first pitch meatballs....bug?

[Levesque7]

This is on HOF difficulty, zone hitting, with the strike frequency slider at 0 and CPU pitcher consistency at 4. Perfect example of the issue.

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[C_Bailey24]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Yeah. I did it just for this game so I could see what other people were seeing. In the whole game on 3 at-bats wasn't a first pitch fastball. Not all of the first pitch fastballs were strikes but most of them were. They weren't all meatballs. It's not that the CPU is throwing first pitch strikes that is the problem but that all but 3 first pitches were fastballs.

Only thing is your "test" made things even worse by purposely taking every first pitch. I think dkrause just wanted guys to take note of the first pitch of every inning but while playing the game normally because the cpu will eventually catch on if u take every first pitch.

Also, i see guys posting/talking about the real life first pitch strike percentages as they translate to the game, etc. I don't anyone would consider this a "problem" if the strikes were a mixture of fastballs , curves, sliders, etc. The problem is that the pitch is almost always a fastball and that it catches a lot of the plate.

[Traxis]

I've noticed it on the first pitch of the inning in exhibition mode as well. Played 3 games today and saw it 27 times. It wasn't always a meatball, some were more towards the edge of the zone but they were all hittable strikes. I played one game swinging at the first pitch of every AB (not just first of the inning) and another taking every first pitch to see if the AI would adjust but there was no difference. One game was played normally. This is on HoF, the only slider change I've made is pitch speed +2.

[js3512]

This is on HOF difficulty, zone hitting, with the strike frequency slider at 0 and CPU pitcher consistency at 4. Perfect example of the issue.

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And that's in AA. Regardless of difficulty settings in AA you're facing very young and undeveloped pitchers, they're going to throw alot of meatballs. The problem is with the timing window and everything opened up you don't get those instances of just missing anymore. Lower user solid hits and user contact. Then after you just miss some of these you might choose to work the count more.

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[Levesque7]

That's in AAA

[Levesque7]

And even then, AA pitchers would be more likely to walk guys. They still would not throw meat every first pitch.

[dkrause1971]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Only thing is your "test" made things even worse by purposely taking every first pitch. I think dkrause just wanted guys to take note of the first pitch of every inning but while playing the game normally because the cpu will eventually catch on if u take every first pitch.

Also, i see guys posting/talking about the real life first pitch strike percentages as they translate to the game, etc. I don't anyone would consider this a "problem" if the strikes were a mixture of fastballs , curves, sliders, etc. The problem is that the pitch is almost always a fastball and that it catches a lot of the plate.

Bingo. Its a three part problem really.

First you know its the first pitch of the inning. Speaking Exhibition.

Second, its going to be the pitchers #1 pitch. Which you can often guess it might be anyway but in my testing it was just about every time. Once it wasn't.

Third, then you know its generally down the middle or close. This is the biggest problem as you have something to hammer now. This did vary a little.

I reported a bug report on it, if they change it, that's great if they don't then i'll see how it goes. Maybe it is on purpose like one person thought to spark offense.

[jcern23]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I have noticed that since I have switched to HoF and increased both discipline and vision, it only seems to happen the 1st ab of a game instead of 3-4 times. I know in the past, I would receive more walks once my disc and vis went up. Not sure if there is any correlation to the issue at hand tho

wow with the credibility of this game I am shocked by the fact that we have encountered such a monstrous bug that will crush realism in the best baseball sim on a console available. Thankful that nba2k is awesome and will last me til this nonsense gets fixed by scea which im confident it will but dang were looking at april right?

[PhillyWhat2011]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I'm new to the series and this seems like a pretty big issue. With that being said, how quickly are things like this patched or are they?

[AUTiger1]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Only thing is your "test" made things even worse by purposely taking every first pitch. I think dkrause just wanted guys to take note of the first pitch of every inning but while playing the game normally because the cpu will eventually catch on if u take every first pitch.

Also, i see guys posting/talking about the real life first pitch strike percentages as they translate to the game, etc. I don't anyone would consider this a "problem" if the strikes were a mixture of fastballs , curves, sliders, etc. The problem is that the pitch is almost always a fastball and that it catches a lot of the plate.

Well in the game that I didn't really pay attention to it I had 10 doubles, 5 homeruns and scored 19 runs with 23 hits and a lot of that damage came on first pitch fastballs that were right there for me to crush.

[dalger21]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I'm new to the series and this seems like a pretty big issue. With that being said, how quickly are things like this patched or are they?

Depending on how big the issue is, we generally will get a patch around opening day of the season. Some have come before and a few after....like in 09 when they had to patch the crashing to the XMB thing. Might not get a patch although we have had one through all iterations of the game.

[MLB Bob]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

I have posted a few times how to test this exhibition. A quick way is to only face the first pitch of the inning and then sim to the next inning. Keep track along the way. I have done this for many games now and its the pitchers #1 pitch, generally down the middle with the first pitch of the inning only.

I may be wrong but you are basically creating a RTTS sitation by simming to the first pitch in these other modes and why you might see it more as well. and people trying to catch it by watching cpu vs cpu games may not because you are watching every pitch of every AB. I didnt really notice it in other modes as I only played one game, but I think its related to simming and RTTS because there is no "pitch history" being recorded to give it a sense of what the AI should do, and on lower levels they tend to throw down the middle, and why people may not see it in exibition unless they play with minor leaguers. Or I could be wrong and the tin foil hat I wear is letting me down again

[nomo17k]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Honestly I think you guys are blowing the issue out of proportion... I played a few RTTS games on All-star and Legend and CPU pitchers pitch like they always have been in RTTS for the most part... (except the game got easier overall, so All star feels way easier this year...)

I took gameplay videos and probably upload them to YouTube... like I wrote earlier, difficulty levels are internally lowered down in minors in RTTS, so you are effectively playing at Rookie/Veteran, when your hitting difficulty is set at All-star/HoF. I played on Legend and CPU pitchers try to paint corners. And that's how things always have been for the most part past years.

[bobtrain]

Can I just be clear? I'm hitting on HOF in RTTS. First pitch strike each at bat 90% of time through my first 25 AB. I'm a take first pitch guy.

I don't buy it's because of difficulty. I can't raise the difficulty.

Also I don't buy it's because of adaptive AI. The next 25 AB I swung at every first pitch and I STILL get the fastball down the middle the same percentage - 90%.

I don't buy that its because of it being AA. Baseball stats show that the average Major League Baseball player will see first pitch strike 58% of the time.

[nomo17k]

Re: first pitch meatballs....bug?

Can I just be clear? I'm hitting on HOF in RTTS. First pitch strike each at bat 90% of time through my first 25 AB. I'm a take first pitch guy.

I don't buy it's because of difficulty. I can't raise the difficulty.

Also I don't buy it's because of adaptive AI. The next 25 AB I swung at every first pitch and I STILL get the fastball down the middle the same percentage - 90%.

I don't buy that its because of it being AA. Baseball stats show that the average Major League Baseball player will see first pitch strike 58% of the time.

I'm just trying to help out by giving out (what I believe is) reliable information, so that we (or even the devs) don't waste time on what could be non-issue. What I wrote earlier is something that could be found in past posts from the forum, and also something I heard/ask from/to the dev team at the CD event.