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  • AC
    Win the East
    • Sep 2010
    • 14951

    #1171
    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by CP3_4MVP
    Okay. Graham, Gilmartin, and Salcedo. I think that's a fair trade. Graham could be a potential #2 starter. Gilmartin could be a potential #3 starter. And Salcedo could be an every day starter at third.
    Yeah, I like it.
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    • big_tone91
      Rookie
      • Oct 2011
      • 86

      #1172
      Originally posted by ACMilan99
      Yeah, I like it.
      Wow now I'm really confused by what you said about the package for Tulo. If a quality SS is the hardest to get right now then a 3rd basemen is second. A package without Tehren or Beachy for Headley (worth 7 wins above replacement last year) is not realistic. Only 1 guy (Graham) even breaks Keith Laws top 100 and barely at that #94. Salcedo is not even one of their top prospects. I understand he's a 3rd basemen but he has never played above high A. Pretty 1 sided trade if you ask me.
      Last edited by big_tone91; 03-31-2013, 08:28 PM.
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      • AC
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        • Sep 2010
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        #1173
        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by big_tone91
        Wow now I'm really confused by what you said about the package for Tulo. If a quality SS is the hardest to get right now then a 3rd basemen is second. A package without Tehren or Beachy for Headley (worth 7 wins above replacement last year) is not realistic.
        Whaaaaaaaa? 3B is like the deepest position there is lol, plus, the positional adjustment scale goes:

        C
        SS
        CF
        2B/3B
        RF/LF
        1B
        DH

        A good 3B is fairly common lol. A good 3B is the 4th hardest thing to find. They're important, yeah, but they're plentiful.

        Also, people need to stop taking WAR out of context lol. It's quite, quite possible this was a career year. Plus, the guy just got injured.
        Last edited by AC; 03-31-2013, 08:28 PM.
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        • nowitsourtime
          Banned
          • Oct 2011
          • 876

          #1174
          Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

          Headley is not a player worth giving up Teheran (#1 prospect in all of baseball on some sites no more than a year ago)

          Headley is a great player but not giving up a prospect like Teheran. Maybe a fringe A but not that kind of A.

          If he can sustain that kind of success I think he will definitely warrant a higher value but he's not on a level like a Longoria, Cabrera, David Wright etc.

          Plus, you can easily make an argument that Tulowitzki is the best SS in the majors when healthy. Headley as the best 3rd baseman, not so much

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          • AC
            Win the East
            • Sep 2010
            • 14951

            #1175
            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by nowitsourtime
            Plus, you can easily make an argument that Tulowitzki is the best SS in the majors when healthy. Headley as the best 3rd baseman, not so much
            There's no question that Tulo's the best SS in the league. There's also no question that Headley isn't the best. There's also no question SS >> 3B lol.

            EDIT: Just gonna end this off with two stats: Headley doubled his ISO and PENTUPLED his HR/FB. That's... really, really, REALLY unsustainable. He'll be good, but a regression candidate. Headley and Tulo, from here on out, shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence lol.
            Last edited by AC; 03-31-2013, 09:43 PM.
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            • CameRoN0407
              It's a New England Thing
              • Oct 2012
              • 3328

              #1176
              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by ACMilan99
              There's no question that Tulo's the best SS in the league. There's also no question that Headley isn't the best. There's also no question SS >> 3B lol.

              EDIT: Just gonna end this off with two stats: Headley doubled his ISO and PENTUPLED his HR/FB. That's... really, really, REALLY unsustainable. He'll be good, but a regression candidate. Headley and Tulo, from here on out, shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence lol.
              He's gonna have some challenge with all these SS prospects (Profar, Bogaerts, etc.)
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              • AC
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                • Sep 2010
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                #1177
                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by CameRoN0407
                He's gonna have some challenge with all these SS prospects (Profar, Bogaerts, etc.)
                If Bogaerts busts, I want a live action video of your head exploding, okay?

                Anywho, Colby Rasmus for one of Brandon Maurer/Nick Franklin/Brad Miler. Fair?
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                • CameRoN0407
                  It's a New England Thing
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 3328

                  #1178
                  Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by ACMilan99
                  If Bogaerts busts, I want a live action video of your head exploding, okay?

                  Anywho, Colby Rasmus for one of Brandon Maurer/Nick Franklin/Brad Miler. Fair?
                  Bogaerts will not bust!!! If he does, someone is playing the cruelest April Fools Joke towards Red Sox fans EVER.
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                  • AC
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                    • Sep 2010
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                    #1179
                    Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by CameRoN0407
                    Bogaerts will not bust!!! If he does, someone is playing the cruelest April Fools Joke towards Red Sox fans EVER.
                    Which will make happening all the funnier.
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                    • big_tone91
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 86

                      #1180
                      Originally posted by ACMilan99
                      Whaaaaaaaa? 3B is like the deepest position there is lol, plus, the positional adjustment scale goes:

                      C
                      SS
                      CF
                      2B/3B
                      RF/LF
                      1B
                      DH

                      A good 3B is fairly common lol. A good 3B is the 4th hardest thing to find. They're important, yeah, but they're plentiful.

                      Also, people need to stop taking WAR out of context lol. It's quite, quite possible this was a career year. Plus, the guy just got injured.
                      I'd have to disagree because after the top 7 or 8 3rd basemen in the league there is a HUGE drop off. Plenty of CF'ers to choose from right now though. When talking about Tulo that "when healthy" part is pretty important. He's had no less than 6 significant injuries and is under contract until age 36 on a backloaded contract. BTW I probably would stop reading whoever it was that ranked Teheran #1 in 2012 that's just ridiculous.
                      Last edited by big_tone91; 03-31-2013, 11:09 PM.
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                      • AC
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                        • Sep 2010
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                        #1181
                        Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by big_tone91
                        I'd have to disagree after the top 7 or 8 3rd basemen in the league there is a HUGE drop off. Plenty of CF'ers to choose from right now though.
                        There are 7 3Bs who had 4 win seasons. 9 who had 3 win seasons. Should've been 10, but Lawrie dove into a freaking camera well.

                        11 CFs with 3 win seasons, 7 with 4 win seasons.

                        While the wins are similar, the positional adjustment is MUCH friendlier to CF.

                        Also, the biggest win drop-off from 3B is not past 7/8. It's from 5-6, and it's 1.7 wins, from 5.8 to 4.1.

                        There are probably flaws in my argument but I'm tired haha.
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                        • survo20002
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 8

                          #1182
                          Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by ACMilan99
                          There's no question that Tulo's the best SS in the league. There's also no question that Headley isn't the best. There's also no question SS >> 3B lol.

                          EDIT: Just gonna end this off with two stats: Headley doubled his ISO and PENTUPLED his HR/FB. That's... really, really, REALLY unsustainable. He'll be good, but a regression candidate. Headley and Tulo, from here on out, shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence lol.
                          Ha no way TULO is the best didn't he miss most of the year with injury? what did he do last year nothing!!!! Maybe Jeter or Andrus. Umm I would Say Jeter. How good is jeter really 3k hits maybe. and don't even start about Headly. I will take Wright or Longoria or Beltre over him. He's average. Lets take him out of San Diego and make him play in the East. He'll fall apart

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                          • AC
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                            • Sep 2010
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                            #1183
                            Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by survo20002
                            Ha no way TULO is the best didn't he miss most of the year with injury? what did he do last year nothing!!!! Maybe Jeter or Andrus. Umm I would Say Jeter. How good is jeter really 3k hits maybe. and don't even start about Headly. I will take Wright or Longoria or Beltre over him. He's average. Lets take him out of San Diego and make him play in the East. He'll fall apart
                            Omar Vizquel had 2877 hits and was rather average his entire career. Would you say that an extra 123 hits would make him THAT much better? Quite the arbitrary cut off, no?
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                            • survo20002
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 8

                              #1184
                              Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by ACMilan99
                              Omar Vizquel had 2877 hits and was rather average his entire career. Would you say that an extra 123 hits would make him THAT much better? Quite the arbitrary cut off, no?
                              average I say not. What was tulos stats last year. What about beltre? He will get to the hall a class act

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                              • AC
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                                • Sep 2010
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                                #1185
                                Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by survo20002
                                average I say not. What was tulos stats last year. What about beltre? He will get to the hall a class act
                                Tulo played in ~50 games, and put up .364 wOBA, .287 average (derp), wRC+ of 116 (which is about 22% better than the average shortstop), etc, etc, he was outstanding. He finally had surgery. Excluding his rookie season, he's missed 273 out of a possible 972 games. He's played in over 120 games in 4 of the last 6 seasons.

                                Vizquel was decidedly average.
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