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  • WaitTilNextYear
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    • Mar 2013
    • 16830

    #6496
    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by ACMilan99
    I'll bump this to include four other players I am now willing to deal:

    One, Melky Cabrera. 177 wRC+. You read that right. .345 OBP with a .138 ISO leading to a .351 wOBA with 3.47 BatRuns. He's been my best hitter. Dunno if I want to deal him but I'm open to it.

    Your call, but I don't see this as realistic after just signing him. Those numbers might raise some questions for Melky...

    Huge question:

    If the Cardinals were out of it and punting the year by playing their rookies (Wong at 2nd, Taveras in CF, etc), and Yadi was playing well (164 wRC+, but only a .313 OBP and .200 ISO), would they consider dealing him realistically? As you guys can see I know absolutely nothing about realism in the NL.

    Absolutely, categorically, no way in hell they trade Yadi.

    Padres are .500 and I doubt they'd consider dealing Grandal... Detroit poses an interesting option. They have no closer and I have bullpen depth, Alex Avila has a 109 wRC+ and Rick Porcello is playing pretty badly which could be a nice couple buy lows.

    Borderline availability--you'd have to overpay.

    Jason Castro is benched but playing well in 42 ABs, that could be really interesting.

    Hope he hits better for you than me, lol.


    Rob Brantly is a dark horse for me that I would really like to get. Obviously no one's out of the picture on the Marlins and they're playing Miguel Olivo over him (**** off Loria) and I could really be hyped about going after him. 23 and really solid.

    I don't think they give up Brantly so soon--he's not expensive enough yet.

    The Nats have Suzuki and Ramos suuuuucking.

    Haha, you told me Ramos was a non-starter, lol.

    And that's about it for catchers. I would obviously still love Lucroy, but I'm starting to really love Brantly as an option and Castro would be cool too.

    Thoughts?

    Lucroy is a fine target. Don't bank on what only Brewer fans say. Your earlier deal looked good. If you do JPA + Nay + Jeffress/Drabek + Lind for Lucroy + K-Rod/Weeks, that's fine imo.

    The Astros really like Castro, but I could see him being moved. Avila possibly too.
    Responses in bold.
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    • AC
      Win the East
      • Sep 2010
      • 14951

      #6497
      Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by DaBull_33
      Well that narrows it down. Lol.

      The more I think about it, the more JPA seems like the perfect Loria player. Just good enough to tempt the fans, but not really a player you could build around. But, still a decent enough trade chip when it's time to clean house again.

      I like it, personally.
      Is everything clear here realism-wise? Lugo + Arencibia for Brantly? Keep in mind that the Marlins haven't drafted Moran yet as I'm around May 4 and my mock for my chise may have them taking Shipley or Kaminsky.
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      • AC
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        • Sep 2010
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        #6498
        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
        Responses in bold.
        I'm narrowing it down between...

        JPA + Lugo + Drabek for Lucroy + K-Rod

        JPA + Nay + Jeffress for Lucroy + K-Rod

        JPA + Lugo for Brantly

        Looking for the best combo of fairness and realism here. I'm just not SURE on Lucroy, I don't have that "AC's 100% realism badge of approval" feeling about him. Brantly, I gotta say I do if JPA was going back. Think about it, they get a great 3B prospect in Lugo and the PERFECT Loria guy - JPA is Cuban, he was born in Miami, he hits lots of dingers and he's young. It makes a lot of sense.
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        • CameRoN0407
          It's a New England Thing
          • Oct 2012
          • 3328

          #6499
          Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by ACMilan99
          I'm narrowing it down between...

          JPA + Lugo + Drabek for Lucroy + K-Rod

          JPA + Nay + Jeffress for Lucroy + K-Rod

          JPA + Lugo for Brantly

          Looking for the best combo of fairness and realism here. I'm just not SURE on Lucroy, I don't have that "AC's 100% realism badge of approval" feeling about him. Brantly, I gotta say I do if JPA was going back. Think about it, they get a great 3B prospect in Lugo and the PERFECT Loria guy - JPA is Cuban, he was born in Miami, he hits lots of dingers and he's young. It makes a lot of sense.
          I like the Brantly trade. I does make sense because of basically everything you say about JPA. Probably would be an instant fan favorite over there. They also get back a legit 3B prospect in which they had, but lost in the Lee trade (Domiguez). Makes alot of sense.
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          • DaBull_33
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            • Mar 2013
            • 601

            #6500
            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by ACMilan99
            I'm narrowing it down between...

            JPA + Lugo + Drabek for Lucroy + K-Rod

            JPA + Nay + Jeffress for Lucroy + K-Rod

            JPA + Lugo for Brantly

            Looking for the best combo of fairness and realism here. I'm just not SURE on Lucroy, I don't have that "AC's 100% realism badge of approval" feeling about him. Brantly, I gotta say I do if JPA was going back. Think about it, they get a great 3B prospect in Lugo and the PERFECT Loria guy - JPA is Cuban, he was born in Miami, he hits lots of dingers and he's young. It makes a lot of sense.
            I've gotta say, the Miami deal is probably the most realistic of them all. Seeing as this is an early season trade, I don't see a lot of these guys going anywhere until the deadline, if at all.

            You already said that the Marlins are starting Olivo over Brantly (though I do know that you've got 30 team control, and could change that), and JP fits the mold of a typical Loria guy.

            Plus, Lugo gives them something to look forward to at third base.

            I say go for it.
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            • AC
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              • Sep 2010
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              #6501
              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

              I'm definitely going to sleep on this, because God knows what's wrong with my mind at 12:30 AM, but I do think this is solid and I'll report back in the morning if I do make this trade.
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              • WaitTilNextYear
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                • Mar 2013
                • 16830

                #6502
                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by ACMilan99
                I'm narrowing it down between...

                JPA + Lugo + Drabek for Lucroy + K-Rod

                JPA + Nay + Jeffress for Lucroy + K-Rod

                JPA + Lugo for Brantly
                I just don't see Brantly as a realistic target at all. They just got him in-season last year and he's not arb eligible until 2016. I'm not really sure why people like that one. If he's not expensive or about to be, the Marlins have no reason to trade their starting catcher unless it's to package salary with him. You'd have a better time getting Mathis.

                Personally, I like the middle deal best.
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                • ubernoob
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                  • Jul 2004
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                  #6503
                  Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                  I just don't see Brantly as a realistic target at all. They just got him in-season last year and he's not arb eligible until 2016. I'm not really sure why people like that one. If he's not expensive or about to be, the Marlins have no reason to trade their starting catcher unless it's to package salary with him. You'd have a better time getting Mathis.

                  Personally, I like the middle deal best.
                  In all reality Lucroy isn't going anywhere. It isn't because he's a "fan favorite" either.
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                  • rjackson
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 1661

                    #6504
                    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                    JPA could be a good Loria sell and an improvement over Brantly, right? He's not arb eleigible but they get a good building piece to make up for that. I would suggest throwing in a fringe arm to feel better about it and it seems pretty solid to me.

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                    • G3no_11
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                      • Oct 2012
                      • 1110

                      #6505
                      Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                      If you are going for 100% realism which I think you are. I think you should toss out the Lucroy deal to be on the safe side. I think you should also do the same with the Brantly deal.

                      No way Yadier gets traded.

                      Alex Avila.. maybe.

                      I think you should look into:
                      Kurt Suzuki - depending on how well the Nationals are doing, I think this would be a realistic option.

                      AJ Ellis - This seems like it could work. It wouldn't surprise me for the Dodgers to pull a deal off that would get them a somewhat big name catcher with power. Maybe you could even get a Mark Ellis, Punto, or Schumaker out of the deal to play 2B for you.

                      I think Jason Castro isn't too far out of the question.

                      Not sure about this one, but Ryan Hannigan? Depending on stats/standings I think it could work and JP could rake in Cinci.
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                      • rjackson
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                        • Apr 2005
                        • 1661

                        #6506
                        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by ACMilan99
                        Pittsburgh getting ROBBED up in here. Alvarez covers Reddick by himself, and James Taillon is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more valuable than Doolittle + Lowrie.
                        Yeah, I know. But I needed to overpay to make it feel okay. I know that Billy B. would have wanted to jump on it, though, but not sure that he could feel like he's still competing this year or my team would be too good or something else just isn't sitting right with it though. I'm not liking any other options out there. I'll give Pedro a chance to heat up like IRL I suppose, but I'm risking losing value for him based on performance. I actually like Doolittle better than Cook--in theory I could use one more southpaw reliever but I think splits would better with him than Cook in my game.

                        I like Taillon for Story, though. It helps me in a year or two at a position of need. I don't do well with RHP FB-CB types and have a lot of depth at SP so I can easily let him go. COL always needs pitchers but they prefer sliders as well so I'm still not sure...G3no, you out there? I was thinking of keeping Taillon in case I'm a buyer though as well. Unlike Amaro, I like to plan ahead.
                        Last edited by rjackson; 06-23-2013, 01:14 AM.

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                        • DoTheLongo
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                          • May 2012
                          • 70

                          #6507
                          Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                          I'm playing with the Tampa Bay Rays and i'm not a fan of Jose Molina and would like to get another starting caliber catcher. I don't mind Lobaton but he is more of bench catcher. What trades could land me a solid catcher?

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                          • rjackson
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 1661

                            #6508
                            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                            Where are you at in your franchise? Who is officially out of it? Otherwise, AC has been looking at this for a page or two if you want to read back a little.

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                            • WaitTilNextYear
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                              • Mar 2013
                              • 16830

                              #6509
                              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by G3no_11
                              If you are going for 100% realism which I think you are. I think you should toss out the Lucroy deal to be on the safe side. I think you should also do the same with the Brantly deal.
                              Probably wise. It seems people are questioning the realism of getting Lucroy or Brantly, which is fair.
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                              • WaitTilNextYear
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                                • Mar 2013
                                • 16830

                                #6510
                                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by rjackson
                                JPA could be a good Loria sell and an improvement over Brantly, right? He's not arb eleigible but they get a good building piece to make up for that. I would suggest throwing in a fringe arm to feel better about it and it seems pretty solid to me.
                                I'm not sure JP Arencibia is an upgrade at all. Plus, he 2 years closer to arbitration, and that really matters to a team like Miami.
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