2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[JDub0820]

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Seeing as the Phillies are 8 games back of the WC nearing the trade deadline, would Ryan Howard be obtainable as the Rays and would Chris Archer alone be enough for Howard? Also he is having a pretty good season .286 17 hrs so far.

Personally I feel your giving up too much for Howard there. Not sure his in game salary but that would be a huge question. Where are you standing? Is Howard gonna give you a huge push? Granted if he is gonna really bolster your team maybe it is worth it???? I like Archer tho, maybe more than some. Also as far as realism not sure Howard would be available in that situation.

A little something I'd like to run by you guys. Since I still think Story is my best tradable asset, I quickly ran through the other teams and I think Minnesota might be the best place for him. Florimon surely doesn't look like a long-term solution at SS, and they don't seem to have anyone noteworthy in line for the future. (Their best prospect according to MLB.com is Danny Santana, a C potential, 59 overall player).

Any piece(s) (as good value as Story) I could get from the Twins, that I could then trade back to Seattle (that would be a better fit for them then Story) for the package I mentioned earlier (Maurer, Capps and Smoak) ?

Right now, I'm thinking Oswaldo Arcia (#92 on Top-100). Thought about Aaron Hicks (#97, A Potential), who's ranked just ahead of Story (#98) on MLB's Top-100, but since he's starting at CF for the Twins, I doubt that would be fair.

Twins would get their SS, while still having good young depth in the outfield with Buxton and Hicks. Seattle's outfield looks kinda old (Morse, Guttierez, Ibanez and Bay are all 30 or over), and aside from Guerrero, they don't seem to have a lot of promising depth in the minors, so Arcia is probably a better option for them than Story would've been. Thing is, Arcia is only a B-Potential in the game, while Story is an A.

Should/Could I get more pieces back, or is Arcia already more than enough ? Thought (1B) Kenny Vargas (B-Potential, good power, but not on the Twins' Top-20 it looks like) might be another good player to grab in that deal, which could then be used again in the Seattle trade to replace Smoak eventually at first base.

I like where your going with this....would have to look at organizations closer but I do think Story would be a good fit in Minn, and they actually have a few decent OF prospects in their system. Just not sure how those OF prospects fit in Sea cause don't know their system well enough. IMHO though, a three team trade may be a viable option here.

[Totte]

Seeing as the Phillies are 8 games back of the WC nearing the trade deadline, would Ryan Howard be obtainable as the Rays and would Chris Archer alone be enough for Howard? Also he is having a pretty good season .286 17 hrs so far.

Archer is worth so much more than Howard. I could see someone like Tim Beckham (B prospect I think), being a fit for the Phillies position wise. It's still a bit of an overpay but since you have Lee at SS for the future, Beckham is expendable.

Another option would be something like S-Rod and Brandon Gomes for Howard. That'll give the Phillies a backup for both Rollins and Utley while getting an extra bullpen arm

[C_Shearman]

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hey guys, I was reading the comments section on mlbtr.com on one of the Stanton trade rumors post. Much like this thread usually people are laying trade scenarios out for their favorite teams. There was one comment I liked alot and I'm thinking about duplicating it in my franchise, I have 30 team control on, but my manual profile on the Cardinals and Royals, CPU profiile on everyone else.
It was Miami deals Stanton and Polanco and maybe Nolasco to Texas for Profar, Olt, a top prospect pitcher, and xxx position player.
Then Miami flips Profar to STL for Adams, and a pitcher such as Martinez, Kelly, or Rosenthal.
I like this trade alot, Texas competes, Miami rebuilds, then Cardinals get rid of blocked players and add a SS. Miami can then play Adams everyday and put Morrison in LF again. (slightly unrealistic due to Morrisons knees)
I'm looking to add a SS for the future, I was also looking at Story but i think his offense would be too much, the cardinals usually value defensive SS more, so that also turned my head towards Seattles Chris Taylor, defensive SS B pot. Seattle also has what seems like an overflow of prospect SS.
any thoughts?

I think Miami would want A LOT more than a 1B and a good pitching prospect. Profar is a future star. May take Wacha + Adams + Rosenthal

[JDub0820]

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Archer is worth so much more than Howard. I could see someone like Tim Beckham (B prospect I think), being a fit for the Phillies position wise. It's still a bit of an overpay but since you have Lee at SS for the future, Beckham is expendable.

Another option would be something like S-Rod and Brandon Gomes for Howard. That'll give the Phillies a backup for both Rollins and Utley while getting an extra bullpen arm

I am not trying to start an argument, this is meant only for my own inquiries.....like I said I like Archer so in a sense I am only playing devils advocate here.
IMHO tho, this is where things can get hazy when dealing with values, especially that of a prospect and an aging veteran. If Archer doesn't develop to be more than a relief arm as some say may happen and thats the view of the Rays, then a deal like this could realistically happen. Albeit, he didn't mention his current standings, but if there is a potential playoff hope Rays could realistically overpay for Howard who seems to be putting up decent numbers. That said, there are a ton of "ifs" in that entire argument. Just my 2 cents.

[AC]

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With Howard's salary/age/position/skillset, I don't think he's worth a guy with a reliever *floor*.

[KomicJ]

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I like where your going with this....would have to look at organizations closer but I do think Story would be a good fit in Minn, and they actually have a few decent OF prospects in their system. Just not sure how those OF prospects fit in Sea cause don't know their system well enough. IMHO though, a three team trade may be a viable option here.

Well, right now the Mariners have Guttierrez at CF (decent starter, but only played 132 games in the last two seasons), Saunders at RF (nice) and Morse at LF (lots of power, but could probably be better suited as DH).

Back-ups: E.Thames and E.Chavez (both of them being bat coming of the bench more than possible everyday starters in my opinion), R.Ibanez (clutch, but getting older and older) and J.Bay (not the player he used to be).

Minors: Julio Morban (ranked #14 on organisation top prospect list) and Carlos Peguero both had a good start this season, hitting for average, but I'm pretty sure they're low-rated (and C potential) in the game, and aren't ranked as high as Arcia, who's cracking the Top-100. If I remember correctly, Gabriel Guerrero (a prospect I'm very intrigued by) was the only B-potential outfielder they had in the system. All the others were C or lower.

[Sacrafice]

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A little something I'd like to run by you guys. Since I still think Story is my best tradable asset, I quickly ran through the other teams and I think Minnesota might be the best place for him. Florimon surely doesn't look like a long-term solution at SS, and they don't seem to have anyone noteworthy in line for the future. (Their best prospect according to MLB.com is Danny Santana, a C potential, 59 overall player).

Any piece(s) (as good value as Story) I could get from the Twins, that I could then trade back to Seattle (that would be a better fit for them then Story) for the package I mentioned earlier (Maurer, Capps and Smoak) ?

Right now, I'm thinking Oswaldo Arcia (#92 on Top-100). Thought about Aaron Hicks (#97, A Potential), who's ranked just ahead of Story (#98) on MLB's Top-100, but since he's starting at CF for the Twins, I doubt that would be logic/fair.

Twins would get their SS, while still having good young depth in the outfield with Buxton and Hicks. Seattle's outfield looks kinda old (Morse, Guttierez, Ibanez and Bay are all 30 or over), and aside from Guerrero, they don't seem to have a lot of promising depth in the minors, so Arcia is probably a better option for them than Story would've been. Thing is, Arcia is only a B-Potential in the game, while Story is an A.

Should/Could I get more pieces back, or is Arcia already more than enough ? Thought Kenny Vargas (B-Potential, good power, but not on the Twins' Top-20 it looks like) might be another good player to grab in that deal, which could then again be used in the Seattle trade afterwards to replace Smoak eventually at first base.

I play as Seattle, but I am not a very good evaluator of trades, but I have been reading this trade with interest since it involves a team I play as and like what you are trying to do.

Seattle don't have a good OF player really. Gutierrez is good, but Id rather see him in LF and Saunders is decent in RF. They don't have anyone better in the minors according to the rosters, but rather guys that could just get the job done if needed.

What you are asking for is great in game, but not so much in RL from what I see. Also you are taking 2 guys that Seattle just don't need and would rather ship out in Maurer and Smoak. They have too many SPer's 24 and under and Smoak can give Morse a better spot at DH and unlock the log jam at C for next year.

All I would say is make sure you give them someone in either LF or CF that could step in this year so they could move Morse to DH as you are getting 3 guys you could use this year if you wanted to.

Don't forget Smoak is an A in this game so I would say you would be getting the better end of any realistic deal made as Smoak for a C only is a rip off in the games world and ultimately that's where the trade is taking place. Saying that I don't expcet anyone to go out and trade a Bubba Starling or anything like that. Just someone they could use now would make it more appealing in my opinion.

[WildPotato]

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I'm currently at the start of July with my Mariners franchise and I'm looking for an outfielder to spell a struggling Saunders against lefties. I want to remain young and I really have my eye on Dayan Viciedo. On the spreadsheet he's listed as a high C. I don't really know what prospect the White Sox would want. My highest C is 22 yr SP Anthony Fernandez (74 ovr). Does this sound okay?

Dayan is currently batting .190 with 6 hr in 147 ab. He was injured for about 2 months near the start of the season.

I'm getting closer to the deadline and I didn't really get any feedback on this post, so again, does this deal sound okay or should i give them a more major league level player valued at a high C?

[KomicJ]

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I play as Seattle, but I am not a very good evaluator of trades, but I have been reading this trade with interest since it involves a team I play as and like what you are trying to do.

Seattle don't have a good OF player really. Gutierrez is good, but Id rather see him in LF and Saunders is decent in RF. They don't have anyone better in the minors according to the rosters, but rather guys that could just get the job done if needed.

What you are asking for is great in game, but not so much in RL from what I see. Also you are taking 2 guys that Seattle just don't need and would rather ship out in Maurer and Smoak. They have too many SPer's 24 and under and Smoak can give Morse a better spot at DH and unlock the log jam at C for next year.

All I would say is make sure you give them someone in either LF or CF that could step in this year so they could move Morse to DH as you are getting 3 guys you could use this year if you wanted to.

Don't forget Smoak is an A in this game so I would say you would be getting the better end of any realistic deal made as Smoak for a C only is a rip off in the games world and ultimately that's where the trade is taking place. Saying that I don't expcet anyone to go out and trade a Bubba Starling or anything like that. Just someone they could use now would make it more appealing in my opinion.

Nice feedback ! I know this isn't the OS Arbitration Panel, but can't go wrong with someone who's actually GMing the Mariners...

Not sure the Rockies could provide an immediate upgrade in the OF though. We could move Cuddyer eventually, but don't really have anyone to replace him as an everyday starter yet (Dahl, Colvin, Wheeler, Ortega, Dickerson and Yan aren't ready for a gig in the big league yet), and we value Young too much as a hitter/runner off the bench. That pretty much only leaves Charlie Blackmon as possibility...not sure he would be an upgrade over what you already have (Thames, Chavez, Ibanez, Bay).

Say I could get my hands on both Arcia and Vargas from Minnesota...would that be a base for a package you would be interested in ? Both are B-prospect, with decent pop, and Arcia might be a good option for your outfield in the near future.

Since you mentioned there's kind of a jam at SP, what would you add to the deal ?

Seattle gets: (1B) Lenny Vargas, (OF) Oswaldo Arcia and... ?
Coloraod gets: (SP) Brandon Maurer, (CP) Carter Capps and (1B) Justin Smoak.

And footnote: What's your take on Gabriel Guerrero ? Don't know how advanced you are in your season, but does he look like someone who could develop nicely ?

[JDub0820]

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With Howard's salary/age/position/skillset, I don't think he's worth a guy with a reliever *floor*.

Just to cover my butt, I did say I wasn't sure of Howards salary in my first response and that would play a huge part. I just didn't bring that back up in second response....but for sure that would still play a huge role. Other points are obvious to me as well but I as an owner if a power hitting lefty is what I felt I need to make playoffs I still think I would be willing to work it out. Not saying straight up but as a base for sure. Just my opinions tho.

[C_Shearman]

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I have a franchise with the New York Yankees. I lost in the ALCS to LAA in the first yr. I'm now in my first off season and my large salary cap has been kind to me. I have put ARod, VWells, Ichiro, HKuroda and Youkilis on waivers to become younger and loosen up more salary.

I have signed Jon Lester, Tim Lincecum, Kendrys Morales, Stephen Drew, and Rafael Betancourt. I traded for Salvador Perez, Andrew Cashner and Kelvin Herrera. I also resigned Cano (4 yrs) and Granderson (1 yr)

My problem is... I need a 3B. I have nobody coming up that is good and there are no FA. I'm looking for a guy under 30 with good power... any ideas?
If I have to, I'm willing to trade just about anyone...

I should mention Manny Banuelos, Gary Sanchez and Jose Campos have been traded.

[hradekbr]

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I'm getting closer to the deadline and I didn't really get any feedback on this post, so again, does this deal sound okay or should i give them a more major league level player valued at a high C?

If the White Sox aren't in the playoff race I'd say a low B should do

[Sacrafice]

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Nice feedback ! I know this isn't the OS Arbitration Panel, but can't go wrong with someone who's actually GMing the Mariners...

Not sure the Rockies could provide an immediate upgrade in the OF though. We could move Cuddyer eventually, but don't really have anyone to replace him as an everyday starter yet (Dahl, Colvin, Wheeler, Ortega, Dickerson and Yan aren't ready for a gig in the big league yet), and we value Young too much as a hitter/runner off the bench. That pretty much only leaves Charlie Blackmon as possibility...not sure he would be an upgrade over what you already have (Thames, Chavez, Ibanez, Bay).

Say I could get my hands on both Arcia and Vargas from Minnesota...would that be a base for a package you would be interested in ? Both are B-prospect, with decent pop, and Arcia might be a good option for your outfield in the near future.

Since you mentioned there's kind of a jam at SP, what would you add to the deal ?

Seattle gets: (1B) Lenny Vargas, (OF) Oswaldo Arcia and... ?
Coloraod gets: (SP) Brandon Maurer, (CP) Carter Capps and (1B) Justin Smoak.

And footnote: What's your take on Gabriel Guerrero ? Don't know how advanced you are in your season, but does he look like someone who could develop nicely ?

For me a 1B to replace Morales in a couple years and a nice OF would be what I would want out of the deal so this 3 team deal looks good in my eyes and is what the team truly needs outside of BP stuff, but what team outside of maybe Atlanta don't want BP arms? lol. Before you brought in the Twins a 3 team deal is what I thought of in my head when everyone was talking about the surplus of MIFer guys for Seattle. Not only the guys that were mentioned they have even more guys sitting there that could at least make a ML team in the games world.

I can't really add to what else if anything would be needed as I said I am not a good evaluator of talent and trades so others would have to fill in those gaps. If I had to I guess maybe a nice backup either at OF or C, but neither would be needed this year and from the Vibe I get from everyone that has mentioned anything to you just another C would do er if you even had to give up another player to complete it realistically and that falls into some sort of a backup guy that if anything can get Seattle a bit younger than Schoppach or Thames or Chavez or Ibanez.

Potential wise you would get a A, B & Capps is a B? They would get 2 B's and a C where your A is valued at a C so...

I'm not saying a ML ready OF would be a must. I just think it would make the deal more appealing if they got a young prospect that would be ready to at least contribute maybe not this year, but next year as they still do have Ibanez, Thames or Chavez to use and Bay is not terrible defensively in game to play LF. Along with getting the better end of the deal in the game world I would think it would just make it a little more realistic in game as well as why this threads here to be realistic in RL as well.

I can't get to my game, but I thought Julio Morban was the only B prospect OF Seattle had in the minors? He is the only guy I saw that is close to what I am looking for in my OF, but not quite going to be good enough for what I personally want. I don't recall even seeing Gabriel Guerrero to be honest and I feel ashamed I don't even know all the guys in my minors right now :'(. I am only 23 games into my season and have spent a lot of time studying who I have so to have a guy slip through my grasp especially playing a position of need is embarrassing to say the least. There was only 2 guys I saw that I would consider for my ML team so maybe he is that other guy lol...

[WildPotato]

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Nice feedback ! I know this isn't the OS Arbitration Panel, but can't go wrong with someone who's actually GMing the Mariners...

Not sure the Rockies could provide an immediate upgrade in the OF though. We could move Cuddyer eventually, but don't really have anyone to replace him as an everyday starter yet (Dahl, Colvin, Wheeler, Ortega, Dickerson and Yan aren't ready for a gig in the big league yet), and we value Young too much as a hitter/runner off the bench. That pretty much only leaves Charlie Blackmon as possibility...not sure he would be an upgrade over what you already have (Thames, Chavez, Ibanez, Bay).

Say I could get my hands on both Arcia and Vargas from Minnesota...would that be a base for a package you would be interested in ? Both are B-prospect, with decent pop, and Arcia might be a good option for your outfield in the near future.

Since you mentioned there's kind of a jam at SP, what would you add to the deal ?

Seattle gets: (1B) Lenny Vargas, (OF) Oswaldo Arcia and... ?
Coloraod gets: (SP) Brandon Maurer, (CP) Carter Capps and (1B) Justin Smoak.

And footnote: What's your take on Gabriel Guerrero ? Don't know how advanced you are in your season, but does he look like someone who could develop nicely ?

I'm also using the Mariners and Guerrero to me seems like a borderline starter or someone really good for a platoon role. He is only 19 so he has a lot of room for growth and development and appears to have a future in providing some good pop and a decent arm in the outfield.

[seanjeezy]

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The problem with Morban is staying healthy, if he can bite the injury bug then he's at least an average major leaguer with the potential to be above average. Guerrero is a potential star, every new report I hear is better than the last, he just needs to work his way up. Here's a recent report from Baseball Prospectus:

OF Gabriel Guerrero (Mariners): Huge “it” factor; young Vlad physical comps are valid; long, lanky; high waist; will have major-league body/strength; old-school; no batting gloves; dirt on the hands; swing setup and mechanics similar to his uncle (Vlad); noisy in pre-swing; very loose; hands finish in great position (low); bat speed is crazy fast; makes hard contact and can drive the ball; batting practice displays shows off raw power; ball explodes off of bat; 7 raw; aggressive approach; likes to swing; will expand and chase; well above average hand-eye coordination allows him to make contact on balls he shouldn’t touch; very reactionary hitter; see ball/hit ball; easy to dream on both hit/power tools; could be 6/6 or 7/7 type at peak; fringe run at present; arm strength is solid; arm grade plays lower at present because of mechanics; doesn’t get behind the throws yet; corner profile; bat has impact potential; could be ready to explode; was most electric lower-level hitter I saw in camp; has uncommon bat speed and impressive present pop.

Morban is an 83 potential and Guerrero is an 87 btw.

Anyway, as far as Seattle's needs go, we're looking to trade prospects not acquire them. There's logjams at every level.