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  • EuroBoy
    Rookie
    • Oct 2010
    • 43

    #1

    15 pitch at bats

    What can I do to not have my pitcher throw 20+ pitches every inning?
    The cpu seem to foul of everything and take all pitches outside.
    My SP is usually exhausted after 5 innings.

    Thanx.
  • Blzer
    Resident film pundit
    • Mar 2004
    • 42532

    #2
    Re: 15 pitch at bats

    Originally posted by EuroBoy
    What can I do to not have my pitcher throw 20+ pitches every inning?
    The cpu seem to foul of everything and take all pitches outside.
    My SP is usually exhausted after 5 innings.

    Thanx.
    I sometimes have the same thing. I've lowered the CPU Foul Frequency slider to 0 for starters. See if that helps.
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    • 3fiddy
      Rookie
      • Apr 2012
      • 392

      #3
      Re: 15 pitch at bats

      I think I have it at 3 and had 1 ab where the CPU fouled off 8 pitches.
      I play MLB exclusively with my cousin. Usually looking for info on Franchises. We played minor league baseball as 9-10 YOs on the Zephyrs.

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      • buggs1a
        Rookie
        • Aug 2004
        • 246

        #4
        Re: 15 pitch at bats

        CPU foul slider does nothing. There's waaaaaaaaay too many fouls. Pitch counts way too high early because of this. This needs to be changed.

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        • thaSLAB
          [Player 1]
          • Feb 2008
          • 4495

          #5
          Re: 15 pitch at bats

          Throw a meatball.
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          • Bobhead
            Pro
            • Mar 2011
            • 4926

            #6
            Re: 15 pitch at bats

            I don't see any of these problems. Perhaps you are attempting too many strikeouts.

            I'm also curious to see how one would define "too may fouls" or "too many pitches per inning."

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            • bcruise
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2004
              • 23274

              #7
              Re: 15 pitch at bats

              Originally posted by Bobhead
              I don't see any of these problems. Perhaps you are attempting too many strikeouts.

              I'm also curious to see how one would define "too may fouls" or "too many pitches per inning."
              I'd be curious to see what the CPU's take % is on average for the people who have issues with this. It's supposed to be around 53% on average for each team in a normal game. (in-game strategy guide) If it's in the low 40's or something, you might be throwing too many strikes, either because of over-aggression or the pitching interface/difficulty being too easy to paint the corners with.

              And while we're on the subject, 18% should be the average foul percentage.
              Last edited by bcruise; 03-26-2013, 06:06 PM.

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              • Blzer
                Resident film pundit
                • Mar 2004
                • 42532

                #8
                Re: 15 pitch at bats

                Originally posted by Bobhead
                I don't see any of these problems. Perhaps you are attempting too many strikeouts.

                I'm also curious to see how one would define "too may fouls" or "too many pitches per inning."
                Lookie here at this post (the second game, not the first game with me pitching as Dickey):

                http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2044783720

                I have these affairs quite often, although I'm thinking I should be fouling the ball off more IMO. I think my pitch count was pretty good for an average game or what have you, but compared to the CPU, I think maybe I should have fared better?

                I'm only showing this game because I have a picture of it, but I have had worse discrepancies.
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                • RangersCruz
                  MVP
                  • May 2012
                  • 3275

                  #9
                  Re: 15 pitch at bats

                  I have the same problem sometimes i'll just throw it everything outside and they foul it off im using TNK's sliders i might try lowering the foul frequency or experiment with some new sliders

                  But some games i will just throw like 80-90 pitches the entire game so it depends on the lineup im facing
                  Last edited by RangersCruz; 03-26-2013, 09:20 PM.

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                  • pistolpete
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 1816

                    #10
                    Re: 15 pitch at bats

                    Fast forward pitching.

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                    • The Commish
                      Rookie
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 151

                      #11
                      Re: 15 pitch at bats

                      I have to say that I've had this issue before. However not to the extent that some are claiming. I'll run into a batter or two who will be a foul machine but most of the time I just miss on a through and walk the guy. Yeah it does get frustrating in the moment though.

                      If you do a mound visit it may boost your pitchers confidence and he may blow one by him.

                      Also next you can just increase your pitchers stamina a notch or two and this should take care of the extra pitches he has to throw because of this.

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                      • Bobhead
                        Pro
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 4926

                        #12
                        Re: 15 pitch at bats

                        Originally posted by Blzer
                        Lookie here at this post (the second game, not the first game with me pitching as Dickey):

                        http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2044783720

                        I have these affairs quite often, although I'm thinking I should be fouling the ball off more IMO. I think my pitch count was pretty good for an average game or what have you, but compared to the CPU, I think maybe I should have fared better?

                        I'm only showing this game because I have a picture of it, but I have had worse discrepancies.
                        Yeah your pitch count while pitching seems pretty healthy. The average is 145 pitches. You also gave up 5 runs (more hits = more PA = more pitches). So one could actually argue you should have seen more pitches, but that's only 6 pitches and only 1 game. That would be a very frivolous argument.

                        Based solely off that one game, the real discrepancy seems centered around you not seeing enough pitches, as a batter. Your strike percentages are perfect, but looking at the pitch chart picture... thing... I see what looks like 15 or so strikes, and only 2 foul balls.

                        Of course that only shows the last 25 pitches so who knows what happened in the other 110 or so.

                        As cited above, 27% of all strikes should be foul balls.

                        I played around with the rates given on the above page... The average game has about 25 fouls, and roughly 47-48% of all batted balls are foul. So for every 10 green and red dots, you should be seeing about 9 blue ones.

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                        If you want to see the math for yourself, or double check, you can continue reading, otherwise, there's nothing else related to the discussion below this line...

                        Source: All these numbers can be drawn from the first chart on the exact page linked above... for reference, teams played a total of 4860 games last year [A total of 2430 games took place]

                        - A total of 705,332 pitches were thrown last year.
                        - Baseball-Reference (BRef) cites that 46% of all pitches are swung at. That's 324,453 swings.
                        - BRef cites that 78% of swings result in contact. That's 253,073 batted balls.
                        - BRef also cites that 27% of all strikes are foul. 447,553 strikes were thrown last year, that's 120,839 foul balls.
                        - 120,839 foul balls / 253,073 batted balls = 47.75%

                        Of course all percentages are given without decimals, so you have a lot of rounding to account for, but I've run all these calculations for 2011 and 2010, and looked up previous years...the numbers are pretty consistent. Somewhere between 46% and 49% has been the average for quite some time.

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                        • SolidSnake07
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 546

                          #13
                          Re: 15 pitch at bats

                          I just raise my starters stamina slider up +1. Seems to work itself out.

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                          • JoeT
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 141

                            #14
                            Re: 15 pitch at bats

                            Originally posted by Bobhead
                            As cited above, 27% of all strikes should be foul balls...

                            ...I played around with the rates given on the above page... The average game has about 25 fouls, and roughly 47-48% of all batted balls are foul. So for every 10 green and red dots, you should be seeing about 9 blue ones...

                            ...Of course all percentages are given without decimals, so you have a lot of rounding to account for, but I've run all these calculations for 2011 and 2010, and looked up previous years...the numbers are pretty consistent. Somewhere between 46% and 49% has been the average for quite some time.
                            Thanks for this explanation, Bobhead. I had turned down the foul freq slider a couple of settings for two reasons. First, I didn't realize the foul ball rate was supposed to be as high as it is. The second, having to do with CPU Miss% being a little too low. I know there has been some back on forth with the devs on that, and in hindsight, this slider is probably not the one to touch to fix that.

                            I've since reset the foul freq slider back to the default(5), and while I've only played 3 games (yes, I know, ridiculously small sample size), the foul rates actually have looked good so far.

                            So just to clarify that I understand the numbers, when checking the postgame batter analysis and if I look at just 'SWING' outcomes, the numbers should be about 37% foul balls--which, again if I understand, is lower than the 48% number you mentioned because that actually applies to batted balls and does not account for missed swings. But doing it this way actually shows the foul ball rate as a percentage of all swings taken right there in the chart. Is this correct?

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