2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Totte]

I very much respect your opinion as you are very knowledgeable about this type of thing and I don't necisarrily have numbers or anything to back up my argument but I just really feel like the Ms are getting shafted. We need an Ms fans opinion lol!

I consider myself somewhat into the M's organisation and I have to agree that I'd want something else than Sierra coming back with Rasmus for Paxton and Franklin. Is there a low B pitching prospect (could be RP in the long term) that you can spare instead of Sierra?

[JordanKicks23]

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So once the rosters come out, I will be playing with my Twins. When I take over, what type of return do you think I can get for two stars who need to go.

i am looking for prospects that would contribute in 2014. I will be dealing Morneau and Willingham around the deadline. Assume they both are having average to above average years. What type of pitching or middle infield prospects would I be able to pull?

[NateNY]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

OF Jordany Valdespin
SP Jenrry Meija
for
OF Jeff Francoeur
RP Greg Holland

Looking to upgrade my bullpen. Would this be a fair trade. I would be trading for their closer, but i would be willing to free them of Frenchy and give them 2 young players back.

[TheBadOwl]

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What's your opinion on Slade Heathcott? Gordon for Heathcott sounds about right to me, but I know there are very very different opinions on him.

One of Romine, Heathcott, Montgomery, or Adams would work.

Heathcott has an incredibly high ceiling, but gets injured a lot because he plays the game all-out. The Yankees also just released Adams but re-signed him to a minor league deal. He's probably got more value to them than anyone else right now because he can play third or second and has a solid bat, but is old for a prospect (26 IIRC) so he doesn't have great trade value.

Dee Gordon would definitely make sense as someone for the Yankees to target. I'm not sure there's a great fit there for a trade, though, since the Yankees have a ton of outfielders and starting pitchers in their system, and those are two places where the Dodgers are set for a while. It's pretty well-known that the Dodgers have a questionable bullpen, and the Yankees aren't too fond of Joba, so maybe there's a fit there.

The other thing to consider is that Cashman loves Nunez, and sees him as the shortstop of the future, but based on defense alone, I don't think he'd be opposed to trading for Gordon.

EDIT: Just noticed your username. Forza Milan!

[TheBadOwl]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

OF Jordany Valdespin
SP Jenrry Meija
for
OF Jeff Francoeur
RP Greg Holland

Looking to upgrade my bullpen. Would this be a fair trade. I would be trading for their closer, but i would be willing to free them of Frenchy and give them 2 young players back.

Meh, seems about right, but Francoeur will probably get DFA'd in the next year or so. You could probably get it done without taking on that salary. Meija + low level guys for Holland would make a lot of sense for both sides IMO.

[Totte]

So once the rosters come out, I will be playing with my Twins. When I take over, what type of return do you think I can get for two stars who need to go.

i am looking for prospects that would contribute in 2014. I will be dealing Morneau and Willingham around the deadline. Assume they both are having average to above average years. What type of pitching or middle infield prospects would I be able to pull?

The question would be easier to answer if you were in July in your franchise and we knew the contending teams. To speculate a bit...
Morneau to Toronto for a pitching prospect (AC has tons of names and insight for you)
Morneau to Pittsburgh for Jose Tabata
Morneau to NYY for Dellin Betances
Morneau to Texas for Justin Grimm

Willingham is a fit pretty much everywhere and has a reasonable deal for 2014 as well. An AL team who could rotate him between LF/DH is probably the best option. I'm thinking the Yankees and Rangers could look to acquire both of them in the same deal if the price is right...

[JordanKicks23]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

The question would be easier to answer if you were in July in your franchise and we knew the contending teams. To speculate a bit...
Morneau to Toronto for a pitching prospect (AC has tons of names and insight for you)
Morneau to Pittsburgh for Jose Tabata
Morneau to NYY for Dellin Betances
Morneau to Texas for Justin Grimm

Willingham is a fit pretty much everywhere and has a reasonable deal for 2014 as well. An AL team who could rotate him between LF/DH is probably the best option. I'm thinking the Yankees and Rangers could look to acquire both of them in the same deal if the price is right...

I like the Tabata idea, but I'm not sold on him being worth enough. I don't know Grimm or the Blue Jays farm system. From a rating standpoint, where do you feel the two command in return?

I am thinking Morneau could yield an A-/B+ type guy and Willingham B+/B- range

[TheBadOwl]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

The question would be easier to answer if you were in July in your franchise and we knew the contending teams. To speculate a bit...
Morneau to Toronto for a pitching prospect (AC has tons of names and insight for you)
Morneau to Pittsburgh for Jose Tabata
Morneau to NYY for Dellin Betances
Morneau to Texas for Justin Grimm

Willingham is a fit pretty much everywhere and has a reasonable deal for 2014 as well. An AL team who could rotate him between LF/DH is probably the best option. I'm thinking the Yankees and Rangers could look to acquire both of them in the same deal if the price is right...

Not sure how highly rated Betances is in The Show (I don't have a PS3 yet, getting one soon, feedback would be awesome btw), but as a Yankee fan, I have to say that Betances has absolutely no trade value as of right now.

A good fit for Morneau to the Yankees would be something like Ramon Flores (good corner outfield prospect), Brett Marshall (#3/4 starter), and then some fillers.

[Totte]

Not sure how highly rated Betances is in The Show (I don't have a PS3 yet, getting one soon, feedback would be awesome btw), but as a Yankee fan, I have to say that Betances has absolutely no trade value as of right now.

A good fit for Morneau to the Yankees would be something like Ramon Flores (good corner outfield prospect), Brett Marshall (#3/4 starter), and then some fillers.

Could it be Banuelos that I'm thinking of then. I always forget if it's Banuelos or Betances that's had an incredible dip in value

[Totte]

I like the Tabata idea, but I'm not sold on him being worth enough. I don't know Grimm or the Blue Jays farm system. From a rating standpoint, where do you feel the two command in return?

I am thinking Morneau could yield an A-/B+ type guy and Willingham B+/B- range

Can't access the spreadsheet for trade values from my phone at the moment but take a look at the first page of this thread for exact values on Morneau and Willingham.

Tabata could probably benefit from a change of scenery and the fact that he's user a very team friendly contract makes him an intriguing option. He's still a kid as well, around 25-26 years old I think.

Grimm made his major league debut last year for the Rangers. Pretty good stuff, no 3 upside if you ask me. Definitely ready for full time action in 2014, probably late 2013

[sink4ever]

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Haha, I was wondering why Betances was being mentioned. He'll only be a 'C' Potential in OSFM. Banuelos will be a high-ish 'B', probably more along the lines of what you're looking for.

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

I consider myself somewhat into the M's organisation and I have to agree that I'd want something else than Sierra coming back with Rasmus for Paxton and Franklin. Is there a low B pitching prospect (could be RP in the long term) that you can spare instead of Sierra?

Bleh, sick of prospects.. OSFM does that to you, haha. Rather than a low B pitcher, how about...

Paxton / Franklin / ____
For
Rasmus/Buehrle?

Heathcott has an incredibly high ceiling, but gets injured a lot because he plays the game all-out. The Yankees also just released Adams but re-signed him to a minor league deal. He's probably got more value to them than anyone else right now because he can play third or second and has a solid bat, but is old for a prospect (26 IIRC) so he doesn't have great trade value.

Dee Gordon would definitely make sense as someone for the Yankees to target. I'm not sure there's a great fit there for a trade, though, since the Yankees have a ton of outfielders and starting pitchers in their system, and those are two places where the Dodgers are set for a while. It's pretty well-known that the Dodgers have a questionable bullpen, and the Yankees aren't too fond of Joba, so maybe there's a fit there.

The other thing to consider is that Cashman loves Nunez, and sees him as the shortstop of the future, but based on defense alone, I don't think he'd be opposed to trading for Gordon.

EDIT: Just noticed your username. Forza Milan!

Do NOT like Heathcott. Dat plate discipline, lol.

I think Romine for Gordon is fine.

Go AC Milan

Morneau to Toronto for a pitching prospect (AC has tons of names and insight for you)

Ughhhh this again haha, I got sick of Morneau right around the time 'the biggest Jays fan ever' tried to convince me what a good idea Syndergaard for Morneau was

Drabek?

[TheBadOwl]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Could it be Banuelos that I'm thinking of then. I always forget if it's Banuelos or Betances that's had an incredible dip in value

Banuelos actually missed pretty much all of last year with an elbow injury, then tore a ligament trying to rehab it and now is missing the whole year with Tommy John surgery... so he's basically missing two development years. Betances was absolutely terrible and his value has gone WAY down.

So, basically, you're thinking of both.

[TheBadOwl]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

Do NOT like Heathcott. Dat plate discipline, lol.

I think Romine for Gordon is fine.

Go AC Milan

Romine's value is pretty low right now. Too injury prone and not a very high ceiling. Also, agree on Heathcott's plate discipline not being very good, but his other tools are off-the-charts. I'm personally a huge fan, but I wouldn't be shocked if his plate discipline is his downfall.

A Dodgers/Yankees trade wouldn't really make a ton of sense since they don't match up, but Gordon is a great target for the Yankees. Something like Romine and Betances would make sense, but both have seen their value go way down. Maybe something like J.R. Murphy and Nik Turley for Gordon?

[AC]

Re: 2013 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

A Dodgers/Yankees trade wouldn't really make a ton of sense since they don't match up, but Gordon is a great target for the Yankees. Something like Romine and Betances would make sense, but both have seen their value go way down. Maybe something like J.R. Murphy and Nik Turley for Gordon?

I haven't once heard of either of those guys.