MVP
                  • May 2009
                  • 5974

                  #68
                  Re: (PS Blog) Step Up to the Plate: MLB ’13 The Show Hitting Enhancements Detailed!

                  Originally posted by nemesis04
                  I am strictly a zone batting player.

                  I am not here to scare anyone, these were my observations with the system on my end. As I said it made sense and felt natural when the CPU was up at bat. When I was up at bat I felt a little disconnect with it. I much rather it be this way as opposed to the system putting me on rails and force the hits based on how they hit IRL. Anyway there were other guys playing and I am sure they have their observations too.
                  I spent about four days out in front of pitches. Don't ask me! LOL!

                  Honestly Nemesis, I think you and I struggled probably the most at CD being consistently early; meaning we were pulling a lot of balls because we were supposed to.

                  Kirby told me that I would start to see all kind of hits once I got the hang of waiting back and settling myself down.

                  Suprisingly, not one mention in here of the estimated 0.40 BA increase on All-Star this year. That puts me at...

                  Hang on, gotta grab the old calculator...

                  .310! Whoa!

                  May have to take Chris' recommendation and give HOF a shake! Though, I'd imagine that estimate probably is more severe for those that really had a hard time catching up to pitches, and probably less so for those that could read pitches and still managed to suck (which is more like me, by the way).

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                  • Bobhead
                    Pro
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 4926

                    #69
                    Re: (PS Blog) Step Up to the Plate: MLB ’13 The Show Hitting Enhancements Detailed!

                    Originally posted by Heroesandvillains
                    I spent about four days out in front of pitches. Don't ask me! LOL!

                    Honestly Nemesis, I think you and I struggled probably the most at CD being consistently early; meaning we were pulling a lot of balls because we were supposed to.

                    Kirby told me that I would start to see all kind of hits once I got the hang of waiting back and settling myself down.

                    Suprisingly, not one mention in here of the estimated 0.40 BA increase on All-Star this year. That puts me at...

                    Hang on, gotta grab the old calculator...

                    .310! Whoa!

                    May have to take Chris' recommendation and give HOF a shake! Though, I'd imagine that estimate probably is more severe for those that really had a hard time catching up to pitches, and probably less so for those that could read pitches and still managed to suck (which is more like me, by the way).
                    I've been dying to comment on this... but there's just not anything for me to say. I'm batting .250 in my franchise right now, but that's not on default sliders, thus I don't think it's fair to say, nor is it likely, that I'd be batting .290 in '13.

                    All I can really say is that I'm confident SCEA knows what they are doing, and that they didn't artificially inject PEDs into The Show. And if I were a betting man, I'd bet that the .40 is an overstatement, poor estimate, or simply a very broad generalization... because I just don't see it applying to veterans who had already adapted to their difficulty level.

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                    • Heroesandvillains
                      MVP
                      • May 2009
                      • 5974

                      #70
                      Re: (PS Blog) Step Up to the Plate: MLB ’13 The Show Hitting Enhancements Detailed!

                      Originally posted by Bobhead
                      I've been dying to comment on this... but there's just not anything for me to say. I'm batting .250 in my franchise right now, but that's not on default sliders, thus I don't think it's fair to say, nor is it likely, that I'd be batting .290 in '13.

                      All I can really say is that I'm confident SCEA knows what they are doing, and that they didn't artificially inject PEDs into The Show. And if I were a betting man, I'd bet that the .40 is an overstatement, poor estimate, or simply a very broad generalization... because I just don't see it applying to veterans who had already adapted to their difficulty level.
                      I tend to agree with this, to an extent. I've yet to write my hitting impressions post - in there I'll mention a game where I was 5 hit by Aroldis Chapman through 8 innings on a Default AS game - but otherwise, I have a feeling some OS members will either be raising difficulty this year (which is not necessarily a bad thing), or (the bad thing) have the dreded "caught between difficulty level" happen to them.

                      On the other end of this, however, a lot of you (if not most of you) will be thrilled.

                      I'll go into more detail when I have time.

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                      • Jaybirdy24
                        Rookie
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 49

                        #71
                        Re: MLB 13 The Show Video and Blog - Hitting Enhancements: Beginner Mode & More

                        I heard ramone say you'll see more 13-9 and high scoring games. I hope youll still get pitching duels and balanced games a lot too. I like the idea of having more high scoring games, cuz there are a lot in real life, but only if you still have pitching duels and most games should be balanced (5-3) (6-4)

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                        • RoyalBoyle78
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                          • May 2003
                          • 23918

                          #72
                          This is painful!!!! I want this game yesterday
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                          • nemesis04
                            RIP Ty My Buddy
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 13530

                            #73
                            Re: MLB 13 The Show Video and Blog - Hitting Enhancements: Beginner Mode & More

                            Originally posted by Jaybirdy24
                            I heard ramone say you'll see more 13-9 and high scoring games. I hope youll still get pitching duels and balanced games a lot too. I like the idea of having more high scoring games, cuz there are a lot in real life, but only if you still have pitching duels and most games should be balanced (5-3) (6-4)
                            There was actually a good mix of high scoring games, pitching duels, extra innings etc.
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                            • enright6
                              Rookie
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 72

                              #74
                              everything looks very nice...only problem i had is when they showed adam dunn....us cellular field is still messed up. The wall behind the left field bleechers is still a plain gray wall like the textures were never added. It should be green and gray with brick pillars. the right field wall is right...left field is still wrong.

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                              • destructocid
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 44

                                #75
                                Re: MLB 13 The Show Video and Blog - Hitting Enhancements: Beginner Mode & More

                                Pretty incredible, my only complaint is that it doesn't come out until march. You scea guys gotta get on that. Shoot for like a December/January release

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