strikeout totals way too low is franchise

[vcu9]

Re: strikeout totals way too low is franchise

That is always the million-dollar question.

I have a question: If I correct the K/9 and BB/9 issues and do other pitcher/hitter edits, then I start a season a play a few games; then SCEA releases Patch #1 and later Patch #2, will that change the ratings I have given the players in my season mode?

And if they correct the K/9 and BB/9 problem via their end (not through my custom edits), will this screw with my season K/9 and BB/9 stats?

Thanks A Lot Guys.

[nomo17k]

Re: strikeout totals way too low is franchise

I have a question: If I correct the K/9 and BB/9 issues and do other pitcher/hitter edits, then I start a season a play a few games; then SCEA releases Patch #1 and later Patch #2, will that change the ratings I have given the players in my season mode?

And if they correct the K/9 and BB/9 problem via their end (not through my custom edits), will this screw with my season K/9 and BB/9 stats?

Thanks A Lot Guys.

Most likely yes. That's why we should hold off on doing any ad hoc fix at the moment by editing those attributes (which might look like fixing the sim game results, but doing so will screw up regular gameplay result right now anyways... no reason at the moment to resort to editing).

[Gagnon39]

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When did the first patch for MLB 12 come out? And has there ever been a precedent for fixing something like this. I remember in MLB 11 (I believe) that the Cubs schedule was messed up. They played all night games except on Sunday or something like that. SCEA fixed this with a patch. I'm thinking that it might be more difficult to fix simulated statistics, however. Thoughts?

[nomo17k]

Re: strikeout totals way too low is franchise

When did the first patch for MLB 12 come out? And has there ever been a precedent for fixing something like this. I remember in MLB 11 (I believe) that the Cubs schedule was messed up. They played all night games except on Sunday or something like that. SCEA fixed this with a patch. I'm thinking that it might be more difficult to fix simulated statistics, however. Thoughts?

Personally, my guess is that this is a less complicated issue than the schedule bug last year (which was entirely a mess). But who really knows. The best we could do is to report the issue, make it easier for them to identify and reproduce, and hope for the best anyways. No amount of complaining would change that....

[vcu9]

Re: strikeout totals way too low is franchise

Most likely yes. That's why we should hold off on doing any ad hoc fix at the moment by editing those attributes (which might look like fixing the sim game results, but doing so will screw up regular gameplay result right now anyways... no reason at the moment to resort to editing).

Is that 100% yes? Also, if I am only planning to play one season with a few different teams (the 2013 season) and never advance beyond 2013, do I even need to download any of the patches?

Thanks Nomo.

[NAFBUC]

Re: strikeout totals way too low is franchise

Hope this gets fixed. Strikeouts are way off.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...2c&usp=sharing

There if you look in detail H/9, BB, AVE/RISP *might* be slightly inflated compared to last year's MLB stats (when offense continues to be a bit suppressed), but nothing really to worry about.

But definitely something wrong with strikeouts.....

Have not yet read all the posts in this thread. Just wanted to post my observations as I have had the game earlier than most.

I play user/cpu games only. I find it slightly easier for me to K the cpu this year:

Pitch counts are down for me/cpu compared to previous yrs of The Show.

Walks have also declined. I am a patient hitter, but find it harder to work the count. For walking the CPU, I am going to raise my pitching level up a notch, tweak the sliders and track the results.

I know we are discussing sim stats, but not sure how playing vs the cpu changes the stat engine.

[nomo17k]

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Is that 100% yes? Also, if I am only planning to play one season with a few different teams (the 2013 season) and never advance beyond 2013, do I even need to download any of the patches?

Thanks Nomo.

Since I'm not a dev on the product, I can never say what I write about the game is 100% true. But it is more than reasonable to think editing is not the best route... though it is entirely fine to do so for yourself, if that make you happy (which is the most important thing).

Like h&v wrote earlier, the sim and gameplay engines are completely different. You are basically running two different games (it's kinda like a text-based simulation like OOTP with the sim engine, and a more arcade-ish physics-oriented engine with visuals when you actually play through).

I really hate bringing up what happened in the CD in discussions like this since it only sounds like I'm somehow more entitled than other forum members (which I'm not), but like h&v wrote earlier, we did have similar issues with many stats with the sim engine, which was very easy to see after running a single-season simulation.... like the spreadsheet I made... and as you see really the only stats really off now is K stats... the rest are fine... so the devs worked to fix that in the sim engine.

Now while all that was happening, we also got CPU vs. CPU game results, and the stats were really good, in line with MLB aves for the most part.

That basically means these two engines need to be tuned separately.... so if two engines are giving different results on something (like now with K rate), then adjusting player attributes to play fine on one engine, you are actually making it to play worse on another. That's why most guys have been saying to stay away from an editing solution.

I don't think the devs fixed the "sim-stats being off" issue by re-rating all players... because it really doesn't fix the root of the problem.

[nascarfreak24ny]

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Just ran a chise, simming into the year 2017 as the M's, figured I would Post my results)
one thing i noticed (and ill post this in a few other forums too) the pitching is just horrendous, I have a 98,96,94,89 and all ERAs were 5+. the league leaders are: (all stats are from a 2017 sim season, I didnt play any games, budgets trades both on)
AL

Jacob Turner 3.40
Jeremy Hellickson 3.53
Tim Fielder 3.59
Roberto Ponce 3.76
Chris Sale 3.88
Stefan Ruiz 4.04
Verlander 4.20
Tommy Milone 4.22
Banuelos 4.26
Medlin 4.37
Zimmer 4.45
Moore 4.49

Yu darvish lead the league in strike outs with 197, verlander w/ 141

NL (actally significantly better)
Whitney 3.12 (112 K's)
strasburg 3.25
hudson 3.27
billingsley 3.32
bumgarner 3.32
hamels 3.45
latos 3.48
brett anders 3.50
Reardon 3.62
Buckel 3.64
Zimmerman 3.75
Kershaw 3.88 (168 K's)

And offense is incredible in the AL
42 players hit 100 RBI +
30 had 30 HR +
21 Batted .300 +

NL
15 batted 300+ (votto 357)
18 hit 30 + hr (league leader 48)
25 W/ 100 + rbi

Votto had an OPS of 1.018 and Fielder had 1.022
Votto Slugged .580 and Mario Buatista .639

And the K/9 ratings for guys were never above 80, (in 2016 I put my team pitchers all at 92 K/9 and no one had more than 172 K's)

Idk if this will help anyone or anything, but it just looked like I got pretty far into a sim season so I posted the stats)

[nomo17k]

Re: strikeout totals way too low is franchise

Just ran a chise, simming into the year 2017 as the M's, figured I would Post my results)
one thing i noticed (and ill post this in a few other forums too) the pitching is just horrendous, I have a 98,96,94,89 and all ERAs were 5+. the league leaders are: (all stats are from a 2017 sim season, I didnt play any games, budgets trades both on)
AL

...

Idk if this will help anyone or anything, but it just looked like I got pretty far into a sim season so I posted the stats)

Very interesting, but this seems like a player progression issue and not the sim engine issue..... is this typically what guys in the progression thread is talking about? Haven't gotten around to check that one....

[nascarfreak24ny]

Re: strikeout totals way too low is franchise

Very interesting, but this seems like a player progression issue and not the sim engine issue..... is this typically what guys in the progression thread is talking about? Haven't gotten around to check that one....

I havent actually found a great thread for progression, maybe im looking in the wrong places, but this seems pretty consistent, I did a chise with the yanks (just to play around with some budget tricks) and Kershaw lead the league with 77 K's at the break, and the pitchers are progressing really well, alot of 96 ovr + (with great attributes too) that are throwing 120 K's Max. So im not really sure what the issue is

[RandyBass]

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Crap, just noticed this in my franchise. I'm leading the league in strike outs, at about seven per game, which in reality should be about average.

Officially waiting for a patch now.

[WickedFastball]

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Yea, im a little disappointed with this issue. I always make it a point in my RTTS to break the 383 K mark. Looks like that wont be happening this year
Right now in the middle of june I am leading the league w/ 84 strikeouts in 77 innings.
The game is incredible, it is just unfortunate about this issue, especially for me as I enjoy playing as a pitcher, and especially as a power strikeout pitcher. I will live with, and still enjoy this game this year. And am looking forward to next year and the power of the PS 4. And all of the advancements they will be making to this game. My only hope is that they will keep us in the loop about what they are doing.

[upthemiddle7]

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I donno bout everyone else, but I rake 7-10 K's a gm vs the cpu on Legend pitching. But then again, I'm a surgeon on those corners all game.

[MoleDude]

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I donno bout everyone else, but I rake 7-10 K's a gm vs the cpu on Legend pitching. But then again, I'm a surgeon on those corners all game.

I dunno about you, but I like to brag about my skills that have nothing to do with the problem outlined in this thread.

This is about SIMMED stats, not player vs cpu.

[berenjena]

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The problem is quite simple (can't believe no one has noticed).

Players vision are WAY too high for some players... for any stats geek and someone who has been playing The Show for more than 6 years it was pretty easy to noticed. It seems like every 90 to 100 K's a year hitter is in the 75 to 80 vision range... which is BS.

Example:

Mark Teixeira - 75 Vision

Matt Weiters - 72 Vision

Cano - 85 vision (As a Yankee fan I know he should be in the 70's)

Zobrist - 74 vision (really?)

Bourn - 61 vision

Utley - 89 (75 to 80 would be more accurate)

Braun - 75 (Braun strikes out a fairly amount of times) 128 Ks last year!!

To put it in perspective... Andrew Mccutchen averages 108 strikeout a year and has 44 vision in the game!! Braun averages 115 K's a year and has a 75 vision......

Something must have gone wrong while the computer were editing these guys vision rating. Most players are right where they supposed to be, but the outcast that are supposed to be striking out 20 to 35 times more than the game projects them to be are obviously messing with the pitchers K stats.