2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[G3no_11]

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To go along with this I'd like to point out how accurate the spreadsheet was on Nolasco. Spreadsheet says Low B (Josh Wall) and High C (Angel Sanchez). Was only missing another C in Ames.

And the "extra" C that was thrown in the deal was probably just situational to the starting pitching market. There were quite a few teams competing to get Nolasco so obviously there was going to be a little bit of an over pay.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Huzzah for the spreadsheet! Love it when that happens. Also, Garza is 2 high B's and there was a rumor about the Cubs wanting Schoop (mid B + low B) and E. Rodriguez (low C) from Baltimore. I think that says Eduardo Rodriguez is undervalued--probably should be a high C/low B, but, again, pretty close.

Might I add that I sent Nolasco to the Dodgers in my 'chise also?

[CKW11]

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Huzzah for the spreadsheet! Love it when that happens. Also, Garza is 2 high B's and there was a rumor about the Cubs wanting Schoop (mid B + low B) and E. Rodriguez (low C) from Baltimore. I think that says Eduardo Rodriguez is undervalued--probably should be a high C/low B, but, again, pretty close.

Might I add that I sent Nolasco to the Dodgers in my 'chise also?

I sent him to the Rockies, I was close lol.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I sent him to the Rockies, I was close lol.

Right division!

[AC]

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Bracing myself to ask this... I think we need a new value for Giancarlo Stanton. *ducks*

His stats around the board are down. He's not getting on base, he's not hitting for power, he isn't hitting line drives, and he's not fielding well anymore either, he's making less contact as well, resulting in .4 fWAR, and he's been injured *again* this year. Is he really worth 3 A's at this point? I'm not so sure.

Then again, I've had a long, tiring day/week/life, and I'm pretty wiped, and it's late, so I may not be thinking straight (not that I ever am ), so any and all opinions are appreciated.

[CameRoN0407]

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Bracing myself to ask this... I think we need a new value for Giancarlo Stanton. *ducks*

His stats around the board are down. He's not getting on base, he's not hitting for power, he isn't hitting line drives, and he's not fielding well anymore either, he's making less contact as well, resulting in .4 fWAR, and he's been injured *again* this year. Is he really worth 3 A's at this point? I'm not so sure.

Then again, I've had a long, tiring day/week/life, and I'm pretty wiped, and it's late, so I may not be thinking straight (not that I ever am ), so any and all opinions are appreciated.

I don't know. It could just be a down year. In game he's doing pretty well. Although I still do think he's doing it on purpose to get traded. He's young and young people have a tendency to do stupid things. I just don't see why he would do this, but if I were of his calibre playing for the team with the worst record for a garunteed 3 more years and openly say I hate the team, I would probably sacrifice a down year to go to a team that actually cares.

My new value on him for now; 1 High/Mid A, 1 Mid A, 2 High B's, 1 mid C.

[nowitsourtime]

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Before I answer AC's post, I'd just like to say to CameRon: Buxton> Sano. Buxton's stock has rose this year. He's really has been the best prospect I've seen during my Twins fanhood (granted it's not that long but...)

Plus, there are questions if Sano can stay at 3B. His bat is more than fine for a corner OF but there's more value at 3B

Bracing myself to ask this... I think we need a tnew value for Giancarlo Stanton. *ducks*

His stats around the board are down. He's not getting on base, he's not hitting for power, he isn't hitting line drives, and he's not fielding well anymore either, he's making less contact as well, resulting in .4 fWAR, and he's been injured *again* this year. Is he really worth 3 A's at this point? I'm not so sure.

Then again, I've had a long, tiring day/week/life, and I'm pretty wiped, and it's late, so I may not be thinking straight (not that I ever am ), so any and all opinions are appreciated.

I think if you say we can throw Lawrie's 2013 out, we can throw Stanton's 2013 out. He also has been injured this year and it's obvious that he is unhappy with the current situation. Still had a 5.7 WAR last year and still is the premier young bat.

Trades I've seen for Stanton here usually involve 2 A's and usually 2 or 3 B's. Probably adds up to 3 A's but I think it's too early to downgrade Stanton's value

[AC]

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I worry more about Stanton's injuries more than Lawrie's injuries just due to length, not to mention Lawrie has had a decline in some slightly luck-based statistics such as BABIP and the such, whereas Stanton is around the league mean and this may just be him regressing towards it, that's what I'm thinking in degrading his value. Any change would obviously only be minor, though.

[jbrsanders13]

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Bracing myself to ask this... I think we need a new value for Giancarlo Stanton. *ducks*

His stats around the board are down. He's not getting on base, he's not hitting for power, he isn't hitting line drives, and he's not fielding well anymore either, he's making less contact as well, resulting in .4 fWAR, and he's been injured *again* this year. Is he really worth 3 A's at this point? I'm not so sure.

Then again, I've had a long, tiring day/week/life, and I'm pretty wiped, and it's late, so I may not be thinking straight (not that I ever am ), so any and all opinions are appreciated.

I agree that Stanton is way overrated on the spreadsheet. I know that he's young and cheap... but throw out 2012 and he's just about a .250 career hitter who strikes out a lot, I know he's got a lot of power but now that he's in his forth year in the big leagues, I think it's time to stop talking about how much potential he has and look at him as more of a guy that will hit 35-40 HR with a .250-.270 average. That's still good but idk if he's really a franchise player.

If you look at the Cabrera deal he was coming off a .320/34/119 year at 24 years old and was packaged with Willis who still had a lot of value because people thought he was just coming off a down year. All the Marlins got in return was imo two mid A'sin Maybin and Miller, maybe a low B in Badenhop and I thought the other three were mid C's. Imo I would value Stanton as a mid A, high B, mid B, high C max but that's just me.

[nowitsourtime]

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In 2011, Stanton hit 34 HR's with 75 RBI's with a .260 avg and around .640 slugging percentage. He's actually lowered his k rate and increased his bb rate so far this year. Obviously SSS but it's encouraging to see him working to become a more patient hitter

I still say Stanton's value shouldn't be majorly altered. He has less guys around him than he did last year and he's miserable in Miami

[WaitTilNextYear]

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My 2 cents is that since Stanton is still rated so highly in the game, the original value is fine. We wouldn't want to lower it to the point that everyone could just go pick him up is my thinking. (Although his little slumping has supressed much of the "what would it take to get Stanton?" so )

[CameRoN0407]

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In 2011, Stanton hit 34 HR's with 75 RBI's with a .260 avg and around .640 slugging percentage. He's actually lowered his k rate and increased his bb rate so far this year. Obviously SSS but it's encouraging to see him working to become a more patient hitter

I still say Stanton's value shouldn't be majorly altered. He has less guys around him than he did last year and he's miserable in Miami

SSS? 43 games is way over SSS. He has 164 ABs and a .240 average. And as of right now, he's costing his team .3 wins. However, his career average WAR (not counting this year) is 4.133, which is well above average. But last year he hit for a 5.5 WAR, which is now hitting Heyward territory. But as AC said, Stanton is lucky people still count BABIP as a legit stat, because that is saving him alot of scrutiny from the sabermetrics community.

His power is great though. That is the first thing I think of when I hear Giancarlo Stanton. His WAR and HR rates have gone down this year, but that is probably gone down because of his "injury". His fielding Erik's me though. He has a career .974 FLD%, so we could see him going to a AL teams as he would make a great DH. I'm still sticking with my current value.

[G3no_11]

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I think it should stay the same. Maybe drop a mid to a low or something like that but nothing too major.

I think it is just showing how much it can hurt a hitter when your team is awful. All teams have to do is pitch around him and they will be fine. You see a lot with even the best hitters.

Then again, I think Stanton is a god because whenever I see him play he is crushing 460 foot bombs out of Coors Field. (Literally 460 foot bombs and literally about every game.)

[CameRoN0407]

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I think it should stay the same. Maybe drop a mid to a low or something like that but nothing too major.

I think it is just showing how much it can hurt a hitter when your team is awful. All teams have to do is pitch around him and they will be fine. You see a lot with even the best hitters.

Then again, I think Stanton is a god because whenever I see him play he is crushing 460 foot bombs out of Coors Field. (Literally 460 foot bombs and literally about every game.)

Well Stanton would be a perfect fit for Colorado. Nice thin Rocky Mountain air would be perfect for him to break a few records while there!

But back to my Montero trade. Who should be sent over to Seattle as compensation? I could send some pitching there as well as infield.

EDIT: To AC, you should change the part where it says: "If you bring up a trade involving Harper/Strasburg/Stanton it will not be well recieved"

Stanton is clearly being talked about! Put in Hernandez or Trout to replace him.

[nowitsourtime]

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SSS? 43 games is way over SSS. He has 164 ABs and a .240 average. And as of right now, he's costing his team .3 wins. However, his career average WAR (not counting this year) is 4.133, which is well above average. But last year he hit for a 5.5 WAR, which is now hitting Heyward territory. But as AC said, Stanton is lucky people still count BABIP as a legit stat, because that is saving him alot of scrutiny from the sabermetrics community.

His power is great though. That is the first thing I think of when I hear Giancarlo Stanton. His WAR and HR rates have gone down this year, but that is probably gone down because of his "injury". His fielding Erik's me though. He has a career .974 FLD%, so we could see him going to a AL teams as he would make a great DH. I'm still sticking with my current value.

So 164 AB's in a year with an injury and a massive team overhaul negates 2.5 years of track record?

Stanton really isn't getting much to hit... He's seeing a career low 37.8% pitches in the zone this year. Last year, he saw 41.6% of pitches in the zone which is a big decrease. And he's increased his walk rate like he should. But he's surrounded by pretty much nothing. There's no reprecussions for walking Stanton because I'd rather face who's behind him. Lower quality pitches+ pressure to make something happen= Lower production at the plate.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ers=0&sort=9,a

By standard fielding metrics, Stanton looks below average but by advanced metrics, he's actually not too bad. 9.1 UZR, which is between Bryce Harper and Ben Zobrist. Yeah, defensive metrics aren't too reliable but I don't think he's as bad as people make him out to be.

I think that it's way too early to seriously downgrade Stanton after about half a year, especially given his circumstances