Franchise Player Ratings Decline

[geisterhome]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

I actually DO think there is a bug at play here. If you play some of spring training it happens, if you don't, it won't. I think what is happening is that a full season and offseason of player regression/progression is taking place in spring training. I don't think that is what the developers intended and I bet it will be patched. I do like the progression/regression model for the season though and I think that will stay.

Thats what I'm thinking too!

[BBallcoach]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

I just ran a test...
For 2013 if you want NO Decline prior to the season.

1. Manage your roster, set all your 25 man rosters.
2. Go manually set the training, i did every player (and plan to ever 2-3 weeks through out the chise)
3. Hire scouts and staff you want.
4. End Spring Training

No decline, I know it's known there isn't but I did everything manually to make sure and it works. I plan on playing 1 game every 5 days after opening day and my home opener (that way I get a new pitcher every game).

My on going test to correlate the declines with a combo player's stats and a the player's age. This may take a day or two for results because I do the human factor of playing a couple of games a month. I will update per month of progression through out the year.

[geisterhome]

I just ran a test...
For 2013 if you want NO Decline prior to the season.

1. Manage your roster, set all your 25 man rosters.
2. Go manually set the training, i did every player (and plan to ever 2-3 weeks through out the chise)
3. Hire scouts and staff you want.
4. End Spring Training

No decline, I know it's known there isn't but I did everything manually to make sure and it works. I plan on playing 1 game every 5 days after opening day and my home opener (that way I get a new pitcher every game).

My on going test to correlate the declines with a combo player's stats and a the player's age. This may take a day or two for results because I do the human factor of playing a couple of games a month. I will update per month of progression through out the year.

those workarounds kind of remind me of Madden 13, not really a good thing if you ask me lol..

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[BBallcoach]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

those workarounds kind of remind me of Madden 13, not really a good thing if you ask me lol..

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the only work around is ending spring training... you should manually control everything else anyway.
Unless you play every ST game then it's normal... but simming will bring a decline. So the biggest down fall is no ST battles

what were there work arounds for madden 13? I played the crap out of CCM and had no issues what so ever

[geisterhome]

the only work around is ending spring training... you should manually control everything else anyway.
Unless you play every ST game then it's normal... but simming will bring a decline. So the biggest down fall is no ST battles

what were there work arounds for madden 13? I played the crap out of CCM and had no issues what so ever

don't want to go of topic here but if you are interested what kind of issues some of us experienced playing Madden 13 maybe look here:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d.php?t=586075

work arounds for example were changing the play books to default with a 2nd controller and to turn the salary cap off to avoid the salary cap glitch and to leave preexisting injuries on to prevent injuries from disappearing.
and not to forget the kicker/punter substitutions make preseason kind of unplayable. only work around there as well is skipping preseason.

concerning the show 13, I realise that it's an easy fix but still it annoys me to some extent.

[BBallcoach]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

don't want to go of topic here but if you are interested what kind of issues some of us experienced playing Madden 13 maybe look here:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d.php?t=586075

work arounds for example were changing the play books to default with a 2nd controller and to turn the salary cap off to avoid the salary cap glitch and to leave preexisting injuries on to prevent injuries from disappearing.


concerning the show 13, I realise that it's an easy fix but still it annoys me to some extent.

yeah it's nothing like that in the show...

So i've played a few games and decided to sim to july. To see progression/regression.

My guess of stats having to do with it... completely wrong.
David Ortiz's stats as of July 1- .320/21 Hr/ 63 RBI/ .408 OBP/ .547 SLG
Attributes all down between -5 and -7 and is a 93 OVL Now he still has decent ratings but by the end of the year, there is no way he stays in the 80's as a 37 year old.

Ryan Dempster though off to a rough start but decent #'s 0-6 4.76 era 58 K's 1.43 whip. Not great numbers but decent, and he's down -6 to -7 across the board, ovl 78

Lackey at 34 with worst #'s 4-6 7.28 era, 23 K, 1.75 whip +1 in the attributes i'm training him at, still an 80 ovl ...

Lackey is a B in potential and Dempster is an A

Looking at the Yankees
Mo Rivera- 11 Saves, 0.00 era, 4 k 10.0 IP 0.60 whip down -6 to -7 in most categories 88 ovl

Derek Jeter- 280 ab .264/1 hr/ 28 rbi/ .318 OBP/ .339 SLG down -6 to -7 80 ovl, eduardo nunez is an 81... Jeter still starter
A-Rod DH- .223 10 HR, 28 RBI .289 OBP .381 SLG

Toronto
RA Dickey 12-4 80 K, 3.16 era 1.28 Whip down -6 to -7 now at 86 ovl


Now I think this is a design flaw... I get the drop for Jeter and Arod, and dempster to an extent. But Ortiz, Mo, and Dickey should maybe drop -1 to -2 due to age with the way they are playing... And I understand the game just see's them as a high 30's player with no name, but stats should count for something... this is a baseball game. Right now in progression all that matters really is age. Stats, potential, and age should all factor... in that order.

Now I do like that older guys do decline in ratings, but if they have the stats they shouldn't erode like they are. I hope they can tweak something in the algorithm for two things.
1. Not so much emphasis on ST
2. factor in the year the player is having.

again this a half year update, but if Ortiz hits 40 HR his age decline should be -5 max for stats for the entire year, IMO instead of -6 to -7 in the start of july of every attribute.

[PhillyWhat2011]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

yeah it's nothing like that in the show...

So i've played a few games and decided to sim to july. To see progression/regression.

My guess of stats having to do with it... completely wrong.
David Ortiz's stats as of July 1- .320/21 Hr/ 63 RBI/ .408 OBP/ .547 SLG
Attributes all down between -5 and -7 and is a 93 OVL Now he still has decent ratings but by the end of the year, there is no way he stays in the 80's as a 37 year old.

Ryan Dempster though off to a rough start but decent #'s 0-6 4.76 era 58 K's 1.43 whip. Not great numbers but decent, and he's down -6 to -7 across the board, ovl 78

Lackey at 34 with worst #'s 4-6 7.28 era, 23 K, 1.75 whip +1 in the attributes i'm training him at, still an 80 ovl ...

Lackey is a B in potential and Dempster is an A

Looking at the Yankees
Mo Rivera- 11 Saves, 0.00 era, 4 k 10.0 IP 0.60 whip down -6 to -7 in most categories 88 ovl

Derek Jeter- 280 ab .264/1 hr/ 28 rbi/ .318 OBP/ .339 SLG down -6 to -7 80 ovl, eduardo nunez is an 81... Jeter still starter
A-Rod DH- .223 10 HR, 28 RBI .289 OBP .381 SLG

Toronto
RA Dickey 12-4 80 K, 3.16 era 1.28 Whip down -6 to -7 now at 86 ovl


Now I think this is a design flaw... I get the drop for Jeter and Arod, and dempster to an extent. But Ortiz, Mo, and Dickey should maybe drop -1 to -2 due to age with the way they are playing... And I understand the game just see's them as a high 30's player with no name, but stats should count for something... this is a baseball game. Right now in progression all that matters really is age. Stats, potential, and age should all factor... in that order.

Now I do like that older guys do decline in ratings, but if they have the stats they shouldn't erode like they are. I hope they can tweak something in the algorithm for two things.
1. Not so much emphasis on ST
2. factor in the year the player is having.

again this a half year update, but if Ortiz hits 40 HR his age decline should be -5 max for stats for the entire year, IMO instead of -6 to -7 in the start of july of every attribute.

The only issue I can see with including stats is that they run the risk of having a guy like Ortiz playing well at or near 40 years old. I do agree that the regression should be slight but I think it should be a little more steep then 1 or 2.

[GreenGlen]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

I think the factor for the older players should be a combo of factors including games played. If you want to run a balance between overplaying and underplaying, overtraining and undertraining. A big issue for me is the quickness at which some younger players progress. Players like trout and Harper are rare and should be exceptions not the rule.

[sink4ever]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Interesting observations here, I'm looking forward to finally having some time this weekend to run some tests of my own. Possibly a couple things to keep in mind:

1) As the esteemed poster before me said, the game doesn't see names. Dickey, Jeter, Halladay . . . they're just older guys to the game. And I think overall the decision to have older players fall off at a more drastic pace is probably a good one. After a lot more testing, we may come to the conclusion that it could use more tuning, but so far I can't say I'm too alarmed.

2) It's a matter of opinion, but I don't think stats should ever drive progression or regression. Stats are a result, not a cause. I don't think stats really correlate to progression in The Show (apart from potential changes) and I'm grateful for that. The forces that cause a player to get better or worse don't have anything to do with the numbers they're putting up.

[GreenGlen]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

I agree stats or player names should not be cause of regression, durability should be huge factor, leading to injuries that lead to regression and substantial loss of numbers depending on age.

[hatfield57]

Do player ratings change in season mode?

[pirates1fan]

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Ok, wow, this is a huge issue for me. I wanted to get into a franchise and sim a little to see what would happen. Unbelievable the amount of drop from anyone who is just a little on the older side.

Take a guy like Mariano Rivera as an example. He is currently 43 years old. 2005, his age 35 season, he had a 1.38 ERA. 43 Saves. 2011, 41 yeras old, 1.91 ERA, and 44 saves. And he kept it at right about the same for all years in between. Point is, AGE CLEARLY DOES NOT DETERMINE A PLAYERS REGRESSION! Now, I am not saying that as a player gets older he doesn't decline. And, quite frankly, Mariano Rivera is a freak of nature. However, I don't understand how age alone determines a players regression.

The Pittsburgh Pirates aquired A.J. Burnett last spring. His age 35 year. He was coming off of a couple 5.00+ ERA years with the Yanks. Not to mention, he missed all of spring training because a bunted ball was fouled off of his eye and he broke his orbital bone. He came back, started 31 games, pitched 202.1 innings, went 16-10 with a 3.51 ERA and 180 K's.

So, your telling me that because a guy hits about 35 years of age, no matter his performance in the game, he drops about 15-20 overall in spring training, and even more over the year! Biggest load of BULL CRAP I have ever seen. Age alone should in no way shape or form determine a players regression.

Now, the combination of age+results+durability is what should determine a decline in a game in my opinion. The main thing I play is Franchise and this will ruin it for me if I have to see this load of crap. Almost makes me want to return it. If this isn't patched, I will have to consider my options. Never thought I'd say that, but this is awful for me. For anyone that disagrees with me, sorry, but I am quite infuriated right now if you couldn't tell by this really long message.

[BrianU]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Do the older players play less games in general than the younger versions of themselves on CPU teams?

[iRepIndiana]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Ok, wow, this is a huge issue for me. I wanted to get into a franchise and sim a little to see what would happen. Unbelievable the amount of drop from anyone who is just a little on the older side.

Take a guy like Mariano Rivera as an example. He is currently 43 years old. 2005, his age 35 season, he had a 1.38 ERA. 43 Saves. 2011, 41 yeras old, 1.91 ERA, and 44 saves. And he kept it at right about the same for all years in between. Point is, AGE CLEARLY DOES NOT DETERMINE A PLAYERS REGRESSION! Now, I am not saying that as a player gets older he doesn't decline. And, quite frankly, Mariano Rivera is a freak of nature. However, I don't understand how age alone determines a players regression.

The Pittsburgh Pirates aquired A.J. Burnett last spring. His age 35 year. He was coming off of a couple 5.00+ ERA years with the Yanks. Not to mention, he missed all of spring training because a bunted ball was fouled off of his eye and he broke his orbital bone. He came back, started 31 games, pitched 202.1 innings, went 16-10 with a 3.51 ERA and 180 K's.

So, your telling me that because a guy hits about 35 years of age, no matter his performance in the game, he drops about 15-20 overall in spring training, and even more over the year! Biggest load of BULL CRAP I have ever seen. Age alone should in no way shape or form determine a players regression.

Now, the combination of age+results+durability is what should determine a decline in a game in my opinion. The main thing I play is Franchise and this will ruin it for me if I have to see this load of crap. Almost makes me want to return it. If this isn't patched, I will have to consider my options. Never thought I'd say that, but this is awful for me. For anyone that disagrees with me, sorry, but I am quite infuriated right now if you couldn't tell by this really long message.

I understand where you're coming from but let me put this into perspective.

There are more 36-40 year olds who decrease in playing ability and their number than there are who maintain and continued success in the big leagues.

I think this system is great.

[geisterhome]

Re: Franchise Player Ratings Decline

Ok, wow, this is a huge issue for me. I wanted to get into a franchise and sim a little to see what would happen. Unbelievable the amount of drop from anyone who is just a little on the older side.

Take a guy like Mariano Rivera as an example. He is currently 43 years old. 2005, his age 35 season, he had a 1.38 ERA. 43 Saves. 2011, 41 yeras old, 1.91 ERA, and 44 saves. And he kept it at right about the same for all years in between. Point is, AGE CLEARLY DOES NOT DETERMINE A PLAYERS REGRESSION! Now, I am not saying that as a player gets older he doesn't decline. And, quite frankly, Mariano Rivera is a freak of nature. However, I don't understand how age alone determines a players regression.

The Pittsburgh Pirates aquired A.J. Burnett last spring. His age 35 year. He was coming off of a couple 5.00+ ERA years with the Yanks. Not to mention, he missed all of spring training because a bunted ball was fouled off of his eye and he broke his orbital bone. He came back, started 31 games, pitched 202.1 innings, went 16-10 with a 3.51 ERA and 180 K's.

So, your telling me that because a guy hits about 35 years of age, no matter his performance in the game, he drops about 15-20 overall in spring training, and even more over the year! Biggest load of BULL CRAP I have ever seen. Age alone should in no way shape or form determine a players regression.

Now, the combination of age+results+durability is what should determine a decline in a game in my opinion. The main thing I play is Franchise and this will ruin it for me if I have to see this load of crap. Almost makes me want to return it. If this isn't patched, I will have to consider my options. Never thought I'd say that, but this is awful for me. For anyone that disagrees with me, sorry, but I am quite infuriated right now if you couldn't tell by this really long message.

I don't see it as dramatic as you maybe but I have to say I agree with you for the most part. I really hope they'll tone it down/randomize it quite a bit and get rid of the first year spring training decline completely.

Everybody agreeing make sure that you vote for the "BUG REPORT" in my signature. It's has the 5th most votes right now.