MLB 13 The Show Player Ratings For Every Team

[nomo17k]

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That what I am curious about. I am not saying HR's is the only factor, but I don't think H/HR would be the best stat either. What about guys like Pujols when he'd hit .330 with 40+ HR's? Does he not deserve the 90 power either?

I am not really complaining about his attributes either as more as I am just curious. I guess I still don't understand what constitutes "contact" and "power".

Contact rating = batting average is correct by our experience and has been pretty much confirmed that the rating is designed to replicate. I'm not sure about Power rating exactly, but it's pretty obvious that what it affects most is the speed of the batted ball... the higher the Power rating, the faster the ball travels off the bat for the most part... for grounders, line drives, fly balls.... all. hahahaha

In regular gameplay, I think Contact is probably most well correlated with line drive % in details.... There has been pretty solid evidence (e.g., sabermetrics) that high batting average is mostly a result of more line drives (which tend to fall between fielders before being caught). So high Contact hitters produce more line drives compared to grounders, fly balls, popups, etc.

I think Power pretty much translates to how much jolt you can put into the batted ball.... it tends to work like that in looking at numbers in simmed games.... but in regular gameplay it feels that it has slightly larger effect than just putting jolt, since by making the batted ball travel faster, high Power hitter can convert some less-quality hits into safe hits, finding holes and landing between fielders. So when you compare high and low Power hitters with same Contact, the former tends to outperform (which makes sense even in real life.....).

I just cited HR / H, because it's the easiest number to calculate (almost all baseball stats sites/books has the number), and so long as you can neglect park factors, hitting approach, swing angle and all, it represents what we conceive as power fairly well....... hahaha.

I would put it another way, Trout has power and can hit for average.

What is this game using to calculate power rating?

I don't know this exactly, but HR/H does correlate well with HR numbers in the game:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2042370718

That's from simmed games though.... but I doubt things are that different in regular gameplay for this specific case....... haha.






One thing I'd also add is that I think partly the reason why the game doesn't *have* to give exceptionally high Power ratings to those who hit for high averages but still produce 30/40+ HRs or so as well, is that those types of hitters probably are compensating between power and contact approach to some degree... meaning they choose to hit for very high average by not going for fence all the time (reduced power).

[Cavicchi]

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I still don't get why Harper should have higher power rating than Trout, 78-72 vs RHP.

[franch1se]

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that top rated closer list on the first page is wrong. Its missing Huston Street who is a 90 overall

[3fiddy]

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I still don't get why Harper should have higher power rating than Trout, 78-72 vs RHP.

No one knows what trout will do next. I hope he goes 50/50 club next year I make my peace with swing plane. Pujols will never hit 50 with that even swing plane Adam dunn will not make enough contact to hit 50. Uppercut swing gives a smaller timing window for peak results. Even swing gives a better chance for contact without peak power. Trout seems to be a man among boys and break the mold. So the ratings guy chose the contact path. I agree awesome power but he can't be 99 everywhere lol This works for me unless he comes out mashing homers then it should be bumped up. Otherwise I think it play good. Wish I knew how to calculate power too I research splits all of January preparing for draft. And sometimes you jus gotta watch the guy.

[Cavicchi]

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No one knows what trout will do next. I hope he goes 50/50 club next year I make my peace with swing plane. Pujols will never hit 50 with that even swing plane Adam dunn will not make enough contact to hit 50. Uppercut swing gives a smaller timing window for peak results. Even swing gives a better chance for contact without peak power. Trout seems to be a man among boys and break the mold. So the ratings guy chose the contact path. I agree awesome power but he can't be 99 everywhere lol This works for me unless he comes out mashing homers then it should be bumped up. Otherwise I think it play good. Wish I knew how to calculate power too I research splits all of January preparing for draft. And sometimes you jus gotta watch the guy.

You know what, no one knows what Harper will do next. The one thing we do know is what these two did last year. Based on last year, why is Harper rated higher for power against RHP??? Harper is 78 and Trout is 72. Slg % belongs to Trout. Let me put it in a more meaningful term, how does this game justify the rating difference?

[MrOldboy]

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You know what, no one knows what Harper will do next. The one thing we do know is what these two did last year. Based on last year, why is Harper rated higher for power against RHP??? Harper is 78 and Trout is 72. Slg % belongs to Trout. Let me put it in a more meaningful term, how does this game justify the rating difference?

What has become apparent is that its not cut and dry how SCEA rates players. It feels arbitrary in spots. Trout had a higher AB/HR and the same HR/H ratio as Harper against RHP. So by a lot of arguments in this thread Trout should have been slightly higher than Harper in power vs RHP.

If Harper's power shows up and his AB/HR jumps to 15 early in the year than re-rate him higher, but rating a player based off of feel, or scouting reports doesn't seem like the way to go.

Its just no clear how the player's are rated and they do matter, especially for online play.

[3fiddy]

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You know what, no one knows what Harper will do next. The one thing we do know is what these two did last year. Based on last year, why is Harper rated higher for power against RHP??? Harper is 78 and Trout is 72. Slg % belongs to Trout. Let me put it in a more meaningful term, how does this game justify the rating difference?

I'm no help their. Hopefully the guys who do the rosters for us chime in.

[sink4ever]

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I still don't get why Harper should have higher power rating than Trout, 78-72 vs RHP.

Life's full of mysteries, ain't it?

[Cavicchi]

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What has become apparent is that its not cut and dry how SCEA rates players. It feels arbitrary in spots. Trout had a higher AB/HR and the same HR/H ratio as Harper against RHP. So by a lot of arguments in this thread Trout should have been slightly higher than Harper in power vs RHP.

If Harper's power shows up and his AB/HR jumps to 15 early in the year than re-rate him higher, but rating a player based off of feel, or scouting reports doesn't seem like the way to go.

Its just no clear how the player's are rated and they do matter, especially for online play.

I believe it will affect more than online play. I think it will make a difference in franchise mode as well.

[nomo17k]

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You know what, no one knows what Harper will do next. The one thing we do know is what these two did last year. Based on last year, why is Harper rated higher for power against RHP??? Harper is 78 and Trout is 72. Slg % belongs to Trout. Let me put it in a more meaningful term, how does this game justify the rating difference?

Perhaps Harper is rated slightly higher than Trout in Power because of their minor league stats. SCEA could use minor league stats for those players with limited service time in majors. Down in minors, Trout was obviously an all-round great player, but Harper produced HRs at a higher rate (13.5% of hits were HRs for Harper, just 6.0% for Trout).

Again, Trout seems to be one of those guys who is a classic all round player, but doesn't necessarily go for fence when he doesn't need to. He's still young, so who knows what sort of player he evolves into (he can choose to sacrifice some sureness to produce more HRs, for example), but at the moment he's a type of player who generates enough power to hit a decent amount of HRs, but not at a pace of elite power hitters...... and that's probably why he is such a promising player, knowing that HRs are not the only aspect of the game.


I just watched Trout's 2012 highlights and oh my goodness the guys is so good..... hahhaahaha....

[Cavicchi]

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Perhaps Harper is rated slightly higher than Trout in Power because of their minor league stats. SCEA could use minor league stats for those players with limited service time in majors. Down in minors, Trout was obviously an all-round great player, but Harper produced HRs at a higher rate (13.5% of hits were HRs for Harper, just 6.0% for Trout).

Again, Trout seems to be one of those guys who is a classic all round player, but doesn't necessarily go for fence when he doesn't need to. He's still young, so who knows what sort of player he evolves into (he can choose to sacrifice some sureness to produce more HRs, for example), but at the moment he's a type of player who generates enough power to hit a decent amount of HRs, but not at a pace of elite power hitters...... and that's probably why he is such a promising player, knowing that HRs are not the only aspect of the game.


I just watched Trout's 2012 highlights and oh my goodness the guys is so good..... hahhaahaha....

Why would they use minor league stats when they have major league stats to use?

Trout hit more home runs than Harper, so I don't get your point there.

[ParisB]

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Perhaps Harper is rated slightly higher than Trout in Power because of their minor league stats. SCEA could use minor league stats for those players with limited service time in majors. Down in minors, Trout was obviously an all-round great player, but Harper produced HRs at a higher rate (13.5% of hits were HRs for Harper, just 6.0% for Trout).

Again, Trout seems to be one of those guys who is a classic all round player, but doesn't necessarily go for fence when he doesn't need to. He's still young, so who knows what sort of player he evolves into (he can choose to sacrifice some sureness to produce more HRs, for example), but at the moment he's a type of player who generates enough power to hit a decent amount of HRs, but not at a pace of elite power hitters...... and that's probably why he is such a promising player, knowing that HRs are not the only aspect of the game.


I just watched Trout's 2012 highlights and oh my goodness the guys is so good..... hahhaahaha....

I'm convinced Trout hits the ball harder though. Most of his home runs are a product of him using his quick compact swing of just mashing the ball around the field and they just carry over the fence because he's a good hitter. He knows he has a chance of creating a single (and then a steal), or double or triple or a walk at a much higher rate, but when he's up there with a home run mentality he has absolutely crushed balls. They're not big bloopers but they just leave the yard the way mike piazza used to...even his singles just carry like they have some kind of top spin. He's crazy, and unless people watch him they miss out on how special he is.

[3fiddy]

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I hope this helps man Harper had 100 hits vs rhp. Trout had 143 vs rhp. So harper had roughly 2/3 of the hits but was tied with trout for 2bs and 3bs +\- 1. Harper 20 2b vs rhp 5 triples vs rhp 16 hrs vs rhp. Trout 19 2bs vs rhp 6 3bs vsrhp 23 hrs vs rhp. Those facts are for you Cavicchi. If they tied in hits Harper would have more doubles triples and same homers. Harper doesn't have near the contact of Trout so to get a guy with near the same totals as trout but hit .270 he has to have a slight edge in power. Better contact and better power would not get you these results.

Trout hit a homer in that angels ranger vid. It's gonna be all good.

[Cavicchi]

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I hope this helps man Harper had 100 hits vs rhp. Trout had 143 vs rhp. So harper had roughly 2/3 of the hits but was tied with trout for 2bs and 3bs +\- 1. Harper 20 2b vs rhp 5 triples vs rhp 16 hrs vs rhp. Trout 19 2bs vs rhp 6 3bs vsrhp 23 hrs vs rhp. Those facts are for you Cavicchi. If they tied in hits Harper would have more doubles triples and same homers. Harper doesn't have near the contact of Trout so to get a guy with near the same totals as trout but hit .270 he has to have a slight edge in power. Better contact and better power would not get you these results.

Trout hit a homer in that angels ranger vid. It's gonna be all good.

Look, Slg % tells me more than what you say above. Trout had a higher Slg % and higher OPS against RHP than Harper, and that to me is the bottom line.

[Cavicchi]

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2012 Top 5 rated players for Slugging:

1. Giancarlo Stanton

2. Miguel Cabrera

3. Ryan Braun

4. Josh Hamilton

5. Mike Trout

Where is Harper? Harper is 45th!