first pitch meatballs....bug?

[Bobhead]

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I think the one bug we can all agree about is that the Pitch Analysis Screen is not very good at counting.

12 first-pitches after 10 batters?

[Bondsfan]

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Played about half a season in RTTS degault allstar. Hitting 330 but I have only one walk. Ive always been a free swinger, but usually will get some walks. But this year, the most hittable pitch in the at bat is the first pitch 90% of the time. If you take it, you are giving up a strike and likely your most hittable pitch. If you swing at it, you'll hit well, but never work any counts. Im seeing a lack of balls thrown in general on all star, so even if I take the first strike, I basically will strike out if trying to work a walk. So Im just swinging away for now, ignoring that my average matches my OB% and hopefully SCEA patches this.

[jmik58]

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Played about half a season in RTTS degault allstar. Hitting 330 but I have only one walk. Ive always been a free swinger, but usually will get some walks. But this year, the most hittable pitch in the at bat is the first pitch 90% of the time. If you take it, you are giving up a strike and likely your most hittable pitch. If you swing at it, you'll hit well, but never work any counts. Im seeing a lack of balls thrown in general on all star, so even if I take the first strike, I basically will strike out if trying to work a walk. So Im just swinging away for now, ignoring that my average matches my OB% and hopefully SCEA patches this.

What difficulty are you playing on?

Try it on Legend and see if anything changes.

[speels]

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I attached my latest all-star exhibition, first pitch of inning only results below. 11 pitches are shown as faced. I didn't hit the double or the DP (clearly since i lead-off the inning). So the rest are from the 9 pitches i have seen. Like i have said before, i do not know why the extra pitches are there. Based on the DP, i assume the next hitter first pitch must be counting sometimes. Every pitch was the pitchers #1 pitch.

I am not trying to be a pain but I find your testing very flawed. You are only taking into account the first pitch of every inning.
What about the rest of the game. I don't know any pitcher that wouldn't try to work ahead to the leadoff batter of every inning, and for that matter, why wouldn't I throw my best pitch to get ahead?
I think the tests need to involve every first pitch to every batter for a whole game and then break it down, that woudl give you a true measurement, but you have to be honest and not just look at the numbers, but explain the game.
If I down 10-1, of course the pitchers are going to throw first pitch strikes, why would they dink around with maybe walking me. Also, if, as in your screen shot, I am 1 for 9 on leadoff batter first pitch strikes thrown, I don't know any oitcher that would not love to have leadoff batters get on base 1 time per game, that puts them in a good spot for the inning.

Again, I am not saying it isn't a problem, I am just saying that these tests are very limited in what I feel they actually say.

[dkrause1971]

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I am not trying to be a pain but I find your testing very flawed. You are only taking into account the first pitch of every inning.
What about the rest of the game. I don't know any pitcher that wouldn't try to work ahead to the leadoff batter of every inning, and for that matter, why wouldn't I throw my best pitch to get ahead?
I think the tests need to involve every first pitch to every batter for a whole game and then break it down, that woudl give you a true measurement, but you have to be honest and not just look at the numbers, but explain the game.
If I down 10-1, of course the pitchers are going to throw first pitch strikes, why would they dink around with maybe walking me. Also, if, as in your screen shot, I am 1 for 9 on leadoff batter first pitch strikes thrown, I don't know any oitcher that would not love to have leadoff batters get on base 1 time per game, that puts them in a good spot for the inning.

Again, I am not saying it isn't a problem, I am just saying that these tests are very limited in what I feel they actually say.

I focused on this because this is where i have seen the problem. After the first pitch of the inning i am not seeing a pattern/problem. The first pitch of the inning was sticking out in regards of the type of pitch thrown, the location of the pitch, and the strike rate. Why isn't the pitcher do this at the same rate thru the rest of the ABs? How is that flawed to focus on the area i see the problem? Why is the first pitch strike rate in real life 58% but the overall strike rate 63% if everyone just pumps the first pitch down the middle? Yes you try to get ahead but telling me its cool to have like a 90% K rate on first pitch isn't going to fly.

Your secondary comments i dismiss because overall i have a solid sample size thru the thread. Some games i have crushed the few 3-4 pitches i saw and the results were the same. Other games i hit poorly, some games were not close and others were close and the results were the same. At some point its clearly sticking out or its not. Its sticking out in this regard.

These test are limited on purpose. Posting what the CPU does for every pitch would skew what i see is the issue. The issue is the first pitch of the inning. Posting more than that i do not see as useful because it not the problem.

Say i post the entire games pitches with the following results. First pitch of inning was 10/10 in strikes. The rest was say a total of 90 pitches, half are balls. You'll see 55 strikes and 45 balls and tell me the issue isn't there despite it being obvious that the pitcher pitched differently outside those first pitch of the inning.

[dkrause1971]

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I'll try resetting the difficulty profile. When I first booted up I put on beginner and then went in and manually changed all settings to all start and created a custom profile
Maybe something happened and it stuck.

I'm jealous of your screenshots, that doesn't happen to me.

The game has otherwise been perfect.

Did this work? What do you need to reset if it did? i have deleted my user settings and recreated but had the same issue.

[BlueSkies7776]

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I know I don't contribute much to the analysis but It's one thing for the pitcher to want to get ahead in the count by throwing a first pitch strike, but it's another when that first pitch strike is right down the middle and up in the zone. It's home run hitting territory for whoever is at the plate.

I'm noticing it now. Like someone on here said, if you don't crush the first pitch then you're almost always going to be down 0-1.

[gritzblitz56]

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I don't post often but I came here just to discuss this issue when I saw this thread. I have played this series since 2007, I play primarily RttS and I can tell you that this issue definitely exists and it destroys the mode for me. I can understand making hitting easier for those who want it but I'm hitting over .450 by simply sitting on first pitches that invariably are right down the middle and no difficulty setting or slider fixes it.

I'm hoping and praying that this is a bug. Bugs can be fixed. My worry is that if this is intentionally how the devs want the mode now, then I'm afraid that I will be walking away from a series that I have enjoyed very much for the last several years.

[js3512]

In regards to rtts: has anyone considered the cpu may be trying to get you to swing at the first pitch? I've gotten alot of hits off them but also hit alot of pop outs and weak grounders which result in me getting a poor ab but if I do the same on a 3-2 count I get a ok ab and sometimes even a good ab.

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[daddies3angels]

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Yea your going to make outs even with pitches down the middle but when guys are hitting .400+ on HOF setting cause 80% of the hits is on 1st pitch its still problem.

[PDibby23]

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Have the devs acknowledged this ridiculous nonsense?

Or commented its how they want it to be?

If this is how they wanted to sell the game to the casual gamer, real smart move to alienate all true baseball fans.

The frequency of this is completely unrealistic and they should be ashamed of themselves for being so desperate to attract a new customer base that they ruined the fun of the game for their forever loyal base.

We want to hear something Devs!??

[dalger21]

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With these types of things, they (devs) tend to avoid threads like this until they have concrete evidence and have a way to fix it. Otherwise, they would get inundated with messages and hate replies so it's best they stay away until they have something concrete.

[PDibby23]

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Gotcha thx

[Bobhead]

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Man why is it now every other thread guys are demanding devs to do this or that. You realize they are here by choice right? Totally voluntary? Not to take anything away from this issue, because it is an issue... But it's one thing to expect a solution - I'm sure team will get to this when they can - however, to pretend like they are obligated to give us up-to-the-minute Twitter-like updates on every aspect of their day, plans, accomplishments, etc... To partake in condescending behavior simply because they aren't in here apologizing for your terrible misfortunes and posting photographs of whoever in front of a keyboard trying to fix the issue....
It's all absurd, frankly.

Yes we paid money for this game, and we DO have the right to expect a quality product... but this website is NOT an extension of the game, or of any other facet of Sony or SCEA. This is Operation Sports, not Operation Public Relations, and no one anywhere is obligated to do or say anything. Period.

I'm but a mere mortal, but I really wish it would stop, and if I were one of these guys, I'd even go as far as to call it disrespectful.

On another note...

Why is the first pitch strike rate in real life 58% but the overall strike rate 63% if everyone just pumps the first pitch down the middle?

Excellent point.

[PVarck31]

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I've tried to find it but can't. Did we figure out a way to help this in exhibition?